GDT: Roster Building XVIII: Trade Deadline Week!

[SlavinAway]

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Oh man. I didn't even remember that was my thread.

 

[DaveG]

We likely aren’t offering the right ones and Dubas hoping someone will or give him the right futures he can flip

I don't even know if it's that we're not offering the right ones as much as it is arguably trying to squeeze a bit more to see if Suzuki can become Ponomarev all of a sudden. Basically a game of chicken and at the first artificial deadline they set we didn't blink.

 

[Bub]

Nah, you need a few named Jeb, Cletus, Tex, and Bubba.

Plus a C.J., D.J., and Kenny (pronounced "Kinny").

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

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For once, I wasn't the one being an idiot like I was in the trade discussions back in the 2018 offseason. I didn't like sending a 1st to a Metro and had some concerns about not having a pick if Toronto's was top 10, but I liked the deal.

Skjei is worth a 1st IMO. In fact, probably a 1st +. I just don't like sending a 1st to a Metro team, but if it ends up being a mid-late 1st, that's a good deal IMO.

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Skjei-Pesce

that's a fantastic top four. I think they can figure out a way to make it work long term.

I don't think it is a desperation move. Canes were looking for a LHD BEFORE Hamilton got injured. Skjei fits what they are looking for and he's 25 and locked up to a reasonable deal for 4 more years. To me, a desperation deal would be trading for a rental defenseman.

 

[Lempo]

Never gonna happen add another million at least at minimum

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If that’s the case we are screwed lol

... did they add "probably" because it's Dubas?

 

[The Faulker 27]

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Hmm I had a completely reasonable take. I must have had Covid.

 

[DaveG]

Is it btw noon tomorrow or what time when the actual TDL is? I hope Canes make their moves today, my employer got us a strategy imposation meeting happenstance for tomorrow, and I don't trust I can keep up my "I am taking notes, sir" impression if staring at my phone the whole time.

either 3 or 4PM eastern usually I believe, though stuff still trickles in well after. I don't believe we knew the details of getting Erik Cole back years ago until well after 5PM.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

either 3 or 4PM eastern usually I believe, though stuff still trickles in well after. I don't believe we knew the details of getting Erik Cole back years ago until well after 5PM.

All trades must be completed by 3PM EST

 

[Blueline Bomber]

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I don't mind the deal on its own. It's a likely middle round first for a Top 4 defenseman. That's a good deal.

But it does worry me for the reasons already mentioned. We're now spending way too much on our defense, still have Svech and Dougie's contract to worry about, and this is yet another logjam for the defensive prospects we continue to acquire for whatever reason.

Hey, I didn't get burned for once!

 

[Lempo]

Hmm I had a completely reasonable take. I must have had Covid.

That is one beautiful avatar picture.

 

[moses malone 12]

We likely aren’t offering the right ones and Dubas hoping someone will or give him the right futures he can flip

just add a 1st and remove one of the lesser prospects. for f*ck's sake, get it done. Canes are primed to lose out on guentzel by sitting on their hands and watching vegas or the rangers outbid them. This is a pattern with this team. sort of stalking horse bidders. If canes don't complete the deal today, I fear another team will step up tomorrow.

Nut up and get the player Dundon. enough of your 3D chess strategy. Show the league, your fans and the roster that you are decisive and serious about contending. niskishin is not leaving so this is a no-lose deal IMO. 1st and some prospects.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

just add a 1st and remove one of the lesser prospects. for f*ck's sake, get it done. Canes are primed to lose out on guentzel by sitting on their hands and watching vegas or the rangers outbid them. This is a pattern with this team. sort of stalking horse bidders. If canes don't complete the deal today, I fear another team will step up tomorrow.

Nut up and get the player Dundon. enough of your 3D chess strategy. Show the league, your fans and the roster that you are decisive and serious about contending. niskishin is not leaving so this is a no-lose deal IMO. 1st and some prospects.

Dubas wants certain prospects that we don’t want to give up. Its a process.

 

[Chrispy]

If it's multiple first-round level prospects for Guentzel, that's what STL wants for Buchnevich.

Buchnevich has 191 points in 196 games (0.98 PPG) the past 3 years since moving to STL.
Guentzel has 209 points in 204 games (1.02 PPG) the past 3 years.

Buchnevich had 11 points in 12 games in his one playoff run in STL.

Guentzel's recent playoff history:

1 point in 4 games in 18-19
3 in 4 games in 19-20
2 in 6 games in 20-21
10 in 7 games in 21-22
No playoffs in 22-23.

He had great playoff series in 2017 and 2018. But as these numbers show, even a "great playoff performer" can have a bad series that helps send you home early.

 

[Svechhammer]

Oh man. I didn't even remember that was my thread.

This will seriously backfire if Toronto completely collapses and they get a top 10 pick in the lottery.

I mean I even followed it up to say even if they missed the lottery it could still hit big because of the deep draft, and then.... Boom, Jarvis

 

[DaveG]

Dubas wants certain prospects that we don’t want to give up. Its a process.

yep, as I said earlier, it's a game of chicken. He's trying to see if he can pry loose someone like Pono or Nadeau instead of say Suzuki as we get closer to Friday afternoon.

 

[ElmCityGuy]

Dubas wants certain prospects that we don’t want to give up. Its a process

From what I have gathered the Pens want Nikishin and the Canes have offered Morrow.

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[Nikishin Go Boom]

yep, as I said earlier, it's a game of chicken. He's trying to see if he can pry loose someone like Pono or Nadeau instead of say Suzuki as we get closer to Friday afternoon.

i think its more like he wants to shake out a NIkishin, Blake, Morrow, or Nadeau instead of Pono, Kiovunen or similar.

 

[Brock Anton]

Dubas is a f***ing nerd.

 

[Chrispy]

So, i'm easy. I won't cry if wlog. But if we're going to go big, go big.

In that spirit, i hope they've used the deadline to really gauge pesce's future. If he wants too much, plus no one wants tda, either offer him straight up for lindholm rental for rental or figure out what it takes to send him to the island for brock nelson. Hate to see him go, but at least it is close to his hometown.

Pair tda with skjei - they are good enough. Or slavin. Chatfield works with either orlov or burns. Sacrifice a little d to plug the giant 2c hole. Keeps tda on the powerplay the rest of the year.

Use whatever prospects/pick to get guentzal. Or figure out a package for buchnevich. If it takes drury, so be it - i'm good going to the playoffs with aho-(lindholm or nelson)-staal-kk down the middle.

If the islanders don't want pesce, figure out something around necas.

Use the remaining cap, if it exists to get duclair.

Any of that shit sticking to the wall?

If not, whatever. Gonna be a long 24+ hours...

This one has been rattling around in my head since I read it.

Necas for Nelson or something else from NYI is an absolute no.

But that Pesce for Lindholm idea? I...don't hate it. They would need to trade for another bottom pairing D as a #7 but that if Pesce is going to FA that would be a bold move to shore up the second line.

It also allows for the option of Morrow as a black ace this postseason if he doesn't go to PIT for Guentzel. And it sounds like PIT is looking for forward prospects more than defensive. I've seen more chatter about Morrow in a Buchnevich deal than in a Guentzel deal.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

From what I have gathered the Pens want Nikishin and the Canes have offered Morrow.

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Did you gather that by reading the same report we all did that said as much?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

i think its more like he wants to shake out a NIkishin, Blake, Morrow, or Nadeau instead of Pono, Kiovunen or similar.

Canes appear willing to deal Morrow if Guentzel extends. The hold-up is definitely that Dubas thinks he can pry Nikishin because we're a divisional rival.

 

[Svechhammer]

Canes appear willing to deal Morrow if Guentzel extends. The hold-up is definitely that Dubas thinks he can pry Nikishin because we're a divisional rival.

And he can get f***ed. If he's going to play that kind of hardball, go call up StLouis and use the same assets with a bit of a sweetener to get Buchnevich

 

[hockeynjune]

Nah, you need a few named Jeb, Cletus, Tex, and Bubba.

At least a J lo country tune on the radio

 

[Borsig]

Canes appear willing to deal Morrow if Guentzel extends. The hold-up is definitely that Dubas thinks he can pry Nikishin because we're a divisional rival.

He can't.

giving up Nikishin would be epically stupid.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Canes appear willing to deal Morrow if Guentzel extends. The hold-up is definitely that Dubas thinks he can pry Nikishin because we're a divisional rival.

outside of Seravalli personal opinion, nothing suggests he would re-sign.