Roster Building XVII: Some Of Us Like Some Parts Of Our Group

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Ottawa is going to want closer to a hockey trade than a futures deal. They are trying to win next season

It would be something like Necas, Pesce, + for Tkachuk and Chychrun. Thats if Tkachuk asked out, otherwise it wouldn’t make sense.

I don’t think Pesce would waive for Ottawa. I don’t think a Necas + for Tkachuk deal makes sense for ottawa. They would need to fill a serious need for them to consider such a move.

 

[AD Skinner]

Why would Ottawa even be thinking about moving him?

 

[bleedgreen]

I would think that won't be enough as I would easily give up the much for Tkachuk. A roster player like Necas or Jarvis will have to be included as well and that probably still isn't enough as there would be many times lining up for him if he was to come available.

Unless Brady has asked for a trade, I can't imagine Ottawa wanting to trade him. Like Whitney says, can't believe anyone would be that dumb.

He'd be a player I'd even give up Nikishin for.

Yup. You do that all day. We’ve always been missing a Tkachuk (like much of the league). Our skill forwards lack that element, and our bottom six where the grit is lacks the skill.

When we drafted Svech I said despite the skill difference I wanted Tkachuk and it was because of this. He was just talented enough to play with the skill guys but brought all the rest with him, and he really wants to win. Of course I was and am happy with Svech, and he does have some elements of that in his game but Tkachuks amplifier goes to 11. That’s the only forward where I’d consider sending Necas back, but would greatly prefer to watch them play together.

I’d package a couple of our best prospects with a first for either Tkachuk.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

Morrow nadeau 2024 1st enough?

I’d offer that for crouse too

This is an absolute insane overpay for Crouse. We are taking about the same Lawson Crouse I assume but I'm not so sure now.

 

[MinJaBen]

Are we trying to do what Florida did with the 2014 draft to the 2018 draft?

 

[spockBokk]

Total fantasy world - but I’d not hesitate at all to trade Necas + Nikishin ++ for Tkachuk + Chychrun. Never would happen, but fun to fantasize about.

Edit - in all seriousness, I bet the Canes are one of the teams rumored to be sniffing around Norris. Necas for Norris does make some sense, but then you have 1 too many centers. Chychrun, as has been said many times, makes a ton of sense too. But pulling off a Norris + Chychrun deal seems like a tall order for the deadline. However, hasn’t Staios publicly said they want experienced, 2-way guys? Teravainen might make a ton of sense for them if he was willing to extend there.

I suck at proposals but…

Norris + Chychrun for Necas + Teravainen (with extension) + Chatfield (clear a spot for Chychrun) + 1st?

Svechnikov-Aho-Jarvis
Bunting-Norris-???

Problem would be that would leave the Canes short a top 6 wing, so they’d have to make another trade on top. Guess that doesn’t work, which is evidence why I suck at proposals.

 

[User13452]

Guentzel will be a VGK or Oiler unless they both balk at the price and Dubas has to settle at the minute before the deadline.

Konecny isn’t going anywhere.

Keller will have to ask for a trade.

Morrow nadeau 2024 1st enough?

I’d offer that for crouse too

You are overvaluing crouse a ton.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Total fantasy world - but I’d not hesitate at all to trade Necas + Nikishin ++ for Tkachuk + Chychrun. Never would happen, but fun to fantasize about.

Edit - in all seriousness, I bet the Canes are one of the teams rumored to be sniffing around Norris. Necas for Norris does make some sense, but then you have 1 too many centers. Chychrun, as has been said many times, makes a ton of sense too. But pulling off a Norris + Chychrun deal seems like a tall order for the deadline. However, hasn’t Staios publicly said they want experienced, 2-way guys? Teravainen might make a ton of sense for them if he was willing to extend there.

I suck at proposals but…

Norris + Chychrun for Necas + Teravainen (with extension) + Chatfield (clear a spot for Chychrun) + 1st?

Svechnikov-Aho-Jarvis
Bunting-Norris-???

Problem would be that would leave the Canes short a top 6 wing, so they’d have to make another trade on top. Guess that doesn’t work, which is evidence why I suck at proposals.

we can’t trade for Norris without moving KK elsewhere. Also trading Necas for a hope Norris can recover from shoulder issues is an offseason move after Necas proclaims he wants out. Norris is a risk add. No need to trade a good forward for 2 risky players

 

[bleedgreen]

Side note, not that I am advocating for trading Nikishin. At all. He’s clearly part of our future regardless of what level you think he’ll actually attain.

I would just say I don’t think he’ll ever have more trade value than he does right now up to the time he comes over. He’s probably at his peak that way. He’s valued by some as the best defenseman not playing in the NHL and he’s near the top of prospects lists everywhere. Once he’s here that changes a bit. He’s flawless right now because there’s no way to know what aspects of his game will or won’t translate. When he’s playing here that could take a hit and you’re also playing the contract game. He’s currently a blank slate contract wise and he’s only gone upward in trajectory. This deadline to next deadline he’ll probably never be worth more in trade.

We need him of course, so it’s a good idea to keep him. Yet if we were ever going to consider it….

 

[chaz4hockey]

You are overvaluing crouse a ton.

Your fair trade would be????

 

[spockBokk]

Side note, not that I am advocating for trading Nikishin. At all. He’s clearly part of our future regardless of what level you think he’ll actually attain.

I would just say I don’t think he’ll ever have more trade value than he does right now up to the time he comes over. He’s probably at his peak that way. He’s valued by some as the best defenseman not playing in the NHL and he’s near the top of prospects lists everywhere. Once he’s here that changes a bit. He’s flawless right now because there’s no way to know what aspects of his game will or won’t translate. When he’s playing here that could take a hit and you’re also playing the contract game. He’s currently a blank slate contract wise and he’s only gone upward in trajectory. This deadline to next deadline he’ll probably never be worth more in trade.

We need him of course, so it’s a good idea to keep him. Yet if we were ever going to consider it….

Hindsight is 20/20 after Meier’s struggles in NJ, but I easily would have traded Nikishin + 1st for him last year.

They‘ve shown they can be creative replacing top 4 D - Bear and TDA for Hamilton, adding Burns, getting Skjei, Orlov, etc. I’m not too worried about Skjei and Pesce likely walking this summer. However, they have not yet been able to land a big fish up front. I’m not advocating them to trade Nikishin though, but one of these days, if they really wanot a difference maker up front, they’re going to have to pay up.

 

[Sigurd]

On Saturday Headlines, Friedman mentioned the Canes as a team that has expressed interest in Guentzel.

Yeah, kind of surprising. But if true, the only reasonable assumption is he wants to be on a legit cup contending team and is tired of Ottawa's struggles. My current list of forward targets at the deadline (likelihood aside):

-Brady Tkachuk
-Guentzel
-Buchnevich
-Zegras
-Laine
-Hertl


-Mantha; for a depth forward with some offense and grit for the right price, but we need a good top 6 forward more so than another depth forward.

I don't list Keller or Crouse because I don't think Arizona or either one of the players will want to be traded at the trade deadline. Maybe Keller gets fed up at some point in the future with Arizona, but I'm not getting my hopes up; some of us on the Canes board did with Elias Pettersson and look at how Vancouver has done a huge 180 this season.

 

[spockBokk]

Waddell on Sirius now - nothing really new, but one comment stuck out in the context of them talking to UFAs prior to the deadline seeing if extensions can get done, paraphrasing -“we know which guys will work with us w/i the salary cap and which ones will likely hit the market.”

Also, again paraphrasing - “we’ll have 4 goalies available in the next week, expect a move there” (which will likely add to their available cap space to use at deadline)

reiterated they are looking for depth and top6/9 F most likely.

He gets annoyed with the stringing along of discussions with trades. Just give the man an answer, yay or nay.

They want a righty C, none are available.

 

[Sigurd]

Waddell on Sirius now - nothing really new, but one comment stuck out in the context of them talking to UFAs prior to the deadline seeing if extensions can get done, paraphrasing -“we know which guys will work with us w/i the salary cap and which ones will likely hit the market.”

Also, again paraphrasing - “we’ll have 4 goalies available in the next week, expect a move there”

reiterated they are looking for depth and top6/9 F most likely.

He gets annoyed with the stringing along of discussions with trades. Just give the man an answer, yay or nay.

They want a righty C, none are available.

So, given those comments and no righty C being available:

Getting one of Guentzel/Buchnevich for the top 6 (since I think those are more likely than other names floated around here) AND Mantha for depth would be very likable IMO depending on the trade prices.

 

[User13452]

Waddell on Sirius now - nothing really new, but one comment stuck out in the context of them talking to UFAs prior to the deadline seeing if extensions can get done, paraphrasing -“we know which guys will work with us w/i the salary cap and which ones will likely hit the market.”

Also, again paraphrasing - “we’ll have 4 goalies available in the next week, expect a move there” (which will likely add to their available cap space to use at deadline)

reiterated they are looking for depth and top6/9 F most likely.

He gets annoyed with the stringing along of discussions with trades. Just give the man an answer, yay or nay.

They want a righty C, none are available.

My guess is TT will be willing to work with them on a deal. Pesce probably not and same with Skjei

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

My guess is TT will be willing to work with them on a deal. Pesce probably not and same with Skjei

I would add Chatfield and Noesen likely in the not working with category too. Both are depth players looking for their bag of money (rightfully). We won’t be able to afford expensive depth

 

[User13452]

I would add Chatfield and Noesen likely in the not working with category too. Both are depth players looking for their bag of money (rightfully). We won’t be able to afford expensive depth

I’m okay with letting a younger guy take Noesen’s spot his skating isn’t gonna keep up with his age.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I’m okay with letting a younger guy take Noesen’s spot his skating isn’t gonna keep up with his age.

Agree. At some point guys like Pono, Rees, Suzuki, etc.. need to get a chance.

 

[User13452]

Agree. At some point guys like Pono, Rees, Suzuki, etc.. need to get a chance.

Pono will be a full time NHL player next year for sure. I’d like to see Suzuki and Rees get a crack as well

 

[Chrispy]

Pono will be a full time NHL player next year for sure. I’d like to see Suzuki and Rees get a crack as well

And there’s FUS and Koivunen to contend with in camp as well.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Pono will be a full time NHL player next year for sure. I’d like to see Suzuki and Rees get a crack as well

Kinda feels like the ship has sailed on these guys, at least for Rees. He surely is done with our organization, I have to imagine.

Suzuki looked good in camp but is having a disappointing year with more injuries.

 

[Brock Anton]

If Tkachuk is truly able to be had (which I doubt), then I 100% throw Nikishin on the table. That's the type of player you did the "asset collecting" for IMO.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Friedman will probably debunk the Tkachuk thing as soon as tomorrow's podcast. It's illogical, particularly outside of a pure 1-for-1 hockey trade. And those don't happen often.

 

[Borsig]

I really want to keep skjei. Letting him sail whole keeping that absolute useless moron in Orlov will be a downright tragedy.

Skjei is the second best D man on this team and idgaf if you pay him orlov money for the next 6 at least he's worth it with the cap increasing.

I know that were going to end up with that lazy goofball and skjei is gonna walk and it already makes my blood boil. Watching him with that stupid slapper followed up with the lazy mid ice knee last night sealed it. And I'm not alone. Everyone in the lower end of 336 is sick of his shit and letting him hear it. Dude looked like an echl bum.

8 million dollars.

I'd like to keep noesen but whatever. Chatfield is only worth it if he's cheap. It would be nice to have him. Who's gonna babysit orlov's ass if he's gone. TDA would be a good keep if you kept skjei to babysit him.

Forward depth is available in droves. We need a 2c. Not more junk.

I feel REALLY uncomfortable with Slavin, Orlov and an aging out Burns as our signed D Men going in to next year. We're going to get absolutely lit up without nikishin (who's an ofd) skjei is a rare defensively responsible guy with streaks of scoring. You let him go and you're gonna regret it.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Friedman will probably debunk the Tkachuk thing as soon as tomorrow's podcast. It's illogical, particularly outside of a pure 1-for-1 hockey trade. And those don't happen often.

Maybe the Tkachuk family wants to play in the states?