Roster Building XVII: Some Of Us Like Some Parts Of Our Group

[chaz4hockey]

Necas + for Crouse?

Yes I’d give up a high draft pick or another player in addition to Necas.

Svetch and crouse would be a great set of skilled tough physical wingers

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Necas is a better player and considerably more skilled than Crouse.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Yes I’d give up a high draft pick or another player in addition to Necas.

Svetch and crouse would be a great set of skilled tough physical wingers

Yea the plus is on the wrong side. Then add another plus

 

[chaz4hockey]

Yea the plus is on the wrong side. Then add another plus

Perhaps but he has three more years at a reasonable cost. I see him as a possible 40 goal scorer on canes. Big skilled physical get more value in my book given the need in SC playoffs

Btw: I like Necas…spitballing.

 

[MinJaBen]

Necas is a better player and considerably more skilled than Crouse.

Necas is a different player with different skills. Maybe a better player if both are in their ideal situations. But I would bet Crouse would be the better player between the two if playing for Rod.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I get it. Better asset vs. better player. The rest of Crouse’s prime is locked in at a friendly number and he plays a premium style. Necas will get paid soon.

Whether the Canes can afford the tradeoff is a different conversation than valuation.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Necas is a different player with different skills. Maybe a better player if both are in their ideal situations. But I would bet Crouse would be the better player between the two if playing for Rod.

While different, I think Necas has a better overall skillset and think he'd be the better player regardless of situation. It's fine, we disagree.

I'm all for trying to acquire Crouse, as I do think he brings a different element like Chaz said which we could use. Necas brings a different element as well that very few can bring with his speed and ability to make plays at speed.

We all know how the Borg operates in terms of contracts though, so I could see a scenario in the off-season where if they don't want to pay Necas what he wants, they move him for a player like Crouse who is cheaper and under contract, so that's part of the value equation as well.

Edit: Kinda like the hanifin/lindholm trade, the Ned trade, the Foegele trade, the Bean trade, etc..

 

[raynman]

Maybe I’m out to lunch, actually I’m waiting to pick up my late breakfast, but I feel like trading Necas for a center would kinda be a lateral move? They def need a center at this point but then wouldn’t they also miss having a Necas type on the wing?

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Cory L predicts our bold move is Necas being traded for an impact forward

YEAH, BUT HE’S STUPID, so WHO CARES.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Necas acts like the center a lot on the ice. Those speed bursts are not coming from stop/starts; he’s not a straight line speed forechecker like Kreider. He’s reloading with the puck and attacking with speed constantly. In the defensive zone, with the man on man system, it’s hard to distinguish who’s playing what on any individual shift.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Necas acts like the center a lot on the ice. Those speed bursts are not coming from stop/starts; he’s not a straight line speed forechecker like Kreider. He’s reloading with the puck and attacking with speed constantly. In the defensive zone, with the man on man system, it’s hard to distinguish who’s playing what on any individual shift.

CORY L IS PLAYING THE ROLE OF A BUFFOON.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I don't see trading Necas until the offseason, if they even go that route. I guess maybe if one of those unicorn players comes available the next two weeks, but it's a risk to do that right now. We can revisit in the offseason based on contract demands and how he finishes the season. As much as I have loved his play when he's on and his skill set, I still have big doubts on the consistency and commiting to him long term.

 

[Chrispy]

I don't see trading Necas until the offseason, if they even go that route. I guess maybe if one of those unicorn players comes available the next two weeks, but it's a risk to do that right now. We can revisit in the offseason based on contract demands and how he finishes the season. As much as I have loved his play when he's on and his skill set, I still have big doubts on the consistency and commiting to him long term.

Agreed. The only scenario I can see Necas leaving for this deadline is if Forsberg tells Trotz he wants out.

And that’s not happening.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I'm basically of the camp that says that the Canes should pay for Necas. He provides a skill in our lineup that we need more, not less, of. I would personally only trade him if Keller or Forsberg are available, and yeah, I don't think that's happening. Maybe there's an argument for Weegar if he requests a trade, but yeah, outside of those kind of players, Necas should remain a Cane long-term.

 

[geehaad]

I haven't been all that impressed with Necas in the playoffs, so I'd want to give him one more shot at it. If he again plays at a level below what I'd expect of a $6-7M/year player, I'd want to move him in offseason for someone who might be able to get there.

He just seems to be way too pain-avoidant to will himself into the kinds of bruising encounters that you need to stick your nose into while in the playoffs. The guy needs to toughen up a bit.

 

[cptjeff]

Pre-injury reset I was 100% ready to trade Necas at the deadline, but after his resurgence I want to see him for the rest of the season and, crucially, how he performs in the playoffs before making a decision. We can re-sign him in the offseason (arbitration eligible this year IIRC), or we can trade him if we don't like what we see with him able to negotiate a contract with his destination and getting us a larger return. And we'll have plenty of time to manage that complex process.

If we can land a high end 2C, I consider it- but it can't just be an average 2C, it has to be somebody who could be a 1C on a non playoff team. Serious, credible center with term or willing to extend. And those don't grow on trees. Unless we can find that guy, make depth moves and try to figure something out in the offseason.

 

[SvechneJerk]

My hot take for today - Jarvis is being groomed to be our next 2C. Seems like he's doing quite a lot of work to just be decent at faceoffs & a good 2-way game for a winger.

Flame away.

 

[cptjeff]

My hot take for today - Jarvis is being groomed to be our next 2C. Seems like he's doing quite a lot of work to just be decent at faceoffs & a good 2-way game for a winger.

Flame away.

You ain't wrong.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

My hot take for today - Jarvis is being groomed to be our next 2C. Seems like he's doing quite a lot of work to just be decent at faceoffs & a good 2-way game for a winger.

Flame away.

That's potentially the case if his FO numbers improve. His size is a bit concerning to me in the middle of the ice, though it has worked in the past with Brayden Point, who started on the wing when he first came to the NHL and then transitioned to center.

Part of me really craves someone like Zegras in a 2C role, though. If he can learn to successfully play in Rod's system, just the thought of a ragingly-creative playmaker like him feeding pucks to Svech and Jarvis makes me drool.

 

[Chrispy]

That's potentially the case if his FO numbers improve. His size is a bit concerning to me in the middle of the ice, though it has worked in the past with Brayden Point, who started on the wing when he first came to the NHL and then transitioned to center.

Part of me really craves someone like Zegras in a 2C role, though. If he can learn to successfully play in Rod's system, just the thought of a ragingly-creative playmaker like him feeding pucks to Svech and Jarvis makes me drool.

I thought the same thing about size, but Jarvis is listed at 5'10 175 and has been bulking up.

Drury is listed at 5'11 174, Aho at 6'0 176. I don't feel like Drury is any larger than Jarvis but I'll need to look again tonight.

We think about Jordan and Kotkaniemi as larger centers, but Aho and Drury aren't.

 

[hblueridgegal]

I think Necas and RBA have a love hate relationship. As others have noted on social, it’s like RBA only reluctantly gives Necas his due. As much as I hate it, I think a mutual parting of ways might ultimately serve both best. They gave it a go as I like to say.

I have often felt that the Canes could benefit most from being a tad less so predictable. I think that Necas delivers that but ultimately, it is not welcome? Am I the only one that thinks the coach wants ultimate control? I know it’s not popular but I find him to be a bit close minded to new approaches? His direction and style of play has definitely delivered a certain level of success but is it enough to cross the finish line? Sorry but I am somewhat underwhelmed at times.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I think Necas and RBA have a love hate relationship. As others have noted on social, it’s like RBA only reluctantly gives Necas his due. As much as I hate it, I think a mutual parting of ways might ultimately serve both best. They gave it a go as I like to say.

I have often felt that the Canes could benefit most from being a tad less so predictable. I think that Necas delivers that but ultimately, it is not welcome? Am I the only one that thinks the coach wants ultimate control? I know it’s not popular but I find him to be a bit close minded to new approaches? His direction and style of play has definitely delivered a certain level of success but is it enough to cross the finish line? Sorry but I am somewhat underwhelmed at times.

that could be, but I think we need to be careful reading too much into post game comments.

For years, I felt that Rod praised Svech and Staal (and even TT) at the drop of the hat, but his praise for Aho was always less enthusiastic. It was more like (paraphrasing) "Well, he should be, he's our best player" or "He can still get better" or "he knows how he has to play to be considered a top player", etc..

Yet when Aho re-signed, he praised RBA. I'm not saying it's the same situation with Necas, but I saw a similar type of reluctant praise for Aho compared to Svech/Staal, etc...

In the end, I think it will come down to money, as most of these things do. Canes will have a value, Necas and his agent will have a value.

 

[CandyCanes]

Necas honestly seems like a prime offer sheet candidate. It’s going to be tough to find a long term number that works for him in Carolina. I think negotiations will be rough. Wouldn’t shock me for a team to value him high, give him a deal he really likes, and makes it a really hard decision for the Canes to accept the offer sheet.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Necas honestly seems like a prime offer sheet candidate. It’s going to be tough to find a long term number that works for him in Carolina. I think negotiations will be rough. Wouldn’t shock me for a team to value him high, give him a deal he really likes, and makes it a really hard decision for the Canes to accept the offer sheet.

There isn’t an offer sheet that will be offered we wouldn’t match. So I don’t see him as a risk at all

Jarvis as 2C >>>>>> Zegras as 2C.

Zegras is a winger playing a center on a team lacking centers.

 

[CandyCanes]

There isn’t an offer sheet that will be offered we wouldn’t match. So I don’t see him as a risk at all

Jarvis as 2C >>>>>> Zegras as 2C.

Zegras is a winger playing a center on a team lacking centers.

I could see a team doing high 7’s x 7 years, I think the FO would have a hard time thinking that’s a good deal to accept in our current cap structure. My guess is if the Canes FO thinks this scenario could happen, he gets traded before an offer sheet happens.