Roster Building XVII: Some Of Us Like Some Parts Of Our Group

[bleedgreen]

the team overall isn’t good at defense. Zegras is another level. It’s not all on Zegras but what is his play. No need for that here. He isn’t a center and we don’t need a 1 way only winger.

How do you know he isn’t a center? You’ve defined him so much as a player when he himself isn’t defined yet. They’re a young team and he has plenty of runway. I’m not convinced what you’re saying about him as a player is true. I’ve watched him, he’s a player. The circus show is just the surface. He’s got great vision and passing, great touch around the net and he’s passionate about playing. The rest can come when you have that much talent. You make it sound like he takes a knee to tie his laces when the puck goes the other way. It just isn’t true.

 

[htdoc]

If we could add Zegras without gutting the existing roster, I would be alllll over that…

yes he has a looot of growing to do in his game to be a complete player in the league. He has not been developed properly in Anaheim. He is not the only one that has been stunted or poorly developed on that team.

he can play. He has a level of skill and finish we dream of having and constantly complain about compared to some of our own roster players…. How many pages and pages and pages of posts on here are complaints about having a bunch of muckers that are good defensively but can’t finish worth a damn?

if the team sees something and think they can develop the player, he is the poster child for a distressed asset that we could potentially get for less than you expect… and getting young players like this is usually nearly impossible to do unless you send like players back…. Now there is no way i would do it for a Jarvis or a Necas because then it’s pointless…better to go with the devil you know even if he does have contract certainty versus having to negotiate new deals for those two players…

I see alll the warts and the poor development…. But if the team thinks they can rebuild him, I bet we get a highly motivated player to prove the ducks and league talking heads wrong and the ones who voted him overrated wrong…. It does put stress on us to sign bigger players in other roster spots as we will need more size to offset another smaller forward on the team to get the right balance of physicality given we already have quite a few more modest sized players with Aho, Jarvis, TT, and Necas is still pretty rail thin, etc etc…

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

The problem with Zegras is he's an electric young player. Anaheim will probably trade him for a king's ransom in futures to kickstart the rebuild.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

The problem with Zegras is he's an electric young player. Anaheim will probably trade him for a king's ransom in futures to kickstart the rebuild.

It's an open question as to how distressed an asset is Zegras considered to be around the league. Even if he requires a massive trade package, though, the Canes own that king's ransom in prospects and picks at a time when no contending teams anywhere else have anything close to that. In light of Pettersson likely staying in Vancouver long-term, Zegras is not a bad choice to win a potential bidding war for. If he pans out as a top-2 centerman (a big if, but has all of the playmaking skill to pull it off), Zegras could be yet another decade+ long fixture in the same way that Jarvis, (likely) Necas, and (likely) Nikishin are going to be for us.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

I just want an actual healthy goaltender COME PLAYOFF TIME.

 

[SvechneJerk]

If we could add Zegras without gutting the existing roster, I would be alllll over that…

yes he has a looot of growing to do in his game to be a complete player in the league. He has not been developed properly in Anaheim. He is not the only one that has been stunted or poorly developed on that team.

he can play. He has a level of skill and finish we dream of having and constantly complain about compared to some of our own roster players…. How many pages and pages and pages of posts on here are complaints about having a bunch of muckers that are good defensively but can’t finish worth a damn?

if the team sees something and think they can develop the player, he is the poster child for a distressed asset that we could potentially get for less than you expect… and getting young players like this is usually nearly impossible to do unless you send like players back…. Now there is no way i would do it for a Jarvis or a Necas because then it’s pointless…better to go with the devil you know even if he does have contract certainty versus having to negotiate new deals for those two players…

I see alll the warts and the poor development…. But if the team thinks they can rebuild him, I bet we get a highly motivated player to prove the ducks and league talking heads wrong and the ones who voted him overrated wrong…. It does put stress on us to sign bigger players in other roster spots as we will need more size to offset another smaller forward on the team to get the right balance of physicality given we already have quite a few more modest sized players with Aho, Jarvis, TT, and Necas is still pretty rail thin, etc etc…

If Zegras played for Montreal, no one here would be against stealing him away.

 

[spockBokk]

Isn’t Zegras out with a broken ankle?

Trading the assets it would take to get him while he’s coming off such an injury seems very risky. Before the ankle injury, I’d think he’d have been a prime target. Now, seems like an offseason move to me, if the Ducks are intent on trading him.

 

[robbieberns]

Like it or not Zegras is a project/long term not quite there yet guy. We already took a bet on a young center that hasn’t worked out as well as we’d hoped. I know we talk about long extended cup contending windows and being great every year by playing things smart but we are at the stage where we are here to win right here and now. Burns will turn 40 next March which will be the last year of his deal. There’s a good chance all of Skjei/Pesce/TT who are all on friendly enough deals are gone in the summer. Jarvis/Necas are due raises.

All of that being said it’s obvious what’s been missing in the playoffs the last X amount of years, and if we’re here to win you have to look at ready made playoff proven impact performers like Guentzel/Buchnevich to put us over the top. Last year you saw the likes of Noesen/Martinook step up in the post season so depth scoring isn’t an issue, we need another top piece to give us that additional game breaker in a tight game against the Panthers or Rangers.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

that is a good point. They just lost one option as Kochetkov has played 61 career games, which means he’s no longer waiver exempt.

Lemieux is the obvious #1 for a waiver candidate. Not sure if they would risk Martin right now, but I don’t see another option outside of moving a roster player.

I'm sure someone will need to go on IR, which I believe means they won't count towards the 23 man roster limit (but still counts toward the cap).

Zegras himself will likely need to be on IR until after the deadline. He was scheduled to be out 6-8 weeks from the Jan 11 injury.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Cory L predicts our bold move is Necas being traded for an impact forward

 

[SvechneJerk]

Cory L predicts our bold move is Necas being traded for an impact forward

About the only "impact forward" with term (that I can see) that might MAYBE available for trade that might be worth trading Necas for is Clayton Keller. Arizona would be dumb to trade him away, though.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

About the only "impact forward" with term (that I can see) that might MAYBE available for trade that might be worth trading Necas for is Clayton Keller. Arizona would be dumb to trade him away, though.

I don’t see trading necas for keller. They are close in comparison in scoring abilities. Keller’s O numbers will take a step back because of our system, even playing with better players.

Unless a contender is wanting to do a hockey trade to save space this year or something, there isn’t an obvious name on the non competitors worth moving Necas for

 

[spockBokk]

Still don’t see them trading Necas while he’s only making $3M, could see them trading him come summer, but hope they keep him.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Cory L predicts our bold move is Necas being traded for an impact forward

Given how he has played since coming back from injury and the dynamic way he is opening up the ice (ie yesterdays game) that would be a surprising move unless
A) a true superstar comes back (Keller is not it), ie he was rumored to be a piece in the tkachuk deal
B) they don’t think they can sign him to a LT deal.

His skating and play has been electric lately and Canes don’t have anyone who opens up the ice (btw most teams don’t have a guy with that speed) like that.

 

[Joe McGrath]

The only way trading Necas makes any sense is packaged with one of Drury & KK for a legit 2C who is more like a 1C. He’s too damn dynamic to trade for anything less than EXACTLY what they need.

 

[moses malone 12]

How do you know he isn’t a center? You’ve defined him so much as a player when he himself isn’t defined yet. They’re a young team and he has plenty of runway. I’m not convinced what you’re saying about him as a player is true. I’ve watched him, he’s a player. The circus show is just the surface. He’s got great vision and passing, great touch around the net and he’s passionate about playing. The rest can come when you have that much talent. You make it sound like he takes a knee to tie his laces when the puck goes the other way. It just isn’t true.

I think you are both accurate with your assessment on Zegras. there are red flags for sure. To me, the key question is as follows: Is he a player that will embrace RBA's style and culture? on ice talent is there for sure but is the commitment there?

This does feel like a Borg type move to me assuming price of trade is not outrageous.

 

[moses malone 12]

Not true. Rosters expand to unlimited players after the deadline.

thanks. problem solved. Get to work Tulsky.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The thing that might make sense to Carolina's management, is that it's VERY hard to acquire high end skill/talent. It's why the Canes were reportedly after Eichel and Tkachuk.

Now Zegras isn't in the same category and I'm not suggesting that. As others have mentioned, he also has his share of red flags as well, but his skill is undeniable so the Borg might see untapped potential as a risk worth taking. They made the same move with Kotkaniemi and while that hasn't really panned out yet, he's only 23 right now, so while he is a Finnish product, he's not a finished product.

Zegras may not end up panning out either, but it's a risk that the Canes management may be willing to take.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

At our current state, we should be out of the paying a ton for a red flagged player we hope pans out. The winger market is always plentiful. We took the chance on kk when the center market looked awful for a long time (and it has been).

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

At our current state, we should be out of the paying a ton for a red flagged player we hope pans out. The winger market is always plentiful. We took the chance on kk when the center market looked awful for a long time (and it has been).

I'm not saying I 100% agree with the rationale I outline, I'm just speculating that given how the Borg has operated in the past, I could see a reason why they might be interested.

 

[hblueridgegal]

If Zegras played for Montreal, no one here would be against stealing him away.

He and Necas are atop their summer wish list on this huge thread on Twitter - (mostly in French). Some of them were debating whether it would be wise to start a war with the Canes again.

 

[AD Skinner]

Necas himself is an impact forward. Who does Cory think is available that will both cost necas with little else and is also a significant upgrade on him?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Necas remains an interesting player, because he doesn’t fit the typical mold that Rod typically emphasizes with his system. He is a “50 ft player.”

However, I’ve noticed (and this was especially true last game) against opponents that play a similar style to the Canes (like Florida or Dallas), we’ve gone from the “dump and retrieve” zone entry to using speed to try and break through the opposing players stacking at the blue line. Necas, obviously, excels at that.

So I think Necas could be traded if we found an equal or higher “impact player” that more closely fits Rod’s usual system, but I think Necas’ recent scoring resurgence has made it so we’re more willing to keep him around.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Necas remains an interesting player, because he doesn’t fit the typical mold that Rod typically emphasizes with his system. He is a “50 ft player.”

However, I’ve noticed (and this was especially true last game) against opponents that play a similar style to the Canes (like Florida or Dallas), we’ve gone from the “dump and retrieve” zone entry to using speed to try and break through the opposing players stacking at the blue line. Necas, obviously, excels at that.

So I think Necas could be traded if we found an equal or higher “impact player” that more closely fits Rod’s usual system, but I think Necas’ recent scoring resurgence has made it so we’re more willing to keep him around.

Good point re: style. Florida has a much bigger team and our only counter is to play faster.

Btw: spitballing a player I would trade Necas + for: Lawson Crouse

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Good point re: style. Florida has a much bigger team and our only counter is to play faster.

Btw: spitballing a player I would trade Necas + for: Lawson Crouse

Necas + for Crouse?

That + with another plus is on the wrong side