Roster Building XVII: Some Of Us Like Some Parts Of Our Group

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TheReelChuckFletcher

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Pass on Zegras. That guy is an empty point scoring forward like Skinner. A non value add guy.

I don’t want to pay the price to find out that Rod can’t fix him either.

He's 22 freaking years old on an awful team. What matters is that the dude has the type of insane skills and God-given play-making brain that you can't teach. I bet you that Necas would've been that no-defense/empty calorie player if he wasn't brought up under the Brind'Amour system. Zegras is still young enough to adapt to the Canes. Give me the Lacrosse Brothers if the price is realistic. The league would be more fun for it.
 

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Wonder if they’d still consider moving a dman out for a forward. Ottawa could be a match as they’ve been said to be interested in Tanev and need to upgrade on defence. Would the canes deal chatfield in a hockey trade as TDA’s play recently has been good
 

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He's 22 freaking years old on an awful team. What matters is that the dude has the type of insane skills and God-given play-making brain that you can't teach. I bet you that Necas would've been that no-defense/empty calorie player if he wasn't brought up under the Brind'Amour system. Zegras is still young enough to adapt to the Canes. Give me the Lacrosse Brothers if the price is realistic. The league would be more fun for it.
22 or not the dude doesn’t care 1 iota about defense, playing a team game, etc. People grossly overrate him because the league continues to run his 2 highlights. He was voted the most overrated by the players for a reason. No im not just fixating on that vote either.

Zegras can’t play center. Just another pricey winger we have to babysit defensively (like necas).

Lacrosse brothers. Lol. Yea 3 plays.
 

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22 or not the dude doesn’t care 1 iota about defense, playing a team game, etc. People grossly overrate him because the league continues to run his 2 highlights. He was voted the most overrated by the players for a reason. No im not just fixating on that vote either.

I don't care about what he's like right now. He wouldn't be considered a trade possibility at such a young age if he didn't have all sorts of warts. I care about what he could be after playing with the Hurricanes for a while. I'm confident enough in our organization to mold young players the right way. Zegras has so much skill that IMO he is worth gambling on.
 

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I don't care about what he's like right now. He wouldn't be considered a trade possibility at such a young age if he didn't have all sorts of warts. I care about what he could be after playing with the Hurricanes for a while. I'm confident enough in our organization to mold young players the right way. Zegras has so much skill that IMO he is worth gambling on.
Yea, no. We are trying to win a cup. Not babysit young players who play the wrong way. 5 years ago, sure make it happen. Now? Nope, stay away from the team
 

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Wonder if they’d still consider moving a dman out for a forward. Ottawa could be a match as they’ve been said to be interested in Tanev and need to upgrade on defence. Would the canes deal chatfield in a hockey trade as TDA’s play recently has been good
We're not trading a roster defenseman unless we get another D man coming back. You need a spare guy you can trust as injury insurance. TDA has played quite well lately, which gives me more confidence in him playing that role than I had, but we don't really have anyone behind him.

Honestly, I think our deadline moves at this point are probably for a depth insurance defenseman and a high upside, high risk, low cost forward like Patches.
 

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We're not trading a roster defenseman unless we get another D man coming back. You need a spare guy you can trust as injury insurance. TDA has played quite well lately, which gives me more confidence in him playing that role than I had, but we don't really have anyone behind him.

Honestly, I think our deadline moves at this point are probably for a depth insurance defenseman and a high upside, high risk, low cost forward like Patches.
Yep, honestly wouldn't be shocked if we double dip with the Caps and do Edmundson and Patches at the deadline from them, then someone like Duclair from San Jose to add a bit more punch.
 

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We're not trading a roster defenseman unless we get another D man coming back. You need a spare guy you can trust as injury insurance. TDA has played quite well lately, which gives me more confidence in him playing that role than I had, but we don't really have anyone behind him.

Honestly, I think our deadline moves at this point are probably for a depth insurance defenseman and a high upside, high risk, low cost forward like Patches.

I'll say one of Brannstrom/Kylington and Pacioretty are our deadline pickups. If there's no surprise young player-with-term trade available (again, I'm personally watching Norris and Zegras closely), they may try to join in on the third-party retention circus and retain on a few deadline trades for picks.
 
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I don't care about what he's like right now. He wouldn't be considered a trade possibility at such a young age if he didn't have all sorts of warts. I care about what he could be after playing with the Hurricanes for a while. I'm confident enough in our organization to mold young players the right way. Zegras has so much skill that IMO he is worth gambling on.
Strikes me more as an off-season move so you have the full camp and season to see if he can learn what defense is.
 

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Strikes me more as an off-season move so you have the full camp and season to see if he can learn what defense is.

The Canes' forward lineup is basically set for the postseason. They can start him as a bench player until there's an injury, then can play him on the 4th line until he proves that he can get with our defensive program. Being on the 4th line for a loaded Cup contender is likely to be viewed far differently by both the player and agent than whatever is going on in Anaheim.
 

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Yep, honestly wouldn't be shocked if we double dip with the Caps and do Edmundson and Patches at the deadline from them, then someone like Duclair from San Jose to add a bit more punch.
like the strategy but how do we fit everyone in? roster players have to go the other way due to us carrying so many goalies. I believe the max roster stays at 23 post deadline.
 

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Friedman, on the Jeff Marek Show, made the point I’ve been making. Other contenders have clear cut needs. The Canes don’t really.

Set aside center, with what appears to be available. Goaltending has stabilized. There are good players on the margins at the wing and on defense. He mentioned Noesen and Chatfield specifically as guys the team likes. I’ll add Fast to it. They’re all players good enough to play those roles on a winner.

They’d get crucified for doing nothing of note, but there’s justification for it. Plus, keep the powder dry for Pettersson in the Summer.
 

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like the strategy but how do we fit everyone in? roster players have to go the other way due to us carrying so many goalies. I believe the max roster stays at 23 post deadline.
Have to have the room to absorb excess before the deadline. 4th line TT seems vulnerable to me but would have value somewhere else.
 

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Have to have the room to absorb excess before the deadline. 4th line TT seems vulnerable to me but would have value somewhere else.
that is a good point. They just lost one option as Kochetkov has played 61 career games, which means he’s no longer waiver exempt.

Lemieux is the obvious #1 for a waiver candidate. Not sure if they would risk Martin right now, but I don’t see another option outside of moving a roster player.
 
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We're not trading a roster defenseman unless we get another D man coming back. You need a spare guy you can trust as injury insurance. TDA has played quite well lately, which gives me more confidence in him playing that role than I had, but we don't really have anyone behind him.

Honestly, I think our deadline moves at this point are probably for a depth insurance defenseman and a high upside, high risk, low cost forward like Patches.
Could easily get another depth dman if they did it but I don’t think they will. Just saying if they are looking for hockey trades is makes some sense
 

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22 or not the dude doesn’t care 1 iota about defense, playing a team game, etc. People grossly overrate him because the league continues to run his 2 highlights. He was voted the most overrated by the players for a reason. No im not just fixating on that vote either.

Zegras can’t play center. Just another pricey winger we have to babysit defensively (like necas).

Lacrosse brothers. Lol. Yea 3 plays.
Puts up two 60 plus pt seasons as a 19-21 year old, but he’s grossly over rated with only two highlights.

Sure….that checks out.

He was a kid when he came in. He’s 22 now. Seems a bit premature to diminish everything he’s accomplished. He’s an intelligent guy, I think he can figure it out.
 

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Puts up two 60 plus pt seasons as a 19-21 year old, but he’s grossly over rated with only two highlights.

Sure….that checks out.

He was a kid when he came in. He’s 22 now. Seems a bit premature to diminish everything he’s accomplished. He’s an intelligent guy, I think he can figure it out.

I don't believe that Rod is some miracle-worker, however, I genuinely do think that players tend to prioritize the defensive side and the forechecking more when they play for the Canes, even guys who are less defensively-inclined like Bunting or TDA. I don't think Zegras would be different; actually, being 22 instead of a veteran UFA, I would expect him to be more malleable than a guy whose game is more set in its ways.
 

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I don't believe that Rod is some miracle-worker, however, I genuinely do think that players tend to prioritize the defensive side and the forechecking more when they play for the Canes, even guys who are less defensively-inclined like Bunting or TDA. I don't think Zegras would be different; actually, being 22 instead of a veteran UFA, I would expect him to be more malleable than a guy whose game is more set in its ways.
I think he’s way too smart to not get it. The Ducks had undoubtedly supported him being who he was the first couple of years. It puts fans in the seats. Now they’re trying to change up their style which may make Zegras available, and teams should absolutely give him a shot. I think he’s had a pretty rough wake up call. They went from celebrating him having fun on the ice to wanting him to be Rod in pretty much one season.
 

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Puts up two 60 plus pt seasons as a 19-21 year old, but he’s grossly over rated with only two highlights.

Sure….that checks out.

He was a kid when he came in. He’s 22 now. Seems a bit premature to diminish everything he’s accomplished. He’s an intelligent guy, I think he can figure it out.
Its cool that he sold out for offense to score and didn’t play defense or a structured game. That isn’t impressive.
 

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that is a good point. They just lost one option as Kochetkov has played 61 career games, which means he’s no longer waiver exempt.

Lemieux is the obvious #1 for a waiver candidate. Not sure if they would risk Martin right now, but I don’t see another option outside of moving a roster player.

Pyotr as a paper transaction can be sent down without going through waivers. Then once “past the deadline” brought “back up”.
 
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Nikishin Go Boom

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They all aren’t going to be Iginla. The team itself didn’t have structure or play good defense. Why is that all on Zegras? Do you watch them a lot?
the team overall isn’t good at defense. Zegras is another level. It’s not all on Zegras but what is his play. No need for that here. He isn’t a center and we don’t need a 1 way only winger.
 
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