Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVIII:

[Synergy27]

Can we get Anisimov and Avery back on the team, and then have Artie do the gun celebration at least twice every game, regardless of whether or not he scores? God, the smile on Avery’s face walking into the locker room after that incident is classic.

 

[egelband]

5-year deal would be the best of both worlds for ADA - enough long-term security and a chance for another big payday.

This sounds right to me as well. Though I suspect ADA might want to go four years. I’m good with either, frankly. So much can change. I want more than the one or even two years of roster stability but the super long deals usually backfire. Four-five years seems to be win-win. Also buys out a year or two of RFA.

 

[QJL]

DeAngelo just finished a season fifth in points for defensemen. If Chytil ever becomes that valuable we'd win like 15 Cups.

Does anyone prefer DeAngelo to these players offensively going forward?

Makar
Hughes
Dahlin
Carlson
Chabot
Fox

MAYBE one of the players at the top of that list hits $10m in 2022, especially after the lost revenue from this season. Get ready for a flat cap in 20-21.

I want to sign Chytil long term at 4m far more than DeAngelo at 6.5m. The makeup of this roster plays a big factor in that preference.

 

[Avery16]

Can we get Anisimov and Avery back on the team, and then have Artie do the gun celebration at least twice every game, regardless of whether or not he scores? God, the smile on Avery’s face walking into the locker room after that incident is classic.

you kid, but Ani and Avery would be good bottom six options today, if Ottawa retained on Ani and if we could get Avery to stop throwing rocks at cars.

 

[aufheben]

Does anyone prefer DeAngelo to these players offensively going forward?

Makar
Hughes
Dahlin
Carlson
Chabot
Fox

MAYBE one of the players at the top of that list hits $10m in 2022, especially after the lost revenue from this season. Get ready for a flat cap in 20-21.

I want to sign Chytil long term at 4m far more than DeAngelo at 6.5m. The makeup of this roster plays a big factor in that preference.

That’s...six players.

 

[QJL]

That’s...six players.

Yeah, and there aren’t going to be more than a handful of defenders paid $10m in 21-22. DeAngelo isn’t one of them.

I’m arguing he’s not going to be more than an $8.25m defenseman in 21-22. I’d project $7.5m long term then vs. $6.5m now.

This kid is a hell of a player but I’m playing the bridge. This is his peak.

 

[Barnaby]

Yeah, and there aren’t going to be more than a handful of defenders paid $10m in 21-22. DeAngelo isn’t one of them.

I’m arguing he’s not going to be more than an $8.25m defenseman in 21-22. I’d project $7.5m long term then vs. $6.5m now.

This kid is a hell of a player but I’m playing the bridge. This is his peak.

Best offensive defenseman this team has had since Leetch. Lock him up. Do what they did with McDonough. Successful franchises lock up their young guys early - and they pick the right guys. You might get him at 6 now. You could be looking at 8.5-9 in a couple of years. Why has he peaked? Maybe he has, but this was his breakout year. Kinda odd that you’re betting against him after the year he just had.

 

[Barnaby]

Does anyone prefer DeAngelo to these players offensively going forward?

Makar
Hughes
Dahlin
Carlson
Chabot
Fox

MAYBE one of the players at the top of that list hits $10m in 2022, especially after the lost revenue from this season. Get ready for a flat cap in 20-21.

I want to sign Chytil long term at 4m far more than DeAngelo at 6.5m. The makeup of this roster plays a big factor in that preference.

I like him better offensively than Chabot and right now he’s better offensively than Fox. Carlson isn’t exactly a young man so we’ll see how he ages. ADA is def a top 10 offensive defenseman in the league right now, and you might be able to make an argument that he’s top 5. Kind of bizarre that you don’t want to lock up ADA bc you don’t consider him in your top 6 offensive defensemen league wide going forward, but then want to lock up Chytil who hasn’t established himself as a 2nd line center yet. So is he even a top 60 center in the league? Don’t get me wrong - I think he’ll develop into a 2C but ADA has proven it. Chytil hasn’t.

 

[Barnaby]

I think they should lock up ADA but if they aren’t sure about him then I’d shop him before I bridge him. They could look for a C or LD. A winger is possible but I’d want a guy with a different skill set than what we have. I doubt Calgary is interested, but I wouldn’t mind an ADA/Buch for Tkachuk/Kylington type deal.

 

[Vitto79]

Why does it have to be d for d? Smith can move right side as one option, but that's not the point anyway. If Deangelo wants 6.5 to 7 mill over 7 years they will move him, it wont matter if Lundqvist is ready or not.

Fast should have been signed by now if he was resigning, it's not like 500 grand either way would be much of a swing for us.

Colorado would definately want Hank for one year, their goalies as you say are young, we would have to make it work for them.

Why would Colorado replace Grubauer and Frencour ? Not happening . Hank could go elsewhere but I’m thinking compliance buyout or retiring

DeAngelo deserves a big raise and it seems like he’s a popular guy in the dressing room ...they can keep the contract to 6

Smith is not very good let’s remember that . Ideally he’s traded

 

[NYR Viper]

How about they keep the young skilled RD long term? He changes the entire dynamic of this team offensively when he’s on the ice. Sign him long term if you can. 6 years would be great. I’d go to $6-$6.5m per season but I’m not sure it takes that.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Does anyone prefer DeAngelo to these players offensively going forward?

Makar
Hughes
Dahlin
Carlson
Chabot
Fox

MAYBE one of the players at the top of that list hits $10m in 2022, especially after the lost revenue from this season. Get ready for a flat cap in 20-21.

I want to sign Chytil long term at 4m far more than DeAngelo at 6.5m. The makeup of this roster plays a big factor in that preference.

1. That's six players.
2. Your question only makes sense if we have a chance to sign any of those on top of Fox.
3. DeAngelo is better than Chytil.

And before we hear the "He sucks defensively" argument... Possession players have more turnovers. Possession players positively impact your team. Possession is the most important thing in hockey.

Back to the players you listed:

John Carlson is 30. Pass
Makar and Hughes aren't better than DeAngelo defensively, at the moment
Dahlin isn't as good offensively as DeAngelo

Fox and Chabot are the only ones I would take over DeAngelo. And one of them we already have. The other won't be available.

 

[Ola]

How about they keep the young skilled RD long term? He changes the entire dynamic of this team offensively when he’s on the ice. Sign him long term if you can. 6 years would be great. I’d go to $6-$6.5m per season but I’m not sure it takes that.

I agree, could be a pretty good contract eventually.

I think keeping all three is practicable.

A few points that I think must be considered.

*They are different types. It’s not like anyone of them is like Shattenkirk that must get a certain role or be useless.

*Ds get hurt, depth is really important. Also in terms of longevity of these guys careers. Karlsson was a one man team, it takes a toll.

*I think the cap works. Let’s say the right side on defense cost us 21m long term. 25% of the cap for 15% of the roster. But I think it makes more sense to take away 15m for the goalies and 4th line and pocket change, and look at the player(‘s) share of the remaining 65 in relation to the top 15 skaters. They make up 20% of the top 15 and would get 31% of the cap.

BUT, I think it’s perfectly doable to have a cheap left side, 1 LD that gets paid a lot and 2 cheaper guys making a total of 3-4m.

I like Lindgren, but I also like the guys we have on the farm. Go through 4-5 cost controlled years of these guys and then ship them out like they did with Skjei. The math adds up.

*I think that Nils Lundkvist might replace Fox, nobody can replace Trouba or TDA on our farm.

I don’t want to trade Fox. Capitalize on Lundkvist through trade.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Does anyone prefer DeAngelo to these players offensively going forward?

Makar
Hughes
Dahlin
Carlson
Chabot
Fox

MAYBE one of the players at the top of that list hits $10m in 2022, especially after the lost revenue from this season. Get ready for a flat cap in 20-21.

I want to sign Chytil long term at 4m far more than DeAngelo at 6.5m. The makeup of this roster plays a big factor in that preference.

Offensively I have Makar as roughly equivalent and Dahlin/Hughes might get there. I don't think any of the others have the potential to get to his level. Carlson had an insane season but he just doesn't have the skill level of Makar/DeAngelo, so I'm (perhaps unfairly) writing it off as a fluke.

 

[Good Intentions]

I agree, could be a pretty good contract eventually.

I think keeping all three is practicable.

A few points that I think must be considered.

*They are different types. It’s not like anyone of them is like Shattenkirk that must get a certain role or be useless.

*Ds get hurt, depth is really important. Also in terms of longevity of these guys careers. Karlsson was a one man team, it takes a toll.

*I think the cap works. Let’s say the right side on defense cost us 21m long term. 25% of the cap for 15% of the roster. But I think it makes more sense to take away 15m for the goalies and 4th line and pocket change, and look at the player(‘s) share of the remaining 65 in relation to the top 15 skaters. They make up 20% of the top 15 and would get 31% of the cap.

BUT, I think it’s perfectly doable to have a cheap left side, 1 LD that gets paid a lot and 2 cheaper guys making a total of 3-4m.

I like Lindgren, but I also like the guys we have on the farm. Go through 4-5 cost controlled years of these guys and then ship them out like they did with Skjei. The math adds up.

*I think that Nils Lundkvist might replace Fox, nobody can replace Trouba or TDA on our farm.

I don’t want to trade Fox. Capitalize on Lundkvist through trade.

Fox is not going anywhere. DeAngelo is not going anywhere. Lundkvist is not going anywhere.

 

[Vitto79]

So are some of you guys gonna be pissed if the plan is going w Lindgren , Staal , 2 of Hajek , Rykov , Reunanen........

Let Miller , Robertson , Gross compete in camp

guessing Smith gets traded

I can’t see another LD coming in with expansion looming . Not even a stop gap

 

[GAGLine]

So are some of you guys gonna be pissed if the plan is going w Lindgren , Staal , 2 of Hajek , Rykov , Reunanen........

Let Miller , Robertson , Gross compete in camp

guessing Smith gets traded

I can’t see another LD coming in with expansion looming . Not even a stop gap

We have to expose someone. Neither Staal nor Smith are eligible because they are expiring contracts. Trouba, ADA and Lindgren will be protected. Fox is exempt.

That leaves Hajek as the only possibility. He needs to play 40 games next season to qualify. We'll likely bring someone in on a 2 year deal to ensure we have someone to expose. A guy like Andy Greene will only need to play 7 games next year to qualify.

 

[Avery16]

We have to expose someone. Neither Staal nor Smith are eligible because they are expiring contracts. Trouba, ADA and Lindgren will be protected. Fox is exempt.

That leaves Hajek as the only possibility. He needs to play 40 games next season to qualify. We'll likely bring someone in on a 2 year deal to ensure we have someone to expose. A guy like Andy Greene will only need to play 7 games next year to qualify.

You can sign someone insignificant to expose. It shouldn't be someone in your development pool.
That being said, we aren't currently able to protect Hajek, absent other deals. If we think that holds and we aren't protecting him, we should trade him ASAP, sign the insignificant player to expose.

 

[Avery16]

NHL really should re-open the trade deadline. These are unprecedented times. Teams will basically be starting off like they're returning from the off-season, except its to a 12-game precursor to the playoffs.

 

[Barnaby]

You can sign someone insignificant to expose. It shouldn't be someone in your development pool.
That being said, we aren't currently able to protect Hajek, absent other deals. If we think that holds and we aren't protecting him, we should trade him ASAP, sign the insignificant player to expose.

In a perfect world, you hang onto all of your young guys but they don’t have a spot for Hajek. Fox is exempt and then they have three spots: Lindgren, ADA, Trouba. I wouldn’t consider Hajek a huge loss at this point. He’s likely to get passed by guys like Miller and Robertson in short order.

 

[Avery16]

In a perfect world, you hang onto all of your young guys but they don’t have a spot for Hajek. Fox is exempt and then they have three spots: Lindgren, ADA, Trouba. I wouldn’t consider Hajek a huge loss at this point. He’s likely to get passed by guys like Miller and Robertson in short order.

But maybe we could get a 3rd or a 2nd for him as opposed to losing him for nothing.

 

[Barnaby]

But maybe we could get a 3rd or a 2nd for him as opposed to losing him for nothing.

I think you’re more likely talking about a 4th or 5th unless he can nail down a spot with the big club this year but sure, why not... unless you think he gets picked over someone you’d rather keep. Also, keep in mind whoever gets him has to protect him... how many teams don’t have 3 defensemen better than Hajek to protect?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Hajek will be better next year imo, I think Smith gets bumped off D by him. His biggest issue due to things he can work on, mainly strength. I think he has the tools to he good, I dont think I wanna dump him now.

 

[Avery16]

I think you’re more likely talking about a 4th or 5th unless he can nail down a spot with the big club this year but sure, why not... unless you think he gets picked over someone you’d rather keep. Also, keep in mind whoever gets him has to protect him... how many teams don’t have 3 defensemen better than Hajek to protect?

Fair points. I think those teams are out there, but certainly they are few. As it stands, we are likely to expose Gauthier, Andersson, Fast and Howden. Maybe thats where we lose a player.

 

[Kovalev27]

I can’t wait for the DeAngelo trade speculation to be over. Will be as soon as he’s signed it very easily may be some of the dumbest speculation I’ve seen on these boards. On what planet do you ever trade away a 24 year old righty Dman that is one of 3 in the entire league with 15 goals and 50 plus pts. Only Carlson and Josi are in that class. Absolutely idiotic.