Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVIII:

[motopanekeku]

Agree. I appreciate all the business arguments. And as you’re saying, we have no right to tell a guy how to run his business. But I also think that in a capitalist structure the rich have an obligation to be give back and step in to fill some of the social security roles. In fact, I’d prefer the rich were taxed less but more community-minded. There’s plenty of money to go around.
(Please don’t interpret this as some socialist fantasy wish. I’m for lower taxes... but with wealth and power should also come some added responsibility).

There are many wealthy individuals that are doing what they can at this time. Imposing requirements on them to provide for the less wealthy is, in fact, love it or hate it, Communism.

The problem is the echelon above the regulated masses, wealthy or not. Corporations and how they are woven into our government should be scrutinized and held responsible. But accountability has eluded the titans of industry for hundreds of years. Why change that? You will only stir the beast.

How about the timing of something so dangerous that large gatherings of people are prohibited? Just when large populist protests were becoming more and more common all over the world?

 

[Tawnos]

Ya it does...you tuck your tail and crawl back because you were wrong.....it's the actual meaning of the expression.

Right, but “forgetting about it” and coming in “with a good attitude” are not part of what you just said. You literally just described someone who hasn’t forgotten about it and doesn’t come in with a good attitude.

 

[East Coast Bias]

There are many wealthy individuals that are doing what they can at this time. Imposing requirements on them to provide for the less wealthy is, in fact, love it or hate it, Communism.

that is not remotely communism.

although thanks to 20 years of talk radio and cable news, the modern definition of communism is basically anyone I don’t like getting anything I don’t want them to. So I guess it is.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Agree. I appreciate all the business arguments. And as you’re saying, we have no right to tell a guy how to run his business. But I also think that in a capitalist structure the rich have an obligation to be give back and step in to fill some of the social security roles. In fact, I’d prefer the rich were taxed less but more community-minded. There’s plenty of money to go around.
(Please don’t interpret this as some socialist fantasy wish. I’m for lower taxes... but with wealth and power should also come some added responsibility).

Capitalism isn't the problem, but unchecked capitalism is.

The stories coming out about senators dumping stocks while continuing to reassure the public that there was not a major problem on our hands is a travesty. But they won't be held accountable in this climate. Would love to see the moves the Trump family and associates made in January/February.

 

[True Blue]

I really hope they don't rush K'Andre, I think he needs to atleast play in Hartford until the deadline atleast

I think that there is no chance that they rush him until he shows that he is ready

 

[True Blue]

that is not remotely communism.

although thanks to 20 years of talk radio and cable news, the modern definition of communism is basically anyone I don’t like getting anything I don’t want them to. So I guess it is.

It may not be pure communism, but it is certainly a form of socialism. As a a person who grew up under communism/socialism I maintain that only those who never lived in such a country can actually pine for it.

Bottom line, it is their money to do with as they please. Be it for greedy reasons or philanthropically ones. Once you start having edicts about what one person does with their own cash, it is not long until that trickles down. Funnily enough, the people that decide who gets redistributed what, somehow usually end up with a little bit more.

 

[True Blue]

Capitalism isn't the problem, but unchecked capitalism is.

There is no such thing as unchecked. There is either free market capitalism or there isn't. Harken to the Michael Douglas speech about greed. Capitalism has created more wealth, more jobs and more prosperity for more people than any other system.

The stories coming out about senators dumping stocks while continuing to reassure the public that there was not a major problem on our hands is a travesty. But they won't be held accountable in this climate.

Who cares about what they did with their portfolio? Virtually ANYONE who speaks about market fears or market strength has an agenda, driven by their own greed. Ichan making it public that he is going to short the commercial real estate market? What there is no agenda there to make such an announcement?

You are listening to stories about senators dumping their stocks? Where are these stories coming from? Who are the sources? Most financial advisers are telling people that unless they have to, not to sell. Why on Earth would you advise someone to dump stock when their porfolio took such a beating? Historically speaking, the stocks go back up.

And if they did advice to sell, you have no idea of what the particular persons cash situation is. How can you make judgement on that?

And lastly, in a time of such panic, shouldn't the government try to restore sanity by telling people to calm down?

Would love to see the moves the Trump family and associates made in January/February.

Again, who cares? Worry about what is in your own wallet and act accordingly.

 

[motopanekeku]

that is not remotely communism.

although thanks to 20 years of talk radio and cable news, the modern definition of communism is basically anyone I don’t like getting anything I don’t want them to. So I guess it is.

It is though. When private aquisitions go through a governing body and get reallocated to other members of the public we have a communistic social structure.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

There is no such thing as unchecked. There is either free market capitalism or there isn't. Harken to the Michael Douglas speech about greed. Capitalism has created more wealth, more jobs and more prosperity for more people than any other system.

Who cares about what they did with their portfolio? Virtually ANYONE who speaks about market fears or market strength has an agenda, driven by their own greed. Ichan making it public that he is going to short the commercial real estate market? What there is no agenda there to make such an announcement?

You are listening to stories about senators dumping their stocks? Where are these stories coming from? Who are the sources? Most financial advisers are telling people that unless they have to, not to sell. Why on Earth would you advise someone to dump stock when their porfolio took such a beating? Historically speaking, the stocks go back up.

And if they did advice to sell, you have no idea of what the particular persons cash situation is. How can you make judgement on that?

And lastly, in a time of such panic, shouldn't the government try to restore sanity by telling people to calm down?

Again, who cares? Worry about what is in your own wallet and act accordingly.

What a capitalist you are! Bravo.

So I assume you are against the incoming bailouts to big businesses like Boeing, etc, etc? You know, since you're such a staunch capitalist.

And my issue isn't what these Senators did with their stocks --- it's that they KNEW this was going to blow the f*** up months ago and did not inform the public. That's a dereliction of duty.

 

[East Coast Bias]

It is though. When private aquisitions go through a governing body and get reallocated to other members of the public we have a communistic social structure.

People were shaming owners here. They SHOULD pay their employees. Disagree if you want - whatever. You equating it to communism by somehow inserting the words "take" instead of "give" is the problem.

You made that leap, not the rest of us.

Being rich and being a good person aren't mutually exclusive. Being a scumbag and trying to hide behind some "rich man persecution" still makes someone a scumbag.

 

[True Blue]

What a capitalist you are! Bravo.

I make no bones about believing that capitalism is the worst system out there. Except for all the others.

So I assume you are against the incoming bailouts to big businesses like Boeing, etc, etc? You know, since you're such a staunch capitalist.

What does capitalism have to do with bailing a company out?

And my issue isn't what these Senators did with their stocks --- it's that they KNEW this was going to blow the f*** up months ago and did not inform the public. That's a dereliction of duty.

What in the name of anything are you talking about? NO ONE FRIGGIN" KNEW THE MARKETS WOULD GET ROUTED LIKE THIS!

Months ago? You mean months ago when the World Health Organization came out and said that the flu cannot be spread by human contact? Those months ago?

You have things happen in this market that happened in 8 days that back in 2008-20009 happened over a 6 month span. I am not trying to be insulting, but please do not show your utter lack of knowledge or ignorance on a subject you have no idea about. The friggin' British pound is back to a level that was last seen in 1982. Who in the name of anything could have known this months ago?

Dereliction of duty? What did you want the government to do? Make an announcement that it is time so panic and please everyone dump all of your investments in advance?

And again, you have no idea of how the markets work if you believe that this panic is all about the pa accounts of individual investors.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I make no bones about believing that capitalism is the worst system out there. Except for all the others.

What does capitalism have to do with bailing a company out?

What in the name of anything are you talking about? NO ONE FRIGGIN" KNEW THE MARKETS WOULD GET ROUTED LIKE THIS!

Months ago? You mean months ago when the World Health Organization came out and said that the flu cannot be spread by human contact? Those months ago?

You have things happen in this market that happened in 8 days that back in 2008-20009 happened over a 6 month span. I am not trying to be insulting, but please do not show your utter lack of knowledge or ignorance on a subject you have no idea about. The friggin' British pound is back to a level that was last seen in 1982. Who in the name of anything could have known this months ago?

Dereliction of duty? What did you want the government to do? Make an announcement that it is time so panic and please everyone dump all of your investments in advance?

And again, you have no idea of how the markets work if you believe that this panic is all about the pa accounts of individual investors.

I deal with your silly word salad when it comes to hockey, but I can't stand for it with this.

What does a bailout have to do with capitalism? Isn't it all about survival of the fittest? Letting the market decide winners and losers? Boeing has been a terrible company for years now. If you are going to push an incessant and rigid version of capitalism and support these, you are a hypocrite, period.

And enough with your lame and condescending bullshit about understanding markets. This whole issue is not about the markets. I could care less. It is about public health. The administration, the congress, the people who are supposed to be the first line of defense knew that this virus was a major major issue as early as January and they not only dithered, they fed the public bullshit that is was no big deal and would get better. Take your British pound and shove it. This is not what this situation is about. Show some god damn empathy.

 

[motopanekeku]

People were shaming owners here. They SHOULD pay their employees. Disagree if you want - whatever. You equating it to communism by somehow inserting the words "take" instead of "give" is the problem.

You made that leap, not the rest of us.

Being rich and being a good person aren't mutually exclusive. Being a scumbag and trying to hide behind some "rich man persecution" still makes someone a scumbag.

You're being reactionary and it's causing you to miss the point. I think you have been triggered by certain words and are pidgeonholeing me into a demographic to which I do not belong. There is no leap to be taken if the current crisis causes a general shift toward socialist or communist practices.

Having been laid off myself I do harbor some resentment to my employer for not wilfully providing more for his employees. However I would not wish for him to be forced to by the
government. There are many who would.

 

[East Coast Bias]

You're being reactionary and it's causing you to miss the point. I think you have been triggered by certain words and are pidgeonholeing me into a demographic to which I do not belong. There is no leap to be taken if the current crisis causes a general shift toward socialist or communist practices.

Having been laid off myself I do harbor some resentment to my employer for not wilfully providing more for his employees. However I would not wish for him to be forced to by the
government. There are many who would.

In light of the situation I'm not going to argue further. I'm sorry you've been laid off. I wish you the best. Sincerely. Hang in there.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Right, but “forgetting about it” and coming in “with a good attitude” are not part of what you just said. You literally just described someone who hasn’t forgotten about it and doesn’t come in with a good attitude.

Did I just literally do that? Where?

 

[True Blue]

I deal with your silly word salad when it comes to hockey, but I can't stand for it with this.

Feel free to sit.

What does a bailout have to do with capitalism? Isn't it all about survival of the fittest? Letting the market decide winners and losers? Boeing has been a terrible company for years now. If you are going to push an incessant and rigid version of capitalism and support these, you are a hypocrite, period.

It is not about survival of the fittest. It is about a free market economy. Withing such an economy, and in the name of a healthy economy, bailing out certain companies is inevitable. One of the bigger issues that occured back in 2008-2009 is allowing a Lehman to go under.

Apparently you have exactly zero point zero understanding of how a healthy economy is supposed to work.

And enough with your lame and condescending bullshit about understanding markets.

It is calling a spade a spade. When you make outlandish, completely ignorant comments about a subject that you have no idea about and then act like it is dogma, yes, I will call you out.

This whole issue is not about the markets. I could care less. It is about public health

Then why claim that Trump has spooked the market, claim that government officials are dumping stocks and sneer about wanting to see what the Trump family did with their investments? What does that have to do with public health?

The administration, the congress, the people who are supposed to be the first line of defense knew that this virus was a major major issue as early as January and they not only dithered, they fed the public bullshit that is was no big deal and would get better.

January as in when the World Health Organization made a public statement that the virus does not spread by human contact? That January? Do you consider that organization to be a part of the administration?

Take your British pound and shove it. This is not what this situation is about.

I agree. You are the one who wants to bring the markets into it. When you do, I will point out items that I see from my perch.

Show some god damn empathy.

Where have I not?

 

[H00fHearted]

I think that there is no chance that they rush him until he shows that he is ready

Thank you. It's nice to see a post about hockey in the Roster Building Thread.

 

[True Blue]

Thank you. It's nice to see a post about hockey in the Roster Building Thread.

Agreed. I let myself get dragged into a debate that clearly belongs elsewhere.

 

[LORDE]

Sirius XM about to give GM grade to Gorton (they just did the Devs and now doing Isles)

 

[RangersFan1994]

Sirius XM about to give GM grade to Gorton (they just did the Devs and now doing Isles)

please post it when you can and a audio clip if you can, some people like myself still have to be at work right now

 

[LORDE]

please post it when you can and a audio clip if you can, some people like myself still have to be at work right now

I'm not sure exactly how to do this and I'm working from home right now also but I'll do my best.

If anyone has any info on the best way to do this please let me know.

 

[LORDE]

The basic gist from XM GM grade was:

Bad: Andersson (the pick and the situation)
Hank where does it go?
Expensive team with RFAs to sign

A ton of good tho:
Panarin
Trouba
Fox
Shesty
The defense as a whole is being shored up
Big increase in scoring
Skjei deal which gives them ANOTHER 1st
They're a fun team to watch
They're set up to be contenders as soon as next yr

Gorton would get a "terrific grade" right now

(Again I'd do more but have a call like right now for work)

 

[n8]

What is all this talk about Communism in the roster building thread? Are we talking about the Seattle expansion draft?

 

[Boris Zubov]

There is no such thing as unchecked. There is either free market capitalism or there isn't. Harken to the Michael Douglas speech about greed. Capitalism has created more wealth, more jobs and more prosperity for more people than any other system.

Who cares about what they did with their portfolio? Virtually ANYONE who speaks about market fears or market strength has an agenda, driven by their own greed. Ichan making it public that he is going to short the commercial real estate market? What there is no agenda there to make such an announcement?

You are listening to stories about senators dumping their stocks? Where are these stories coming from? Who are the sources? Most financial advisers are telling people that unless they have to, not to sell. Why on Earth would you advise someone to dump stock when their porfolio took such a beating? Historically speaking, the stocks go back up.

And if they did advice to sell, you have no idea of what the particular persons cash situation is. How can you make judgement on that?

And lastly, in a time of such panic, shouldn't the government try to restore sanity by telling people to calm down?

Again, who cares? Worry about what is in your own wallet and act accordingly.

I don't disagree with much of what you post when it's factual, but you seem to have zero empathy or complete lack of a moral compass. Good for you if all you see are numbers on a ledger. Most of us don't/can't live that way, which is why we'll never be anything more than middle class.

 

[True Blue]

I don't disagree with much of what you post when it's factual, but you seem to have zero empathy or complete lack of a moral compass. Good for you if all you see are numbers on a ledger. Most of us don't/can't live that way, which is why we'll never be anything more than middle class.

I am not really sure where the belief that I do not have any empathy comes from. My debate was with a person who seemed to be implying certain things and making statements regarding the market that are not at all true.

We are all virtually in middle class. Myself included. But being in middle class has nothing to do with making hysterical accusations without a) knowing all of the information first and b) making accusations which in some cases have absolutely no grounding.

I also do not spend a lot of time looking at what other people are doing or selling. I have enough of my own worries.