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1. You are presuming that Quinn believes that he did not give him a chance. The opposite is true. Quinn clearly did not think that he earned a larger role.

2. Neither you nor I are the coach or his advisers to be in position to advise Quinn to respond quicker. Chances are he believes that he responded just fine whereas Andersson did not.

3. As for medical issues, if Andersson got hurt and did not divulge it at all, how can the coaching staff be more attentive?

You really see a coach, any coach being this way? From what we understand, Quinn is an excellent communicator and not one of his player does not receive his message loud and clear.

Pretty sure I remember Kravtsov saying that Quinn had nothing but praise for him, but he was sent down anyway. And Quinn's outright said he gives certain players a longer leash because he thinks they have "good intentions". Meanwhile Lias never seemed to get out of Quinn's doghouse, no matter how well he played.

Just saying that arguably the most important factor here is Andersson's confidence in the team to not screw him over, because it's crystal clear he believes there were issues this season. If he's confident in the team, coach, etc. he's likely going to stay and do his best to kick ass. If he's not confident that he'll be given a fair chance, then he has no reason to help the team.

And the easiest way to help restore some of that confidence is for him & Quinn to talk about things man-to-man to sort things out.
 
I dont see any resolution that works for everyone unless Anderson tucks his tail and plays for us. We arent getting 1st round value out of him at this point and Gorton isn't going to give him away. The only deal that made any sense that I saw was the Puijujarvi deal but Edmonton wasnt willing to make it, they really should make that deal, both teams should fair well in it.
 
The fact these people cant find some cash under their couch cushions to soften the blow for their employees whose livelihood is shattered by this delay in working is immoral.
Not anymore immoral than believing that you know how a particular person should be spending their own cash.
 
Pretty sure I remember Kravtsov saying that Quinn had nothing but praise for him, but he was sent down anyway. And Quinn's outright said he gives certain players a longer leash because he thinks they have "good intentions". Meanwhile Lias never seemed to get out of Quinn's doghouse, no matter how well he played.
What does Kravstov have to do with this? And why can one not praise and still send down if he has not outplayed the competition?
Just saying that arguably the most important factor here is Andersson's confidence in the team to not screw him over, because it's crystal clear he believes there were issues this season. If he's confident in the team, coach, etc. he's likely going to stay and do his best to kick ass. If he's not confident that he'll be given a fair chance, then he has no reason to help the team.
Then he can stay home and not play in the NHL. The issue here is that you believe that Quinn screwed him and should fess up. Whereas Quinn believes no such thing.
And the easiest way to help restore some of that confidence is for him & Quinn to talk about things man-to-man to sort things out.
Again, by all reports, Quinn is a pretty clear communicator.

Lias also has to take responsibility for taking his ball and running home. That was NOT the way to handle ANYTHING.

Look I also wanted Andersson to get a different shot, but he went to the AHL pouted and didn't produce. Then ran away home. He can take a long look at himself in the mirror and see other notables like Chytil and what he did in Hartford and what happened to him.
 
I dont see any resolution that works for everyone unless Anderson tucks his tail and plays for us. We arent getting 1st round value out of him at this point and Gorton isn't going to give him away. The only deal that made any sense that I saw was the Puijujarvi deal but Edmonton wasnt willing to make it, they really should make that deal, both teams should fair well in it.

You call it "tucking his tail" but if that's his attitude, the team isn't going to want him.

If he comes back, it will be because he owns up to his own part in what happened this season. For all the possible issues with Quinn, and I'm not saying those issues might not have existed, the person most at fault here is Lias. And that's ok, so long as he takes responsibility for himself and is willing to move on. Which is, you know, part of being an adult anyway. It's a two-way street, for sure. Not absolving Quinn of taking responsibility himself. But if this is going to work, both sides need to do so... including Lias. "Tucking his tail" isn't going to work.
 
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What does Kravstov have to do with this? And why can one not praise and still send down if he has not outplayed the competition?

Then he can stay home and not play in the NHL. The issue here is that you believe that Quinn screwed him and should fess up. Whereas Quinn believes no such thing.

Again, by all reports, Quinn is a pretty clear communicator.

Lias also has to take responsibility for taking his ball and running home. That was NOT the way to handle ANYTHING.

Look I also wanted Andersson to get a different shot, but he went to the AHL pouted and didn't produce. Then ran away home. He can take a long look at himself in the mirror and see other notables like Chytil and what he did in Hartford and what happened to him.

"What does Kravtsov have to do with this?"

Just another example of poor communication. If all you do is praise someone, and then have them sent down anyway (because that is absolutely just as much on Quinn as coach than on Gorton as GM), they're gonna be confused. So clearly, while Quinn usually is a good communicator, there are times when he's not.

I also disagree with your assertion of "taking his ball and running home" not being the right decision, because I don't feel there's strong enough evidence to support that at the moment, not til Lias' full story comes out. If he didn't tell the org about a foot problem, then yeah, bad on him. If he did, and they denied/ignored it and made him keep playing, then I think it's the right call.


You call it "tucking his tail" but if that's his attitude, the team isn't going to want him.

If he comes back, it will be because he owns up to his own part in what happened this season. For all the possible issues with Quinn, and I'm not saying those issues might not have existed, the person most at fault here is Lias. And that's ok, so long as he takes responsibility for himself and is willing to move on. Which is, you know, part of being an adult anyway. It's a two-way street, for sure. Not absolving Quinn of taking responsibility himself. But if this is going to work, both sides need to do so... including Lias. "Tucking his tail" isn't going to work.

This has been the point i've been (badly) attempting to make the whole time.
 
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Since the hockey talks dead, I decided to finally cave and create an account. Been a lurker for a long time. Have some beans to spill but I’m not sure if I’m allowed to?
 
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Since the hockey talks dead, I decided to finally cave and create an account. Been a lurker for a long time. Have some beans to spill but I’m not sure if I’m allowed to?
You will need to PM the mods first for verification and whatnot if you are an #insiderrrrrrrr
 
You will need to PM the mods first for verification and whatnot if you are an #insiderrrrrrrr
Not an insider but I know someone who knows someone (seriously.) Not sure who to PM but these aren’t huge nuggets, a lot of it is public info but there are things I wanted to confirm for you guys as well as the Rangers current/past draft targets since everyone is so bored. Just wasnt sure if I can start dropping things right away or not
 
Not an insider but I know someone who knows someone (seriously.) Not sure who to PM but these aren’t huge nuggets, a lot of it is public info but there are things I wanted to confirm for you guys as well as the Rangers current/past draft targets since everyone is so bored. Just wasnt sure if I can start dropping things right away or not
Yeah that's all chill.

It would still be good to PM one the mods (names in blue or purple) first. @aufheben @Killem Dafoe @Gardner McKay @Kakko @Fugazy @Krams
 
Not an insider but I know someone who knows someone (seriously.) Not sure who to PM but these aren’t huge nuggets, a lot of it is public info but there are things I wanted to confirm for you guys as well as the Rangers current/past draft targets since everyone is so bored. Just wasnt sure if I can start dropping things right away or not
spill the beans already! :nod:
 
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Not an insider but I know someone who knows someone (seriously.) Not sure who to PM but these aren’t huge nuggets, a lot of it is public info but there are things I wanted to confirm for you guys as well as the Rangers current/past draft targets since everyone is so bored. Just wasnt sure if I can start dropping things right away or not
Drop us some bombs
 
You call it "tucking his tail" but if that's his attitude, the team isn't going to want him.

If he comes back, it will be because he owns up to his own part in what happened this season. For all the possible issues with Quinn, and I'm not saying those issues might not have existed, the person most at fault here is Lias. And that's ok, so long as he takes responsibility for himself and is willing to move on. Which is, you know, part of being an adult anyway. It's a two-way street, for sure. Not absolving Quinn of taking responsibility himself. But if this is going to work, both sides need to do so... including Lias. "Tucking his tail" isn't going to work.

Tucking his tail means he has to forget about what happened come back with a good attitude and prove he belongs. Why wouldnt that work?
 
This is prooooooobably a language issue.

not necessarily...these don't have to be exclusive things. you can very much praise what a guy is doing and his effort and still realize he isn't ready for a top 6 spot and would benefit more from time in the ahl.
 
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I PM’d a mod a while ago. Since I’m bored here’s all my thoughts and rumors I scooped recently. Would prefer if no one likes the post or referenced it on the main boards, I just want this for HFNYR. Debated posting on reddit but I’m afraid it’d get big. Most of this is me rambling about the system and includes a lot of my own opinion. Take it seriously or not, better than anything that’s being talked about on here. I’ve had these confirmed though but a lot of it is public knowledge, just very hidden. I’m also clearly not the best writer, a lot is jumbled



Rangers have been looking for a bigger middle 6 guy with a heavy shot for a while. We were after Puljujarvi for a while but EDM didn’t like Lias’ progression. Funny enough, Holland was prepared to take Lias at 9th overall when he was with Detroit. I was happy with the pick and I still somewhat believe it him to be a good 3rd liner. Proven leader by all accounts and he wasn’t given a fair shake here. Since Pulju didn’t work out, Rangers looked at Flyers prospect Isaac Ratcliffe for a long time. Not sure why they didn’t pull the trigger on him, I like him a lot myself and think he can be a 15-20 goal bottom 6er. Rangers checked in on Julien Gauthier late, not sure who initiated contact about this trade but I believe the Rangers did. Fantastic trade by Gorts. They’re done looking at Pulju. I don’t think the Rangers are done looking at Ratcliffe, but I’m not sure where he fits going forward. Regarding Andersson, he’ll likely back. I cannot comment on what happened to either him or Kravtsov because I do not know. Whole thing is very under wraps (nothing illegal or even as bad as it seems.) My guess is that they didn’t appreciate the locker room antics in Hartford. There’s a very good chance our first pick this year will be a defender. Two guys they love are Jake Sanderson and Emil Andrae. No idea what they plan on doing with the 2nd pick but I think they’re looking to move it. Skjei trade was very, very smart by Gorton and perfect timing. If he waited til the draft to move Skjei I very much doubt he’d have gotten that 1st rounder. Carolina was desperate at the TDL because their team “felt off” the entire year. I think they made too many shakeup moves and if the season went on they’d probably either miss the playoffs or get bounced early. Different from when CBJ went all in, though Canes didn’t go to their extent.

Rangers also scouting Calgary heavily the past two years, iirc they’ve been the team we scouted the most. We looked into Hanifin but the asking price wasn’t worth it. Good thing we never went after him because that would’ve been Skjei 2.0. Remember the TJ Brodie for Kreider rumor last year? That was false, but Hayes and Kreider we’re both linked heavily to them. I think both would’ve been good fits for Calgary. Speaking of Calgary, I know some have speculated about Johnny/Mony. Sense is that if the Flames were bounced in the 1st this year there would’ve been a shakeup trade, not as big as the Lindholm/Hamilton/Hanifin/Fox trade though. though it likely wouldn’t have involved either. If the Flames struggle next year though, I’d be VERY surprised if they kept both. Johnny is an east coast boy and there is pretty much a 0% chance either him or Tkachuk stay in Calgary the rest of their careers. Both will end up in prominent American markets, Johnny will end up in the metro eventually. Kylington+ was on the table for either Kreider or Hayes. Rangers turned it down. (Good move.)

The McDonagh/Miller trade WAS two separate trades. I think it was 1st+Howden+Hajek for McDonagh and 2nd+Namestnikov for Miller. Rangers wanted Miller gone due to his lazy play and attitude. I’m pretty surprised at his success in Vancouver and how he’s been called a leader there. Don’t expect his production to remain the same.

Howden is available, they’re not actively looking to trade him because there’s no one to replace him yet but he could be moved in a package. He’s better than HFNYR give him credit for

Don’t expect Buch to be here longer than his contract. I’d put the chances of Buch staying at like 10-20%.

Just because we traded Skjei does not mean we’re keeping DeAngelo, but I really hope we do. AFAIK, Rangers are still unsure what to do with the RHD situation. Trouba hasn’t had a great year but hasn’t been as bad as people think. Gorton is a more stone cold GM, doesn’t seem that way, but definitely is. He’ll trade Trouba if he thinks it’s the best move, even if he just signed. At the same time though, management loves Trouba and so do I. Great defenseman with an element we don’t have. Much, much better than Pionk. Still a great trade today. I’m honestly a fan of the 3 RHD defense, with each getting a partner that fits them. Having one of Trouba/Fox/Tony on the ice for the entire game is great. May not be great now but will be very soon. Each has different qualities that don’t make each other redundant. As soon as next year, all 3 will be top pair quality assuming Tony and Fox naturally progress even a bit. Staal has been legitimately good this year at defending. Still makes positional mistakes but has been excellent with his stick work. Lindgren is a stud. Hajek is a question mark. Rykov has struggled. Reunanen is interesting but I’m not too high on him anymore. Robertson doesn’t have much upside. Rangers will eventually make a move for a big time LHD. Miller has Skjei-like qualities that scare me. But two things Miller has over Skjei; his shot and his rawness.

here’s a few for now. Will be back around the draft to update if I can
 
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I PM’d a mod a while ago. Since I’m bored here’s all my thoughts and rumors I scooped recently. Would prefer if no one likes the post or referenced it on the main boards, I just want this for HFNYR. Debated posting on reddit but I’m afraid it’d get big. Most of this is me rambling about the system and includes a lot of my own opinion. Take it seriously or not, better than anything that’s being talked about on here. I’ve had these confirmed though but a lot of it is public knowledge, just very hidden. I’m also clearly not the best writer, a lot is jumbled



Rangers have been looking for a bigger middle 6 guy with a heavy shot for a while. We were after Puljujarvi for a while but EDM didn’t like Lias’ progression. Funny enough, Holland was prepared to take Lias at 9th overall when he was with Detroit. I was happy with the pick and I still somewhat believe it him to be a good 3rd liner. Proven leader by all accounts and he wasn’t given a fair shake here. Since Pulju didn’t work out, Rangers looked at Flyers prospect Isaac Ratcliffe for a long time. Not sure why they didn’t pull the trigger on him, I like him a lot myself and think he can be a 15-20 goal bottom 6er. Rangers checked in on Julien Gauthier late, not sure who initiated contact about this trade but I believe the Rangers did. Fantastic trade by Gorts. They’re done looking at Pulju. I don’t think the Rangers are done looking at Ratcliffe, but I’m not sure where he fits going forward. Regarding Andersson, he’ll likely back. I cannot comment on what happened to either him or Kravtsov because I do not know. Whole thing is very under wraps (nothing illegal or even as bad as it seems.) My guess is that they didn’t appreciate the locker room antics in Hartford. There’s a very good chance our first pick this year will be a defender. Two guys they love are Jake Sanderson and Emil Andrae. No idea what they plan on doing with the 2nd pick but I think they’re looking to move it. Skjei trade was very, very smart by Gorton and perfect timing. If he waited til the draft to move Skjei I very much doubt he’d have gotten that 1st rounder. Carolina was desperate at the TDL because their team “felt off” the entire year. I think they made too many shakeup moves and if the season went on they’d probably either miss the playoffs or get bounced early. Different from when CBJ went all in, though Canes didn’t go to their extent.

Rangers also scouting Calgary heavily the past two years, iirc they’ve been the team we scouted the most. We looked into Hanifin but the asking price wasn’t worth it. Good thing we never went after him because that would’ve been Skjei 2.0. Remember the TJ Brodie for Kreider rumor last year? That was false, but Hayes and Kreider we’re both linked heavily to them. I think both would’ve been good fits for Calgary. Speaking of Calgary, I know some have speculated about Johnny/Mony. Sense is that if the Flames were bounced in the 1st this year there would’ve been a shakeup trade, not as big as the Lindholm/Hamilton/Hanifin/Fox trade though. though it likely wouldn’t have involved either. If the Flames struggle next year though, I’d be VERY surprised if they kept both. Johnny is an east coast boy and there is pretty much a 0% chance either him or Tkachuk stay in Calgary the rest of their careers. Both will end up in prominent American markets, Johnny will end up in the metro eventually. Kylington+ was on the table for either Kreider or Hayes. Rangers turned it down. (Good move.)

The McDonagh/Miller trade WAS two separate trades. I think it was 1st+Howden+Hajek for McDonagh and 2nd+Namestnikov for Miller. Rangers wanted Miller gone due to his lazy play and attitude. I’m pretty surprised at his success in Vancouver and how he’s been called a leader there. Don’t expect his production to remain the same.

Howden is available, they’re not actively looking to trade him because there’s no one to replace him yet but he could be moved in a package. He’s better than HFNYR give him credit for

Don’t expect Buch to be here longer than his contract. I’d put the chances of Buch staying at like 10-20%.

Just because we traded Skjei does not mean we’re keeping DeAngelo, but I really hope we do. AFAIK, Rangers are still unsure what to do with the RHD situation. Trouba hasn’t had a great year but hasn’t been as bad as people think. Gorton is a more stone cold GM, doesn’t seem that way, but definitely is. He’ll trade Trouba if he thinks it’s the best move, even if he just signed. At the same time though, management loves Trouba and so do I. Great defenseman with an element we don’t have. Much, much better than Pionk. Still a great trade today. I’m honestly a fan of the 3 RHD defense, with each getting a partner that fits them. Having one of Trouba/Fox/Tony on the ice for the entire game is great. May not be great now but will be very soon. Each has different qualities that don’t make each other redundant. As soon as next year, all 3 will be top pair quality assuming Tony and Fox naturally progress even a bit. Staal has been legitimately good this year at defending. Still makes positional mistakes but has been excellent with his stick work. Lindgren is a stud. Hajek is a question mark. Rykov has struggled. Reunanen is interesting but I’m not too high on him anymore. Robertson doesn’t have much upside. Rangers will eventually make a move for a big time LHD. Miller has Skjei-like qualities that scare me. But two things Miller has over Skjei; his shot and his rawness.

here’s a few for now. Will be back around the draft to update if I can

First off, greatly appreciate your commentary. A welcomed distraction.

secondly - while there’s some good info here, nothing you should need to ‘seek permission’ to share.

lastly - “Robertson doesn’t have much upside” ... ummm...what?
 
First off, greatly appreciate your commentary. A welcomed distraction.

secondly - while there’s some good info here, nothing you should need to ‘seek permission’ to share.

lastly - “Robertson doesn’t have much upside” ... ummm...what?
Wasn’t sure about site rules. People would think I was trolling if I dropped that on a new account

He really doesn’t. Good defensively and solid skater. No offensive tools, weak shot. Best case is Brady with a brain which is like a good 3D? There’s a reason he slipped, I think he’s more likely to be traded. Great kid though apparently and I was a big fan early in his draft year where I considered him a NYR target
 
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