Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVIII:

[Kakko Schmakko]

Ok, so we have to wait for it to be officially cancelled before Barron can be signed.

looks like they cancelled it: College hockey, Frozen Four home | NCAA.com

 

[Irishguy42]

Ok, so we have to wait for it to be officially cancelled before Barron can be signed.

Actually, nevermind. They were cancelled

https://www.uscho.com/2020/03/12/nc...20-hockey-season-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak/
NCAA tournaments canceled over coronavirus

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I think moving on from Skjei was addition by subtraction, especially since you are getting a first round pick back, one that will most likely be in the teens. You have to take into account that Skjei never really played defense the way you need a top 4 guy to play defense. He was out of position, turnover prone, did not block shots, did not take hits to make plays, did not tie up sticks, did not battle hard in front of the net.

I think that one of the reasons why we've all become such big fans of Lindy is that he does all of the things listed above that Skjei did not. It was refreshing to see. All you have to do, and I'm not suggesting that this is easy, but all you have to do is replace those minutes from Skjei with a guy that does the above.

I do think that the Rangers will have to acquire this player via trade as soon as next season. Unless one of Hajek, Key, or Rykov can take those minutes on, you have to make a trade to acquire that player. What that means is that player replaces one of Staal/Smith, while pushing the other to the third pair. Then you can have one of the kids above replace Staal/Smith on the 3rd pair while playing insulated minutes.

Yes absolutely, with the amount of defensive mistakes Skjei makes, nobody will win a Cup with him as their top 4 Dman.

 

[UnSandvich]

You're happy with Strome/Chytl/Nobody or is there something better in mind?

Compared to paying a 1st+ for Nugent-Hopkins? Absolutely, yes I am.

 

[True Blue]

Please don't feel like I'm attacking you. You are obviously a bright guy, however when you appear to be defending the politicians who may or may not have used knowledge of the outbreak to profit it's not a good look. It reminds me a lot of a conversation I had at a party in East Hampton about 14 years ago when the Enron participants were being sentenced. I had two Wall Street guys telling me "how appalled they were that these guys were being sent to jail for just doing their jobs." My eyes rolled & I quickly found other people to talk to.

For the masses, most of us despise politicians & titans of industry to begin with. They use their privilege & wealth to access & obtain things we can only dream of. Most of us would like to think many of them have achieved these things with hard work, & a little luck along the way. However I don't think we're naive enough to not understand that corruption on those levels runs rampant, so when stuff like this comes to light, the outrage is certainly justified. You may choose to ignore it, but it doesn't make it any less disgusting.

Fair enough. When it comes to the market, I am fortunate enough to understand how it works and see the many participants. So while certainly no maven, I know just enough to be dangerous.

To clarify, I am not so much defending as I am cautioning against jumping to conclusions. And a I stated in another thread, the question that I have is are the politicians obligated to follow the same NMPI rules that asset managers are for example? If not, then what it appears that they have done is not illegal. Unethical and disgusting? Sure. But illegal.

And if not illegal, then there really is nothing to investigate. As an example, which one of us files their tax returns with the intent of paying as much taxable income as possible? The answer is none. If one can find a way to pay less tax or even better, show a taxable loss, they would.

I may be naive, but I believe that by and large people earn their position in life via hard work. Sure there are exceptions, but I bear no rancor to those that are considered the titans of industry. It's their money to do with as they please. And I will not judge how they increase their wealth if it is not illegal. I think that if we are all honest with each other, most of us would look to increase the bottom line if it does not break the law. After that, ethics is something that we all deal with on a personal level.

 

[True Blue]

I’d say this is pretty for-sure. I guess the question is, does he get a two-year deal or a longer-term deal. Rangers probably wouldn’t bridge him. If they can’t come to a mutually-beneficial agreement they’ll trade him. Which would not be good for either party, but worse for Strome. So the logical resolution is a team-friendly five year deal. Or a market value two-year deal. Is my guess.

I have maintained all along that the deal will be between 2-4 years at $5m per.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

You're happy with Strome/Chytl/Nobody or is there something better in mind?

I will gladly take Strome + a 1st round pick over Nugent-Hopkins (Since it will take at least a 1st rounder to acquire him)

 

[UnSandvich]

I will gladly take Strome + a 1st round pick over Nugent-Hopkins (Since it will take at least a 1st rounder to acquire him)

Nugent Hopkins also only has 1 year left on his deal, is currently making 6mil, and will want a substantial raise seeing as he'll be a UFA. So yeah, hard no from me.

 

[True Blue]

They need to resign Fast

While there is a market clearing rate for everything, there is a cap on such players. IMO, he is a very solid bottom 6 player, but not worth $3m per.

 

[True Blue]

Amazing...simply amazing the talent here for both squads!!

While NOTHING touches those Oiler teams (think of the amount of money it would take to have those teams together today), those Isles teams is where my sheer detesting of the Isles grew. Bobby "head butt" Nystrom. Billy "stick to the ball$" Smith. BUT over the years, I have learned to have a begrudging respect for the team that was assembled. Those Isles teams could play any style of game you wanted and more often than not, beat you in it. I often wondered how those teams would have fared against the 1994 Rangers.

 

[leetch99]

While NOTHING touches those Oiler teams (think of the amount of money it would take to have those teams together today), those Isles teams is where my sheer detesting of the Isles grew. Bobby "head butt" Nystrom. Billy "stick to the ball$" Smith. BUT over the years, I have learned to have a begrudging respect for the team that was assembled. Those Isles teams could play any style of game you wanted and more often than not, beat you in it. I often wondered how those teams would have fared against the 1994 Rangers.

I hated them too...what made it worse was that my younger brother was a Fishstick fan. There were a few of them at our golf course this Summer for an event . I avoided them for the most part...still wanted nothing to do with them . They had Bourne and Gillies and s few more there including Dobson . I had to eat my hatred though and get a signature on an pic of Gillies for my brother as a surprise gift for his retirement . I guess it was worth it as he had tears in his eyes when I gave it to him a month later . So...I know he will enjoy it forever . LOL....at the same event I told Guy Lapointe[Hab star] how much I hated him back then but I respected his play now as a fan . Can't hate forever....nobody should .

 

[Maximus]

While NOTHING touches those Oiler teams (think of the amount of money it would take to have those teams together today), those Isles teams is where my sheer detesting of the Isles grew. Bobby "head butt" Nystrom. Billy "stick to the ball$" Smith. BUT over the years, I have learned to have a begrudging respect for the team that was assembled. Those Isles teams could play any style of game you wanted and more often than not, beat you in it. I often wondered how those teams would have fared against the 1994 Rangers.

I think for most Ranger fans who are older than 45 who can remember the early 80's, that's definitely where the hatred for the Islanders comes from. I have a couple of friends who say it started when JP Parise's OT winner in '75 which knocked us out of the playoffs was the when it started but I digress.

Sure it was disappointing we lost that game but it signaled the end of that era of really really good Ranger teams from 1970-1975 that simply couldn't get over the hump we simply couldn't beat the Bruins or Flyers when it counted. I for one was kind of glad Rangers were going to rebuild cause some of our older players weren't all that productive anymore(ie...the Fairburns, Stemkowski's,McGregger's, Seiling...etc.

And as much as John Ferguson gets criticized, he did bring in some solid young players like Duguay, DeBlois, Greschner, the Maloney's, Davidson...etc and so this retooling ended up with one of the most fun any Ranger fan has ever had which was the 1979 run to the Cup.

Us beating the heavily favored Islanders in the ECF might have ironically been the worst thing to happen for us cause every year after that we played the Islanders except I believe 1980, we Ranger fans thought we'd figure out a way to beat them again even as heavy underdogs every year.

The Islanders weren't letting that happen tho and even tho we had some really good teams, we just couldn't beat them damn Islanders.

As you said, they could beat you any which way and their goalie Billy Smith to this day might be the most hated opposing player Rangers have ever played against.

I tell ya what tho, even tho we lost to them pukes every year in the playoffs, the Rangers at least were able to start beating the equally hateable Flyers much more consistently. And that for fans like me at the time was almost as fun as beating the Islanders.

 

[RangerBoy]

K’Andre Miller is under contract, Nils Lundkvist should sign at some point during this undefined offseason, and so both youngsters representing the forefront of next wave of Rangers defensemen are expected to be at training camp preceding the 2020-21 season.

That is of course welcome news for the Blueshirts, who drafted the left-handed Miller 22nd overall in 2018, six slots ahead of where the right-handed Lundkvist was selected. Who knows? At some point, and maybe not all that far off in the future, they will become a matched set, ala Adam Fox and Ryan Lindgren.

 

[Vitto79]

Why does Brooks think they may be rushed?

RD is full. LD they could be stuck w

Staal/Smith so they are placeholders. Lucky if 1 can move

Hajek, Rykov, Reunanen are going to get a longer look

Who knows what trade they could pull off.

 

[eco's bones]

I think for most Ranger fans who are older than 45 who can remember the early 80's, that's definitely where the hatred for the Islanders comes from. I have a couple of friends who say it started when JP Parise's OT winner in '75 which knocked us out of the playoffs was the when it started but I digress.

Sure it was disappointing we lost that game but it signaled the end of that era of really really good Ranger teams from 1970-1975 that simply couldn't get over the hump we simply couldn't beat the Bruins or Flyers when it counted. I for one was kind of glad Rangers were going to rebuild cause some of our older players weren't all that productive anymore(ie...the Fairburns, Stemkowski's,McGregger's, Seiling...etc.

And as much as John Ferguson gets criticized, he did bring in some solid young players like Duguay, DeBlois, Greschner, the Maoney's, Davidson...etc and so this retooling ended up with one of the most fun any Ranger fan has ever had which was the 1979 run to the Cup.

Us beating the heavily favored Islanders in the ECF might have ironically been the worst thing to happen for us cause every year after that we played the Islanders except I believe 1980, we Ranger fans thought we'd figure out a way to beat them again even as heavy underdogs every year.

The Islanders weren't letting that happen tho and even tho we had some really good teams, we just couldn't beat them damn Islanders.

As you said, they could beat you any which way and their goalie Billy Smith to this day might be the most hated opposing player Rangers have ever played against.

I tell ya what tho, even tho we lost to them pukes every year in the playoffs, the Rangers at least were able to start beating the equally hateable Flyers much more consistently. And that for fans like me at the time was almost as fun as beating the Islanders.

A lot of things could have worked out better. It seemed to me that Barry Beck for one was always plagued by injuries---either playing hurt or out. Don Murdoch kind of lost the thread after his rookie season. For that rookie season you might have thought we found our own Mike Bossy. Greschner also had a major back problem that pretty much ruined at least 2 of his years. The thing is we were never quite as deep or quite as tough or had as much superstar power as the Islanders.....and we didn't have a coach like Al Arbour--that steady hand at the wheel season after season after season. It's not to say we didn't have some good teams or good seasons but it was never really enough.

Looking at the current Ranger team going forward though there is star power and particularly if guys like Fox, Kakko and Shesterkin continue to grow. Panarin and Zibanejad can arguably make any line they're on a first line. We need more depth particularly on our bottom lines and need to steady our overall defensive play but some of that should happen naturally as some of our younger players mature. We have a shitload of quality young players and prospects. IMO we have the makings of a team that can regularly compete for Stanley Cups maybe two/three years from now. Once this team becomes a playoff team again and once it proves it can win a playoff series it's on its way.

A good draft will make us a deeper team. Speaking of which I think it was suppose to be in Montreal. I have a sense that when they hold it it will be in another location--not an arena and no attendance---a more low key affair.

 

[Avery16]

Skjei was fine and not overpaid by very much, but our development pool will soon produce better options and his contract would have then been an unnecessary liability. It was good and necessary that we move him, and the return was ok. A team could win a Cup with him in their top 4. Probably not on the top pair though.

 

[Avery16]

At least the season getting postponed will give Haley time to get healthy.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Sure it was disappointing we lost that game but it signaled the end of that era of really really good Ranger teams from 1970-1975 that simply couldn't get over the hump we simply couldn't beat the Bruins or Flyers when it counted. I for one was kind of glad Rangers were going to rebuild cause some of our older players weren't all that productive anymore(ie...the Fairburns, Stemkowski's,McGregger's, Seiling...etc.

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growing up in the 80’s, that was a very rough time with the Isles so strong. At their peak, I’m not sure who was better, the Isles or the Oilers. Isles were so strong on the boards.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Why does Brooks think they may be rushed?

RD is full. LD they could be stuck w

Staal/Smith so they are placeholders. Lucky if 1 can move

Hajek, Rykov, Reunanen are going to get a longer look

Who knows what trade they could pull off.

injury, somebody will get hurt. Would it shock anybody if either get the call up next year? Heck, it wouldn’t shock me if Lundy gets traded.

I do hope the Rangers stay patient. We know which fans won’t around here.

 

[True Blue]

I tell ya what tho, even tho we lost to them pukes every year in the playoffs, the Rangers at least were able to start beating the equally hateable Flyers much more consistently. And that for fans like me at the time was almost as fun as beating the Islanders.

For me, I detested the Flyers every bit as much as the Isles. To this day, I cannot stand the Flyers much more than the Devils.

 

[Maximus]

growing up in the 80’s, that was a very rough time with the Isles so strong. At their peak, I’m not sure who was better, the Isles or the Oilers. Isles were so strong on the boards.

Yup...not a question in my mind that the 1980 thru 1984 time period was the most frustrating I have ever felt in my almost 50 years as a Ranger fan and ironically it had nothing at all to do with our team sucking as I said previously, Rangers had some very good exciting teams back than...it had everything to do with losing to the Islanders EVERY stinking year.

For me personally, I was at college up at SUNY Brockport during those exact years and a lot of my friends I had made were from Long Island and so every April it would be 10-15 of us going to the Ground Round for beer, wings and USA Network for every single game that was played.

And we’d watch the Rangers play the Isles really tough, tease us that they might win,yet get ultimately dusted and our Islander fan friends piling on all the abuse and shit they possibly could on us....Rinse and a Repeat every god damn year...it drove Ranger fans like me absolutely nuts!!

The fact that the Islanders won 4 Cups was bad enough but what made it worse was along the way, they beat us 3 of those Cup winning years and made it to the Cup finals the other time.

That my friends is as bad as it gets IMO for a Ranger fan and unfortunately I was around to witness it 4 times which is why I contend those 4 years as a Ranger fan were 10x’s worse than any of us experienced in the “Dark Ages” of 1997-2004!!

 

[NYSPORTS]

Ranger fan were 10x’s worse than any of us experienced in the “Dark Ages” of 1997-2004!!

oh gosh, it’s not even close. The 1994 Cup win made the 97-2004 tolerable. We didn’t agree with the ridiculous moves by management but we could still die in peace b/c of 94. Prior, it was hell. The pain of losing in 90 (whenever it was to the Pens prior to the cup) was equally as devastating as that ridiculous Morrow goal when Hanlon was screened in which the Rangers should have won the OT series.

And then these bastard Islander fans, these frauds actually applauded the 94 Cup win. What? I thought? I laced into them b/c there was no way they were going to rob me of payback.

The Islanders who robbed us, the Smurf team and their miracle run was derailed by Roy standing on his head, Rod Langway’s one goal per year, John flipping Druce, the drama of Lemieux with Paul flipping Coffey mugging Granato, etc. My gosh, post 94 was a cake walk.

Long live 94, now i can die in peace b/c I lived through the hell of the 80’s and pre 94.

'Now I Can Die In Peace' ... The Story Of The Most Famous Sign In Sports History

 

[wafflepadsave]

Yup...not a question in my mind that the 1980 thru 1984 time period was the most frustrating I have ever felt in my almost 50 years as a Ranger fan and ironically it had nothing at all to do with our team sucking as I said previously, Rangers had some very good exciting teams back than...it had everything to do with losing to the Islanders EVERY stinking year.

For me personally, I was at college up at SUNY Brockport during those exact years and a lot of my friends I had made were from Long Island and so every April it would be 10-15 of us going to the Ground Round for beer, wings and USA Network for every single game that was played.

And we’d watch the Rangers play the Isles really tough, tease us that they might win,yet get ultimately dusted and our Islander fan friends piling on all the abuse and shit they possibly could on us....Rinse and a Repeat every god damn year...it drove Ranger fans like me absolutely nuts!!

The fact that the Islanders won 4 Cups was bad enough but what made it worse was along the way, they beat us 3 of those Cup winning years and made it to the Cup finals the other time.

That my friends is as bad as it gets IMO for a Ranger fan and unfortunately I was around to witness it 4 times which is why I contend those 4 years as a Ranger fan were 10x’s worse than any of us experienced in the “Dark Ages” of 1997-2004!!

The last one was the worst. Miko Leninen sp. missed/ fanned on that opportunity right in front of smith.

 

[NYSPORTS]

The last one was the worst. Miko Leninen sp. missed/ fanned on that opportunity right in front of smith.

44 shots to 25!!!!! Still kills me/us. Rangers were the better team.

 

[bobbop]

I think the team you dislike the most is directly tied to the time frame you became a devout Ranger fan. For me it will always be the Islanders. What I find fascinating is that having lived in many places throughout the Northeast, the Islanders clearly view the Rangers as their arch rival, so do the Devils and Flyers and to some degree so do the Caps and Penguins. We are the team people love to hate.