Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVIII - Dust in the wind…

[rangers1314]

Given a choice between Lehkonen or Crouse, assuming they are the same cost to acquire, who would people prefer?

Lehkonen

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Tinordi for Holloway, done

 

[leetch99]

Barron could play now imo and should.
I think Robertson gets a call up mid-season next year, and doesn’t go down. Similar to Schneider’s situation this year.
Berard/Cuylle/Othmann is tougher to say. They can arrive at various points over the next 1 and a half to 2 years.
If 1 of them has a lights out camp, they might just stay up with the team....
Especially considering our cap next year.

those would be my best guesses

A kid coming from Junior won't be a savior of any sort . Look at Laf and KK...highly rated and here we are . Othmann is about 3 years away from being a 15 goal scorer in the NHL . One can hope.....

 

[SA16]

Tinordi is the type of guy that could be included in a Georgiev deal for Koskinen. The deal could conceivably be:

Georgiev at 50% + Tinordi for Koskinen + _______

It helps the Rangers cap situation next year and moves Tinordi to somewhere he may play more. He can't be ecstatic about consistently playing in the AHL.

He's an AHL player. Why would he expect otherwise? He's played 109 NHL games in 10 years and 56 out of a possible 175 in the last 3.

 

[rangers1314]

One thing to note about Tippett is that he's averaged like 11 minutes per game through his career.

Is there more there?

 

[Clark Kellogg]

There was a (news?)video bit from a unknown Montreal Canadian fan site that was referencing a tweet in French stating that Joe Sakic is willing to part with his 2022 1st and Justin Barron.
Tried to locate the tweet but found it impossible for me due to my ignorance of the language.

1:20 mark. You’ve been warned.

 

[Avery16]

Right now, Räty is anywhere between the next Aho and the next Saarela. Not really going to lose sleep over a guy who was drafted 36 spots after our last selection prior to that. As much as I like Räty as a prospect, Othmann was and is the better prospect on draft day, and now 7 months later.

Of course that can change, and if it does, good for the Isles for picking him where they did but this is like getting upset that the Rangers passed on Kucherov in 2011.

It didn’t have to be either or. The pick we moved to unload Staal would have been sufficient to draft Raty in addition to Othmann.

 

[Anthony5967]

Kakko may become a very good player but when you can be in a top 6 role with linemates scoring and you can go 20 games without a goal, Blackwell doesn't look all that bad.

Not saying playing Blackwell over Kakko was the right choice, but Kakko hasn't made it into an absurd choice, yet.

It could also be though why our guys are slow to produce. Chytil started playing with Panarin and Strome, even while banged up, and he looked good. He’s playing with two guys that wouldn’t even be in contending teams’ lineups. You drafted two guys that high, Laf and Kakko, because of their skill sets. Burying them to elevate career depth players is ridiculous.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Don't see what difference backup goalie means on the Rangers. If Shesterkin goes down, they're toast. Might as well keep Georgiev or Kinkaid rather than giving up anything for Jones.

Yeah, I don’t disagree there…but we can’t expect the org to feel the same if they want to move Georgiev. If they do trade him and don’t feel comforts with Kinkaid, then make a move for another goalie. I’m not going to lose sleep over that sequence of events.

 

[effen]

A kid coming from Junior won't be a savior of any sort . Look at Laf and KK...highly rated and here we are . Othmann is about 3 years away from being a 15 goal scorer in the NHL . One can hope.....

Othmanns shot may play and he could get 15 goals next year. Skating, shot, and energy all play immediately on the NHL.

That doesn't mean he will be a positive player overall.

 

[effen]

It could also be though why our guys are slow to produce. Chytil started playing with Panarin and Strome, even while banged up, and he looked good. He’s playing with two guys that wouldn’t even be in contending teams’ lineups. You drafted two guys that high, Laf and Kakko, because of their skill sets. Burying them to elevate career depth players is ridiculous.

All the high drafted guys had to do was consistently move their feet. Kakko learned earlier, maybe he shoulda told Lafreniere.

Burying them, lol.

 

[NYR Viper]

He's an AHL player. Why would he expect otherwise? He's played 109 NHL games in 10 years and 56 out of a possible 175 in the last 3.

I think he's a tweener for sure. Perhaps he was hoping more for a solid #7 role somewhere when he signed.

 

[mas0764]

So, should management have said to Kravtsov even though you're not in shape you can stay on the NHL roster?

I don't buy the "not in shape," narrative so much since I watched him play in the preseason. He may not have been in ideal shape but it was ok.

So that being said, yes. If it was down to him bolting or not.

If it "sends the wrong message," and a bunch of other kids start misbehaving then you can swap back to a hard line approach. But I don't think it would. Again, you wink wink nudge nudge someone like Reaves and tell him to toughen the kid up.

 

[NYR Viper]

Lehkonen

I think I would agree, although Crouse is an interesting player. He's actually more overtly physical than Lehkonen and he's 2 years younger.

 

[mas0764]

This started with a hypothetical scenario where the rangers won their next 7 games against playoff teams before the deadline and still you wouldn’t want them to add any short term pieces to improve the team. That position is crazy and a lot of your posts are condescending. Not lecturing.

So it's ok for you to call people crazy but not anyone else tell you that you are wrong.

Got it.

 

[savebyrichter94]

32-13-5
9th in ESPN power rankings.
Big improvement from last year!
Imagine when Laf and KK and Chytil start contributing and they get better players than Mckeggvand Hunt.

I’m not attempting to discredit their record or their improvement just don’t agree that Barron isn’t a better choice for one of those spots, it certainly doesn’t hurt to try it for a game or two, you never know where you might find unexpected chemistry, if Barron for instance clicks with Bread and Strome and then you don’t need to acquire someone for that role anymore

 

[savebyrichter94]

Dbl post

 

[bleedblue94]

We obviously disagree.

If he is a great player under the right parameters why wouldn't Vegas keep him?

For the same reason they didn't keep tuch, fleury, and Schmidt and will probably move on from Smith and or karlson this summer: cap

Are you actually suggesting that any player that is moved can't be a quality player?

 

[NYR Viper]

Just doing a quick comparison of a few guys now being discussed who SHOULD cost around the same price:

Lawson Crouse
24 years olf
RFA at years end
14g
10a
24p
Only 3 points on the PP
49gp
17:40 average TOI
135 hits
+3.6% CF% Even Strength
55.8% defensive zone starts
1.2 G/60 even strength
0.6 A/60 even strength




Artturi Lehkonen
26 years old
RFA at years end
7g
13a
20p
only 1 point on the PP
14:30 average TOI
48 hits
+7.5% CF% even strength
51.3% defensive zone starts
0.5 G/60 even strength
1.4 A/60 even strength


Rickard Rakell
28 years old
UFA at years end
14g
11a
25p
7 points on the PP
18:20 average TOI
49 hits
+4.2 CF% even strength
38.9% defensive zone starts
0.9 G/60 even strength
0.7 A/60 even strength


For me, Rakell provides the safest bet as his track record is longer but if I'm spending a 2nd + prospect for anyone, it's probably Crouse due to age, playing style and his usage this season. Followed by Lehkonen.

It's too bad Drury couldn't afford both because they would fit this team like a glove...

Panarin-Strome-Kaako
Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Crouse-Goodrow-Lehkonen
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves

This would mean Chytil is gone, but perhaps that is for the best. That would be one of the better 2-way 3rd lines in the league and one that could be together for a while.

 

[bleedblue94]

Martin Jones has been dog shit for 4 years in a row.

Look I want a better backup goalie in here as much as anyone, but if I have to choose...I'm sticking with Geo (unless some boob is out there with a undeniable offer for him).

I'd sooner start Kinkaid than Martin Jones.

Benny gets the benefit of the doubt though, they aren't bringing another goalie in here without his blessing.

 

[RangersFan1994]

For those that think Kakko is not doing so well. He has 1 more point than Dach from the 2019 draft. I would love Dach on the Rangers but I only see that happening is if they trade his younger brother which I doubt.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I know I’m going to get heat for this but I don’t care. Sign me up for Nic Deslauriers as a cheap 4th line rental. Imagine Reaves on one side and Deslauriers on the other hunting the defense down and wearing them out. I know people are gonna give me shit and say the team already has one useless goon blah blah blah. But the reality is, the playoffs are a war, you send 2 heat seeking missiles out there and it’s gonna wear down the opposing d over a series. The 4th line is a checking grinding line, and yeah the occasional goal here and there. If the Rangers fail to score in the playoffs that’s on the top 6 stars, not the 4th line. This isn’t about fighting and gooning it up. I mean, it’s better than future NYR assistant developer McKegg out there. Deslauriers does have 8 points so far this year.

I would love Deslauriers. But I rather have someone with more skill and some grit in the top 9. That is a big issue. Too much finesse in the top 9. Need more crash the net types. Dustin Brown would have been a good choice but I bet he retires a LA King. Hagel would be good get. I’d kick the tires on Bertuzzi and see if Red Wings plan to move him. It is a shame Gallagher has that contract, he would be perfect. Imagine Kreider on 1 PP and Gallagher on another.

 

[leetch99]

Not sure I would want Gallagher when possibly I could have Josh Anderson at a million cheaper and two years younger and a foot taller on our PP and at 5 on 5 play .

 

[effen]

If it "sends the wrong message," and a bunch of other kids start misbehaving then you can swap back to a hard line approach. But I don't think it would. Again, you wink wink nudge nudge someone like Reaves and tell him to toughen the kid up.

It sends a wrong message to literally everyone and you instantly have a fractured locker room because rules apply to some and not others in a manner expressly endorsed by management.

Can't see that going poorly for a guy just promoted by a volatile owner.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Don't see what difference backup goalie means on the Rangers. If Shesterkin goes down, they're toast. Might as well keep Georgiev or Kinkaid rather than giving up anything for Jones.

Backup goalie is still an important position. Geo has a 3m cap hit and is a free agent after this year. You have to try to trade him and get something for him while you can.