Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII: It's the Final Countdown

[Clark Kellogg]

They just had a thread on this on the trade boards. Buffalo fans were laughing at offers that included ALL of: Fox, DeAngelo, both 2020 firsts, Shesterkin and Chytil. They legitimately think that if Eichel forces the issue and demands a trade, that they will be getting an entire farm system in return AND a comparable center.

They also expressed their view that Panarin and Zib are "not even close" to being as valuable as Eichel.

It was...an interesting read.

In 1979 after we lost to the Canadiens in the cup finals we traded 5 very good players to the Colorado Rockies (NJ Devils) for young star defenseman Barry Beck.
History shows that was a disaster for the Rangers.
I would hate to think Gorton would take multiple valuable current roster assets to get Eichel especially with JD being his boss and seeing first hand what happened in breaking up a young championship caliber team.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Tom Poti... What a nerd.

Is that you Rico?

 

[Mikos87]

They have an insane cap crunch and will have to shed a ton of salary in the summer. If they keep all of their RFAs (Sarge, Cirelli and Cernak) they will have to trade at least two of Palat, Killorn and Johnson along with paying through the nose for somone to take Gourde without taking salary back. This is despite them significantly overpaying for Coleman and Goodrow to get cheap players for next year.

Getting somone like Nils who can shore up RD on an ELC will have a lot of value for them, it's actually not a bad idea at all.

You're overstating it a bit. They need to move out one of those players. They love Killorn, he's part of their core, he's sticking around. Gourde is the odd man out, and I would not be surprised if they package a deal up to get him to DET.

With the cap going up, and Gourde out, they can bridge all of their kids.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

In 1979 after we lost to the Canadiens in the cup finals we traded 5 very good players to the Colorado Rockies (NJ Devils) for young star defenseman Barry Beck.
History shows that was a disaster for the Rangers.
I would hate to think Gorton would take multiple valuable current roster assets to get Eichel especially with JD being his boss and seeing first hand what happened in breaking up a young championship caliber team.

But this isn't a championship caliber team. Not advocating for making a deal like that but it should at least be explored if Eichel was really made available in the off season.

The situation you describe is not the current situation the Rangers are in.

 

[Mikos87]

But this isn't a championship caliber team. Not advocating for making a deal like that but it should at least be explored if Eichel was really made available in the off season.

The situation you describe is not the current situation the Rangers are in.

It depends on the price. IMO there are warts that come with Jack that hopefully were a matter of a frustrated kid who hated losing. BUF is imo, the worst run organization in hockey, so any player who wants to win would be ticked off at playing there. Would I be surprised if Eichel requested a trade? Absolutely not. I would expect it.

If this year was bad for BUF, next year is going to be worse. They don't have much of a roster in place for next year, with little to no help coming in from the farm. So it's looking pretty bleak.

But that being said, a trade for Eichel would require giving 4 NHL components that can grow over there.

I don't think the Rangers are in a position to do that currently, unless it's a Trouba like situation where he's dictating where he ends up and you don't have any other bidders.

 

[leetch99]

In 1979 after we lost to the Canadiens in the cup finals we traded 5 very good players to the Colorado Rockies (NJ Devils) for young star defenseman Barry Beck.
History shows that was a disaster for the Rangers.
I would hate to think Gorton would take multiple valuable current roster assets to get Eichel especially with JD being his boss and seeing first hand what happened in breaking up a young championship caliber team.

Beck had a career riddled with back probs....that was unfortunate and just a bad break for us . We basically traded McEwen and DeBlois for him...and Hickey . Yes...a bad trade looking back . I was looking at the stats...forgot that McEwen scored 20 as a Dman for us...he got moved around a lot over the course of his career....

 

[haohmaru]

He could also turn out to absolutely nothing while we’d be set at center for the next decade.

So, it's okay for you to speculate and by very optimistic about the next ten years of Cirelli's career but others can't do the same for Lundkvist? Double standard much?

I'll agree to disagree. I'd like to see more of Lundkvist before flipping him for a 2C and regretting it for that decade you're talking about.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

But this isn't a championship caliber team. Not advocating for making a deal like that but it should at least be explored if Eichel was really made available in the off season.

The situation you describe is not the current situation the Rangers are in.

True, but the current roster needs two LD’s and bottom six forwards (grinders and bangers) more than a number 1 center. Eichel would fill a hole but would the cost create new and numerous ones.

 

[leetch99]

True, but the current roster needs two LD’s and bottom six forwards (grinders and bangers) more than a number 1 center. Eichel would fill a hole but would the cost create new and numerous ones.

We definitely need a couple of more mean no prisoner type of corner guys on the offence and the defence ...one for each corner , defending and attacking and a big Center that can win draws . Fill those holes and we can best anyone in about a year or so . Those are the three needs...and maybe K'Andre is one and maybe just maybe Gauthier can find a nasty edge to play with . So...maybe we are good to go without major moves ? Edit....Opps..still need that Center that can win draws and dish off the puck.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

It depends on the price. IMO there are warts that come with Jack that hopefully were a matter of a frustrated kid who hated losing. BUF is imo, the worst run organization in hockey, so any player who wants to win would be ticked off at playing there. Would I be surprised if Eichel requested a trade? Absolutely not. I would expect it.

If this year was bad for BUF, next year is going to be worse. They don't have much of a roster in place for next year, with little to no help coming in from the farm. So it's looking pretty bleak.

But that being said, a trade for Eichel would require giving 4 NHL components that can grow over there.

I don't think the Rangers are in a position to do that currently, unless it's a Trouba like situation where he's dictating where he ends up and you don't have any other bidders.

Exactly, that's why I said depending on the cost. Have to have a line drawn in the sand somewhere.

I think even if he wanted to dictate where he went he has a lot less leverage then Trouba did, who was a year away from UFA I believe and not signed. Eichel is signed for another 6 years.

Some have said that they dont think ADA would be of interest to Buffalo because of who they have on the right side but I disagree. He'd instantly become their top option on the right and him a Dahlin would become a dominant top pair. They would move one of their other RHD to acquire more assets.

I think you'd be looking at ADA, Chytil, a third piece and this years #1. That third piece I think is either Georgiev, Baron, Robertson, 2021 #1 (Commodity wise that is like a 2020 #2 in this season). I think that's the max the Rangers would go.

Some other pieces might be interchangeable like Miller or Lundkvist replacing the 2020 #1 for example.

Players the Rangers would not move (and I dont think Buffalo would be interested in some if they were trading Eichel): Zbad, Panarin, Fox, Trouba, Shesh and Kakko.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Beck had a career riddled with back probs....that was unfortunate and just a bad break for us . We basically traded McEwen and DeBlois for him...and Hickey . Yes...a bad trade looking back . I was looking at the stats...forgot that McEwen scored 20 as a Dman for us...he got moved around a lot over the course of his career....

Yes, but that team had a solid 6 D-Core. We ended up improving on an area of strength and created holds that were unable to fill up front.
You dont want to give a shout out to Bobby Sheehan?
He had a great playoff run with us and who knows that if he stayed in New York maybe his play would have stay elevated by having better quality line mates.
Shame about his personal issues.

 

[Cag29]

So, it's okay for you to speculate and by very optimistic about the next ten years of Cirelli's career but others can't do the same for Lundkvist? Double standard much?

I'll agree to disagree. I'd like to see more of Lundkvist before flipping him for a 2C and regretting it for that decade you're talking about.

Keep Nils!!!!!

 

[NYSPORTS]

We definitely need a couple of more mean no prisoner type of corner guys on the offence and the defence ...one for each corner , defending and attacking and a big Center that can win draws . Fill those holes and we can best anyone in about a year or so . Those are the three needs...and maybe K'Andre is one and maybe just maybe Gauthier can find a nasty edge to play with . So...maybe we are good to go without major moves ? Edit....Opps..still need that Center that can win draws and dish off the puck.

I thought at the deadline that Kreider would be moved to Boston for those nasty edged types.

as far as Beck (in the other post) wasn’t his shoulder the big issue?

 

[Kocur Dill]

It would have to be a significant reduction.

Agreed. For sure.

I'm just saying. He seems to have a home in the locker room, seems to like being here and understands his place given his history, and has value as a veteran plug in anywhere as-needed.

That has some value. I realize most NYR fans have a hate for the guy because we got hosed on his current contract but Managment of an almost billion dollar sports conglomerate may have a different perspective when managing a sports based work environment that has a hard salary ceiling and a lot of young talent incoming that may not be adept at all the finer elements of winning the majority of the 60 minute, 82 game battle.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

RickChartraw!
Rick Chartraw is one of the Primary reasons we lost the cup that year to the Canadiens.
His shadowing of Esposito was text book perfect.
Scotty Bowman was playing chess and Fred Shero was playing checkers.
Shero should have dressed Nicky Fotiu and put him on Espo’s wing to try and counteract his smothering of Esposito game.
God, your user name brings back a lot of memories some good though he was a good soldier when he ended up playing for us later on.

 

[Mikos87]

Exactly, that's why I said depending on the cost. Have to have a line drawn in the sand somewhere.

I think even if he wanted to dictate where he went he has a lot less leverage then Trouba did, who was a year away from UFA I believe and not signed. Eichel is signed for another 6 years.

Some have said that they dont think ADA would be of interest to Buffalo because of who they have on the right side but I disagree. He'd instantly become their top option on the right and him a Dahlin would become a dominant top pair. They would move one of their other RHD to acquire more assets.

I think you'd be looking at ADA, Chytil, a third piece and this years #1. That third piece I think is either Georgiev, Baron, Robertson, 2021 #1 (Commodity wise that is like a 2020 #2 in this season). I think that's the max the Rangers would go.

Some other pieces might be interchangeable like Miller or Lundkvist replacing the 2020 #1 for example.

Players the Rangers would not move (and I dont think Buffalo would be interested in some if they were trading Eichel): Zbad, Panarin, Fox, Trouba, Shesh and Kakko.

It still wouldn't be enough imo. Like a Barkov for Eichel deal, with salaries and needs across both teams balancing out is more like it. To move a star level player, you need a star level player coming back in a deal like this. Otherwise it just doesn't work.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

In 1979 after we lost to the Canadiens in the cup finals we traded 5 very good players to the Colorado Rockies (NJ Devils) for young star defenseman Barry Beck.
History shows that was a disaster for the Rangers.
I would hate to think Gorton would take multiple valuable current roster assets to get Eichel especially with JD being his boss and seeing first hand what happened in breaking up a young championship caliber team.

Rangers went to the ECF (or Stanley Cup semi finals) in 1981 with Beck. JD was hurt. He got hot the wrong year. He beats the Islanders in 1981 and not 1979 the Rangers steamroll the North Stars in the Finals.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Rangers went to the ECF (or Stanley Cup semi finals) in 1981 with Beck. JD was hurt. He got hot the wrong year. He beats the Islanders in 1981 and not 1979 the Rangers steamroll the North Stars in the Finals.

Self deleted.

 

[haohmaru]

Must be a “Mandela Affect” I was 100% certain we went to the cup finals in the 1978/1979 season.

Old age is a burden.
But I guess it beats the alternative.

We did.

(Edit) I think he's saying we would've won the Cup if JD played in '79 like he played in '81.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

We did.

(Edit) I think he's saying we would've won the Cup if JD played in '79 like he played in '81.

Thank you, I read it again and deleted my reply.

 

[Blue Blooded]

We did.

(Edit) I think he's saying we would've won the Cup if JD played in '79 like he played in '81.

No, I think he meant we win the cup in '81 if he plays like in '79 since we face the North Stars in the finals if we get past the Isles.

 

[haohmaru]

No, I think he meant we win the cup in '81 if he plays like in '79 since we face the North Stars in the finals if we get past the Isles.

That's a bold leap to think he's beating the Isles in '81. We got swept.

 

[bobbop]

Jack Eichel is not being traded. Even if he was, I want no part of him. Period.

 

[Avery16]

Is there an ancient history roster building thread

 

[Matt Rentfree]

RickChartraw!
Rick Chartraw is one of the Primary reasons we lost the cup that year to the Canadiens.
His shadowing of Esposito was text book perfect.
Scotty Bowman was playing chess and Fred Shero was playing checkers.
Shero should have dressed Nicky Fotiu and put him on Espo’s wing to try and counteract his smothering of Esposito game.
God, your user name brings back a lot of memories some good though he was a good soldier when he ended up playing for us later on.

Bumped into Greschner in a bar a few years back and he told me they lost because they were hung over. Apparently not going out on the town when they were in Montreal was simply not an option back then.