Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII - 5 weeks until TDL

[RangerBoy]

I know. Just saying that the Rangers can use another go to the net type of forward. Always liked his style of play.

$6.5M AAV. Gallagher has 5 more seasons remaining on his contract.

 

[Machinehead]

Lets say that's true, it's not really about the direct comparison between the two, but whether or not someone such as Cuylle should be considered to be off the table in a significant trade for someone like Miller. I don't believe he's anywhere near that level a prospect. At that point it's pure prospect hugging for the sake of prospect hugging.

Sure, that's fair.

And then we're getting into "I don't want Miller or anyone because this team is lost at sea" but that's a different day.

 

[SA16]

Okay, so all three are underperforming but again i ask you... Why are you trading for Cole Caufield who is a winger who is underperforming and cant do anything else on the ice than put up points which he has been unable to do for our best trade chip?

We need a #2 center. Strome wants RNH money and he sure as hell is not worth that. Nils should be moved in a deal for that center. Or just hold onto him, let him switch sides and allow him to acclimate to North American hockey. Just like he did in the SHL it will take him a year to get used to everything.

To me, trading for Cole Caufield and giving up Nils will be the exact same deal of Mcdonagh for Gomez. Just we are now on the side of trading Mcdonagh.

So again i ask you besides posting TOI and all that, Why do you want him for our best trade chip?

Well a RW whose best asset is his shot is sort of the perfect player to play with Panarin...an elite playmaker. He's not putting up points because he's shooting 3.7%. I really don't care how many points he's putting up if he's actually getting shots - and he's doing it. If heeks pthat up the goals will come. He's known for his shot. He's not going to be a 4% shooter. That's what defenseman shoot.

Stop comparing Nils to McDonagh. They are nothing alike. McDonagh was much more highly regarded prospect to Nils.

What? Rangers’ prospect rankings drop - #96 as per some preseason thing

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/ - not in the top 100

THN: Rangers rank #2 prospect system; Schneider top prospect - #39 according to THN

NHL top 50 prospects, 2021 edition: Byfield, Caufield and Power headline Wheeler’s drafted skaters ranking - #34 per The Athletic

It's all over the place. HE's not widely considered some can't miss guy.

Do we have to always overrate our prospects? He's a good prospect. He's been treated like a Rasmus Dahlin level prospect around him for two years. He's nowhere close to that.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

It may not be imminent, but this type of in-depth speculation/negotiation from Larry actually screams that the interest is real and the two teams are decently far along. To me, this adds a lot more fuel to the fire than say, anything Seravalli has tweeted.

Also interesting Cuylle is in this group.

Fair enough, but if you've read Larry's stuff on Miller recently it all comes out more of "This is what I would do" rather than "this is what I'm hearing from my Rangers sources." Very Elliotte Friedman. And honestly Larry hasn't had sources inside of the Rangers for years, and barely even writes about the team any more. I trust Edge much more than Larry. I don't doubt the Rangers would take Miller at their price, but I highly doubt that they are in a "We'll pay anything to get this guy!" situation.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I think there's a reason that Larry and everyone else keeps bandying the names Nils and Krav and Chytil around for Miller - because these players are redundant on this Rangers team and have no future here. Cuylle is someone with a unique skillset who which is going to be very valuable on a playoff team, especially when he is making 900K a year for three years.

Now, for someone not Miller, sure. But JT Miller isn't the difference between this team winning and not winning it all, and he's certainly not a long term solution for this club.

Young, skillful, center that is under control - that's the guy you expend the assets on.

I'm not sure why Chytil and Kravtsov would be considered redundant but Will Cuylle isn't. The Rangers are more in need of young, talented skilled RW and centers than a guy who is known for his physical prowess who might turn out to be a 3rd or 4th liner with sandpaper and maybe a nice shot.

The reason Kravtsov is available is because he's a malcontent, not because of redundancy. Chytil is available because the Rangers aren't thrilled with his development or whatever, not because he's redundant. Nils there is an argument for redundancy, but in all honesty I don't know there's much of a reason why he should be more available than Schneider other than the Rangers prefer to have size on the blueline.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Lets say that's true, it's not really about the direct comparison between the two, but whether or not someone such as Cuylle should be considered to be off the table in a significant trade for someone like Miller. I don't believe he's anywhere near that level a prospect. At that point it's pure prospect hugging for the sake of prospect hugging.

We trade Cuylle and we're gonna be bitching in a year or two about how our third line is shit and why can't we draft effective bottom 6 players that all winning teams have playing at bottom of the market value. Rangers think extremely highly of him and what he will bring.

 

[DanielBrassard]

It may not be imminent, but this type of in-depth speculation/negotiation from Larry actually screams that the interest is real and the two teams are decently far along. To me, this adds a lot more fuel to the fire than say, anything Seravalli has tweeted.

Also interesting Cuylle is in this group.

Larry did the same thing in the offseason with Eichel, so I'm not sure how much his open speculation speaks to what the FO is doing or planning to. But maybe you're right, guess there's one way to find out.

 

[McRanger92]

Does anyone really think Chytil is going to breakout into a top line player if we trade him? He’ll be better than this ultimately but I think you’re looking at a Lars Eller type. Good player but if we’re trading him for a PPG Center in their prime like Miller, it’s not something you’re too upset about

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I'm not sure why Chytil and Kravtsov would be considered redundant but Will Cuylle isn't. The Rangers are more in need of young, talented skilled RW and centers than a guy who is known for his physical prowess who might turn out to be a 3rd or 4th liner with sandpaper and maybe a nice shot.

The reason Kravtsov is available is because he's a malcontent, not because of redundancy. Chytil is available because the Rangers aren't thrilled with his development or whatever, not because he's redundant. Nils there is an argument for redundancy, but in all honesty I don't know there's much of a reason why he should be more available than Schneider other than the Rangers prefer to have size on the blueline.

Kravtsov isn't going to be playing on this team and Chytil will never be the second line center the Rangers wanted him to be, and has failed every time he has been given a chance at a larger assignment. If you want to use a different word than "redundant" fine but the fact of the matter is neither of these two players have a long term future with the Rangers and thus are expendable. Cuylle is a completely different player than those two and will provide much needed depth and diversity to the line up.

 

[Thirty One]

Larry did the same thing in the offseason with Eichel, so I'm not sure how much his open speculation speaks to what the FO is doing or planning to. But maybe you're right, guess there's one way to find out.

Do you doubt the Rangers were in on Eichel?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Larry did the same thing in the offseason with Eichel, so I'm not sure how much his open speculation speaks to what the FO is doing or planning to. But maybe you're right, guess there's one way to find out.

I mean, I don't doubt for a second that the NYR were extremely in on Eichel. That's kind of my point.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Well a RW whose best asset is his shot is sort of the perfect player to play with Panarin...an elite playmaker. He's not putting up points because he's shooting 3.7%. I really don't care how many points he's putting up if he's actually getting shots - and he's doing it. If heeks pthat up the goals will come. He's known for his shot. He's not going to be a 4% shooter. That's what defenseman shoot.

Stop comparing Nils to McDonagh. They are nothing alike. McDonagh was much more highly regarded prospect to Nils.

What? Rangers’ prospect rankings drop - #96 as per some preseason thing

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/ - not in the top 100

THN: Rangers rank #2 prospect system; Schneider top prospect - #39 according to THN

NHL top 50 prospects, 2021 edition: Byfield, Caufield and Power headline Wheeler’s drafted skaters ranking - #34 per The Athletic

It's all over the place. HE's not widely considered some can't miss guy.

Do we have to always overrate our prospects? He's a good prospect. He's been treated like a Rasmus Dahlin level prospect around him for two years. He's nowhere close to that.

Youre showing me the hockey writers who are idiots, The athletic who know nothing about hockey, and some random site that means nothing. THN yes Schneider jumped him, we know that because of his style of play and being the heir to Trouba. Also Nils is redundant for us so he lacks the shine to you.

Nils just because he isnt our top prospect anymore does not make him less valuable. Every team prospect pool is different and Nils would easily be a top prospect for the canadiens. Nils is a great prospect, stop treating him like hes some no name guy.

Cole Caufield cant do anything else and thats my problem. So when he cant score, hes just out there doing nothing else. Not what im interested in. Especially since he shouldnt get top 6 minutes with us. That should be Laf and Kakko. So Caufield would play 3rd line. I just think its bad asset management.

 

[NYR Viper]

@Edge mentioned the Strome camp is looking for a RNH like deal. Looking for. There’s negotiation room. That puts him in to the mid $5’s on cap hit. I’m in on that all day. NMC in years 1-3. NTC beyond that. Try to limit him to 6 years but I’d go 7 to keep the cap hit down.

There really isn’t another option that is that attractive when taking into account the cost to acquire plus their next contract.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Do you doubt the Rangers were in on Eichel?

I think the Rangers interest in Eichel was overstated, if only for the fact that we now know that Pegula was never approving a trade to the Rangers unless we were giving up pieces we never intended to give up. Although Larry, if I recall correctly, was less on the "Rangers are hot for Eichel" train than the Canadian media were.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’m not enamored with going all in on Miller, I’ve mentioned this countless times. In saying that, if the team is dangling Chytil + Lundkvist, that 3rd piece better not be their 1st.

 

[McRanger92]

@Edge mentioned the Strome camp is looking for a RNH like deal. Looking for. There’s negotiation room. That puts him in to the mid $5’s on cap hit. I’m in on that all day. NMC in years 1-3. NTC beyond that. Try to limit him to 6 years but I’d go 7 to keep the cap hit down.

There really isn’t another option that is that attractive when taking into account the cost to acquire plus their next contract.

Strome on this contract with Chytil’s money replaced by Miller retained (thru Van or another team) should be the plan imo.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

@Edge mentioned the Strome camp is looking for a RNH like deal. Looking for. There’s negotiation room. That puts him in to the mid $5’s on cap hit. I’m in on that all day. NMC in years 1-3. NTC beyond that. Try to limit him to 6 years but I’d go 7 to keep the cap hit down.

There really isn’t another option that is that attractive when taking into account the cost to acquire plus their next contract.

God i beg you, no thank you. He isnt a center. cant win faceoffs, cant play defense, cant go into the dirty areas. Not what i want in our #2 center.

 

[RangerBoy]

Does Vancouver even want Lundkvist? Quinn Hughes is not a big D. The Canucks have two smallish D prospects in the minors. Jack Rathbone and Jett Woo. Lundkvist is probably better than those two players but VAN has Hughes.

Elliotte Friedman was on The NHL network this afternoon. He said there are more sellers than buyers this year. The cap space around The NHL is so limited. He said Calgary traded for Toffoli because Gaudreau is a free agent this summer and Tkachuk is a group II this summer. He become a group III in 2023. Los Angeles also was interested in a Toffoli reunion.

 

[Thirty One]

@Edge mentioned the Strome camp is looking for a RNH like deal. Looking for. There’s negotiation room. That puts him in to the mid $5’s on cap hit. I’m in on that all day. NMC in years 1-3. NTC beyond that. Try to limit him to 6 years but I’d go 7 to keep the cap hit down.

That's not a RNH-like deal though. You're taking the part of the contract you like (AAV) and leaving the concessions the Oilers made to get the AAV that low.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

@Edge mentioned the Strome camp is looking for a RNH like deal. Looking for. There’s negotiation room. That puts him in to the mid $5’s on cap hit. I’m in on that all day. NMC in years 1-3. NTC beyond that. Try to limit him to 6 years but I’d go 7 to keep the cap hit down.

There really isn’t another option that is that attractive when taking into account the cost to acquire plus their next contract.

We have a war chest, especially if we don't go chasing year and a half guys like JT Miller, to go get what we want because we've been acquiring assets for so many years. I would much rather trade from there to get someone better than just settle for Strome. Teams that settle don't win anything.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I mean, I don't doubt for a second that the NYR were extremely in on Eichel. That's kind of my point.

I'm not even sure what I am trying to argue lol, you're right. I guess I took issue with "far along" but that's petty. I am still scarred from the Eichel negotiations please forgive me HatTrick lol.

 

[SA16]

Youre showing me the hockey writers who are idiots, The athletic who know nothing about hockey, and some random site that means nothing. THN yes Schneider jumped him, we know that because of his style of play and being the heir to Trouba. Also Nils is redundant for us so he lacks the shine to you.

Nils just because he isnt our top prospect anymore does not make him less valuable. Every team prospect pool is different and Nils would easily be a top prospect for the canadiens. Nils is a great prospect, stop treating him like hes some no name guy.

Cole Caufield cant do anything else and thats my problem. So when he cant score, hes just out there doing nothing else. Not what im interested in. Especially since he shouldnt get top 6 minutes with us. That should be Laf and Kakko. So Caufield would play 3rd line. I just think its bad asset management.

So like four sites independent sites with no correlation to each other know absolutely nothing yet somehow you are the authority that he is an absolutely elite prospect? This is the same argument as when people say the "insiders" don't know what they are talking about because they report speculation that people disagree with (i.e. Writer X clearly has no sources if he is saying the Rangers are talking about Kakko/Nils/Schneider or whoever...they would never trade him).

He's a good prospect. Nobody considers him a top 10 prospect. Nobody really considers him a top 20 prospect. He plays our strongest position. He's the perfect trade chip. If you don't like Caufield that's obviously fine but you also clearly have an agenda against him since you made up things about his top 6 time which was blatantly false.

 

[RGY]

I think we would have to pay for Giroux entirely to MAYBE get COL to agree to give us Newhook.

To COL: Giroux (NYR retain 50%)

To PHI: NYR 1st, Lundkvist, Kravtsov

To NYR: Newhook

COL probably still says no.

This is straight up an awful trade proposal. No if’s, and’s, or but’s about it.

 

[RangersFan1994]

$6.5M AAV. Gallagher has 5 more seasons remaining on his contract.

I know his contract makes this unlikely to happen. Rangers should look for that same style of player. They need more net front in the playoffs. This fancy shit does not work much in the playoffs.

 

[Alluckks]

Please tell me why you want Caufield?

I'm bored