Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII - 5 weeks until TDL

[Chalfdiggity3]

Lundkvist and both 2nds for Lehkonen and Caufield

Please tell me why you want Caufield?

 

[DanielBrassard]

Doesn't sound like anything close. Good, keep him please.

He's right in principle about Miller's value but the Flames didn't overpay for Toffoli. Plus why is he insinuating Will Cuylle's someone who should not be a part of a Miller deal? That would be idiotic if he was a dealbreaker.

 

[Barnaby]

Ritchie has 1 less year remaining on his contract. The buyout might be preferable to buying out Nemeth, if it comes to that. It depends on how they want to allocate the money.

Ritchie would cost 300k and 1.1 mil. Nemeth would be 1 mil, 0, 1 mil and 1 mil.

That’s the only real consideration for me. I do think that as a defenseman Nemeth is probably easier to move. Maybe the extra year makes them about even. Nemeth was a lousy deal before the ink was dry. They tried to get too cute finding Nils a perfect fit.

 

[mike14]

2 x ongoing roster building threads kind of feels like overkill...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Go ahead then, who are you targeting for our best trade piece in Nils? A kid who again cant skate, cant play defense, small, cant win puck battles, and his best attribute his shot is nonexistent.

That description sounds an awful lot like nils too tbh.

I wouldn’t trade him for caufield, but they have other players who are good

 

[McRanger92]

Doesn't sound like anything close. Good, keep him please.

Drury/Sather having Brooksie do their negotiating in the media. I think the Rangers will ultimately get their man if they want him

 

[Anthony5967]

I know. Just saying that the Rangers can use another go to the net type of forward. Always liked his style of play.

Ritchie is a bum. Cassidy had to tell him in the playoffs to start going to the net more. Shouldn’t have to tell a guy that big that.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I think we would have to pay for Giroux entirely to MAYBE get COL to agree to give us Newhook.

To COL: Giroux (NYR retain 50%)

To PHI: NYR 1st, Lundkvist, Kravtsov

To NYR: Newhook

COL probably still says no.

This is horrible for the Rangers. We're not dealing for Zegras here. Newhook hasn't done anything to justify that kind of value outside of being a center.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Ritchie is a bum. Cassidy had to tell him in the playoffs to start going to the net more. Shouldn’t have to tell a guy that big that.

That was talking about Gallagher not Ritchie.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

He's right in principle about Miller's value but the Flames didn't overpay for Toffoli. Plus why is he insinuating Will Cuylle's someone who should not be a part of a Miller deal? That would be idiotic if he was a dealbreaker.

Cuylle is going to be a valuable, low salary player for this team when they desperately need those types to fill out the lineup. Personally, I wouldn't trade much for Miller. I hope the Canucks keep their asking price sky high and the Rangers save their assets for when a real big fish comes along.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Cuylle is going to be a valuable, low salary player for this team when they desperately need those types to fill out the lineup. Personally, I wouldn't trade much for Miller. I hope the Canucks keep their asking price sky high and the Rangers save their assets for when a real big fish comes along.

I don't have a problem with that line of thinking, if you want to save the assets for someone who is a bigger fish than Miller. But it doesn't seem as if the Rangers are of the same mindset, and if they truly want to make a deal happen for Miller or someone like him, Will Cuylle of all people should not be off limits.

 

[Thirty One]

He's right in principle about Miller's value but the Flames didn't overpay for Toffoli. Plus why is he insinuating Will Cuylle's someone who should not be a part of a Miller deal? That would be idiotic if he was a dealbreaker.

There is no law that says the Rangers are now going to throw Schneider or Othmann or Cuylle or Kjellberg or Hajek into the deal just because Calgary may have overpaid for Toffoli.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I don't have a problem with that line of thinking, if you want to save the assets for someone who is a bigger fish than Miller. But it doesn't seem as if the Rangers are of the same mindset, and if they truly want to make a deal happen for Miller or someone like him, Will Cuylle of all people should not be off limits.

I kind of find it baffling that Chytil is being treated like a throw in while Cuylle is untouchable.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I kind of find it baffling that Chytil is being treated like a throw in while Cuylle is untouchable.

It's your typical Overrating Prospects Syndrome. It'd be a win if Cuylle turned out to be as valuable as Chytil has been. I get contract status plays a role too but it's really not that hard to find cheap useful talent either in UFA to fill out the bottom of the lineup.

 

[Machinehead]

It's your typical Overrating Prospects Syndrome. It'd be a win if Cuylle turned out to be as valuable as Chytil has been. I get contract status plays a role too but it's really not that hard to find cheap useful talent either in UFA to fill out the bottom of the lineup.

I get what you're saying in general but I don't know if it applies here.

Cuylle has the chance to be more than a nothing third liner. Chytil has pretty well demonstrated that that's what he is.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I don't have a problem with that line of thinking, if you want to save the assets for someone who is a bigger fish than Miller. But it doesn't seem as if the Rangers are of the same mindset, and if they truly want to make a deal happen for Miller or someone like him, Will Cuylle of all people should not be off limits.

I think there's a reason that Larry and everyone else keeps bandying the names Nils and Krav and Chytil around for Miller - because these players are redundant on this Rangers team and have no future here. Cuylle is someone with a unique skillset who which is going to be very valuable on a playoff team, especially when he is making 900K a year for three years.

Now, for someone not Miller, sure. But JT Miller isn't the difference between this team winning and not winning it all, and he's certainly not a long term solution for this club.

Young, skillful, center that is under control - that's the guy you expend the assets on.

 

[Thirty One]

I get what you're saying in general but I don't know if it applies here.

Cuylle has the chance to be more than a nothing third liner. Chytil has pretty well demonstrated that that's what he is.

Kid's 22 years old. He has not.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Would anyone do Lundkvist, Kravstov, Nemeth (cap reasons) and 1st in 22 to Hawks for Hagel and Strome?

 

[Machinehead]

Kid's 22 years old. He has not.

He's 22 years old but he's in his fifth season with very little improvement.

 

[haohmaru]

Kid's 22 years old. He has not.

That's like being 30 around here.

 

[SA16]

He is bad because all he has is his shot. Watch him play. He cant win board battles, coasts on the defensive side of the puck, is slow, and doesnt add anything to this team.

Great he has as many points as kakko and Laf while they have been playing on lower lines, caufield has been on the top 2 and top PP unit.

This would be exactly like us trading Mcdonagh away for Scott Gomez.

What gives you the idea Kakko and Laf have been on lower lines than Caufield?

Caufield - 384 TOI this year: 136 mins with Suzuki. 20 mins with Dvorak. - 40% TOI in the top 6

Kakko - 507 TOI this year: 243 with Strome. 33 with Zibanejad. 54% TOI in the top 6

Lafreniere 529 TOI this year: 239 with Zibanejad. 92 with strome. 62% in the top 6.

We complain at their usage. His usage has been even worse. YEs, he's been PP1 recently but not all year.

And Lundkvist is nothing like McDonagh. McDonagh was rated as one of the top prospects in the league. 18th per some HF ranking (Rangers Prospect Review: Ryan McDonagh). Nils is not that. He wasn't even in the top 100 as the hockey writers january update.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

What gives you the idea Kakko and Laf have been on lower lines than Caufield?

Caufield - 384 TOI this year: 136 mins with Suzuki. 20 mins with Dvorak. - 40% TOI in the top 6

Kakko - 507 TOI this year: 243 with Strome. 33 with Zibanejad. 54% TOI in the top 6

Lafreniere 529 TOI this year: 239 with Zibanejad. 92 with strome. 62% in the top 6.

We complain at their usage. His usage has been even worse. YEs, he's been PP1 recently but not all year.

Okay, so all three are underperforming but again i ask you... Why are you trading for Cole Caufield who is a winger who is underperforming and cant do anything else on the ice than put up points which he has been unable to do for our best trade chip?

We need a #2 center. Strome wants RNH money and he sure as hell is not worth that. Nils should be moved in a deal for that center. Or just hold onto him, let him switch sides and allow him to acclimate to North American hockey. Just like he did in the SHL it will take him a year to get used to everything.

To me, trading for Cole Caufield and giving up Nils will be the exact same deal of Mcdonagh for Gomez. Just we are now on the side of trading Mcdonagh.

So again i ask you besides posting TOI and all that, Why do you want him for our best trade chip?

 

[GAGLine]

He's 22 years old but he's in his fifth season with very little improvement.

Yet if he had been playing in other leagues the last 4 years and tearing it up, he'd be an untouchable. He doesn't get PP1 time. He rarely gets top 6 time.

Look at a guy like William Karlsson. 47 points in 165 games with Columbus. At age 24, he put up 43 goals and 78 points with Vegas. That's not to say that Chytil would do the same given the same opportunity, but we don't really know what he's capable of. He has had some good scoring runs when he's been in the top 6.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Doesn't sound like anything close. Good, keep him please.

It may not be imminent, but this type of in-depth speculation/negotiation from Larry actually screams that the interest is real and the two teams are decently far along. To me, this adds a lot more fuel to the fire than say, anything Seravalli has tweeted.

Also interesting Cuylle is in this group.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I get what you're saying in general but I don't know if it applies here.

Cuylle has the chance to be more than a nothing third liner. Chytil has pretty well demonstrated that that's what he is.

Lets say that's true, it's not really about the direct comparison between the two, but whether or not someone such as Cuylle should be considered to be off the table in a significant trade for someone like Miller. I don't believe he's anywhere near that level a prospect. At that point it's pure prospect hugging for the sake of prospect hugging.