Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII - 5 weeks until TDL

[HatTrick Swayze]

I'm not even sure what I am trying to argue lol, you're right. I guess I took issue with "far along" but that's petty. I am still scarred from the Eichel negotiations please forgive me HatTrick lol.

Haha, I hear you, all good

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Does Vancouver even want Lundkvist? Quinn Hughes is not a big D. The Canucks have two smallish D prospects in the minors. Jack Rathbone and Jett Woo. Lundkvist is probably better than those two players but VAN has Hughes.

Elliotte Friedman was on The NHL network this afternoon. He said there are more sellers than buyers this year. The cap space around The NHL is so limited. He said Calgary traded for Toffoli because Gaudreau is a free agent this summer and Tkachuk is a group II this summer. He become a group III in 2023. Los Angeles also was interested in a Toffoli reunion.

From what i have heard on NHL radio around 4pm when they were discussing the deal. I cant remember who it was but they believed that Tkachuk and Johnny hockey will not be there past their current contacts

 

[Kovalev27]

@Edge mentioned the Strome camp is looking for a RNH like deal. Looking for. There’s negotiation room. That puts him in to the mid $5’s on cap hit. I’m in on that all day. NMC in years 1-3. NTC beyond that. Try to limit him to 6 years but I’d go 7 to keep the cap hit down.

There really isn’t another option that is that attractive when taking into account the cost to acquire plus their next contract.

If Strome wants term at 5 mil he’s going to get it from Drury. He’s earned that

 

[Tob]

Hagel is a very good player on an insanely valuable contract for another 2 years. I'm not surprised that is the asking price for him. As always what defines a top prospect is subjective but if it included the likes of Kravtsov/Lundkvist I would be willing to meet it.

no top prospect really ever gets dealt. That's exactly the definition.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

So like four sites independent sites with no correlation to each other know absolutely nothing yet somehow you are the authority that he is an absolutely elite prospect? This is the same argument as when people say the "insiders" don't know what they are talking about because they report speculation that people disagree with (i.e. Writer X clearly has no sources if he is saying the Rangers are talking about Kakko/Nils/Schneider or whoever...they would never trade him).

He's a good prospect. Nobody considers him a top 10 prospect. Nobody really considers him a top 20 prospect. He plays our strongest position. He's the perfect trade chip. If you don't like Caufield that's obviously fine but you also clearly have an agenda against him since you made up things about his top 6 time which was blatantly false.

Why would the Canadiens give him up then for Nils? Especially if the Canadiens are rebuilding, wouldnt they rather have the sniper you are preaching for rather than the crap prospect in Nils?

Yes thats the truth. Have you seen these sites when they report on the rangers? They know nothing of our team therefore to me they know nothing of our prospects. Everything i have read from them has been back handed insults to us. "Tom Wilson is the reason we are what we are".. No Drury has a different plan and outlook for this team. Wanted players in the right positions and to add grit and playoff experience to the team. It goes on and on besides this idiocy.

And again yes the insiders dont know shit about us either. We have no legit beat writers. Uncle larry is a hack, you got an isles fan as a beat writer, molly who doesnt get any stories. Im not saying i am the authority. What i am saying is when you read the trash they put out about us on a consistent basis and see them guessing about trade possibilities you can see that they dont know what they are talking about.

I asked a simple question as to why you would trade our best trade chip for Cole Caulfield. You brought up that he can shoot. I said he does absolutely nothing else, wouldnt get pp1 time, and would most def be playing 3rd line. Now you say i have an agenda against him. Im telling you what i see, i think its terrible asset management. Esp with Strome asking for RNH type money and contract.

You use Nil, 1st, kravy, 2nd, Roberston, next years 1st, whatever the combo is and go get the cost controlled young center that we absolutley need.

Thats what you use the assets for.

 

[Mac n Gs]

This is horrible for the Rangers. We're not dealing for Zegras here. Newhook hasn't done anything to justify that kind of value outside of being a center.

The problem also lies in the fact that there’s absurd notion among our fanbase that we’re going to die if we don’t get centers immediately to have for 10+ years. The team needs good players, plain and simple. It’s irrelevant whether they are a wing or a center when we’re routinely watching guys like Hunt and McKegg be played consistently above their level on a game-by-game basis.

Minnesota turned Ryan Hartman, who was a depth RW in Chicago and Nashville, into their 1C because they surrounded him with good players. We have a good young player in Chytil who is having the worst shooting percentage spike of his career, and people are ready to get rid of him as if he’s suddenly stagnated at 22 years old and will never improve. He’ll stop shooting 4% next year and everyone will be apoplectic that Drury traded him and how they can’t believe that we couldn’t “develop” him like that.

People want all of the rewards of a rebuild without actually wanting to go through the process that’s required for players to actually hit their peak. We just showed that we can do this with Zibanejad and Strome, and it should be expected that we can do it with the others. Just keep your good players, play them, and stop making obviously bad lineup decisions because of stupid hockey notions like guys can’t switch sides, you need grit, etc.

 

[Thirty One]

no top prospect really ever gets dealt. That's exactly the definition.

Let me tell you a story about how the best prospect in the league's HISTORY got dealt TWICE on the SAME DAY.

 

[SA16]

Yes thats the truth. Have you seen these sites when they report on the rangers? They know nothing of our team therefore to me they know nothing of our prospects. Everything i have read from them has been back handed insults to us. "Tom Wilson is the reason we are what we are".. No Drury has a different plan and outlook for this team. Wanted players in the right positions and to add grit and playoff experience to the team. It goes on and on besides this idiocy.

And again yes the insiders dont know shit about us either. We have no legit beat writers. Uncle larry is a hack, you got an isles fan as a beat writer, molly who doesnt get any stories. Im not saying i am the authority. What i am saying is when you read the trash they put out about us on a consistent basis and see them guessing about trade possibilities you can see that they dont know what they are talking about.

I asked a simple question as to why you would trade our best trade chip for Cole Caulfield. You brought up that he can shoot. I said he does absolutely nothing else, wouldnt get pp1 time, and would most def be playing 3rd line. Now you say i have an agenda against him. Im telling you what i see, i think its terrible asset management. Esp with Strome asking for RNH type money and contract.

You use Nil, 1st, kravy, 2nd, Roberston, next years 1st, whatever the combo is and go get the cost controlled young center that we absolutley need.

Thats what you use the assets for.

I never said I would trade Lundkvist for Caufield. I said I would look to trade Lundkvist since he plays our strongest position and I disagreed with your take on Caufield being bad at basically everything. I'm not sure if I would make that trade or not.

But you seem to be under the impression that literally nobody knows anything and everyone is wrong and when the options are either:

1. Everyone is wrong
2. You are wrong.

The answer is likely door number 2.

 

[CLW]

I get what you're saying in general but I don't know if it applies here.

Cuylle has the chance to be more than a nothing third liner. Chytil has pretty well demonstrated that that's what he is.

Chytil can become a kind of Tuch style winger if he adds upper body strength and learns to put people through the boards. He has the speed etc. The question is do the Rangers have the inclination and patience to wait out that development for another two/three seasons. That's a valuable player to have. It's also a roll of the dice if it works.

 

[Tob]

Let me tell you a story about how the best prospect in the league's HISTORY got dealt TWICE on the SAME DAY.

what?

 

[Thirty One]

what?

Let me tell you a story about how the best prospect in the league's HISTORY got dealt TWICE on the SAME DAY.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Let me tell you a story about how the best prospect in the league's HISTORY got dealt TWICE on the SAME DAY.

Canucks are going to flip Kravtsov right after we trade him for Bozo?

 

[MrPodz]

I think we would have to pay for Giroux entirely to MAYBE get COL to agree to give us Newhook.

To COL: Giroux (NYR retain 50%)

To PHI: NYR 1st, Lundkvist, Kravtsov

To NYR: Newhook

COL probably still says no.

This is an L trade for the rangers. Why would we retain and give away all our pieces for... just newhook?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

what?

Lindros

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I never said I would trade Lundkvist for Caufield. I said I would look to trade Lundkvist since he plays our strongest position and I disagreed with your take on Caufield being bad at basically everything. I'm not sure if I would make that trade or not.

But you seem to be under the impression that literally nobody knows anything and everyone is wrong and when the options are either:

1. Everyone is wrong
2. You are wrong.

The answer is likely door number 2.

No youre just a poster who butted into a question that was meant for someone else as to why you would trade our best trade asset for Caufield. Meanwhile you have defended caufield like he is the 2nd coming and still has no answer to the fact that he does not play defense, cant win board battles, and is slow.. he is legit nothing but his shot.

Great guess im wrong then and our insiders know exactly what is going on with our team.

I hope we do trade for him and for Nils. That way when Nils becomes a very solid top 4 dman and Caufield ends up in the AHL then out of the league, i guess we will see who is right and who is wrong.

Because if montreal is trading him and they are rebuilding wouldnt they want to have this so called budding superstar that you obviously think he is going to be.

 

[SA16]

No youre just a poster who butted into a question that was meant for someone else as to why you would trade our best trade asset for Caufield. Meanwhile you have defended caufield like he is the 2nd coming and still has no answer to the fact that he does not play defense, cant win board battles, and is slow.. he is legit nothing but his shot.

Great guess im wrong then and our insiders know exactly what is going on with our team.

I hope we do trade for him and for Nils. That way when Nils becomes a very solid top 4 dman and Caufield ends up in the AHL then out of the league, i guess we will see who is right and who is wrong.

Because if montreal is trading him and they are rebuilding wouldnt they want to have this so called budding superstar that you obviously think he is going to be.

Sadly I am going to have to conclude the conversation here as I struggle to talk with people who have particularly poor reading skills.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Let me tell you a story about how the best prospect in the league's HISTORY got dealt TWICE on the SAME DAY.

One more time please

 

[Thirty One]

One more time please

The player is Eric Lindros of the Quebec Nordiques.

 

[Tob]

The player is Eric Lindros of the Quebec Nordiques.

who

 

[egelband]

Stone to LTIR for Vegas, Eichel in Wednesday

TBH this loophole doesn’t bother me at all. Would like the league to be a little more open about it, but at the end of the day, i just wish the rangers would sometimes have the ace up the sleeve.

 

[jay from jersey]

id start off with Lundkvist and go see if that start the talks.

I’d 100% do that trade.

 

[NYR Viper]

That's not a RNH-like deal though. You're taking the part of the contract you like (AAV) and leaving the concessions the Oilers made to get the AAV that low.

He said that’s what his camp was looking for. Generally I take that to mean that’s their opening volley. So I’d expect slightly less than what RNH got in terms of value. Also it’s NY vs. Edmonton. There’s some value there too…

 

[Daves a mess]

I’m not enamored with going all in on Miller, I’ve mentioned this countless times. In saying that, if the team is dangling Chytil + Lundkvist, that 3rd piece better not be their 1st.

Better not be Othmann in my book. The 1st means much less to me than that guy.

 

[NYR Viper]

Better not be Othmann in my book. The 1st means much less to me than that guy.

I’d stand fast at a 2nd. Or they can take someone like Robertson in lieu of Lundkvist

 

[Paul Padovano]

Let me tell you a story about how the best prospect in the league's HISTORY got dealt TWICE on the SAME DAY.

Please do!