Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII - 5 weeks until TDL

[RickChartraw]

Another left wing. Just what we need.

C’mon man!

but we can move him to RW.

 

[McRanger92]

Super curious RE: JT Miller.

I admit a certain bias being on the west coast. But what would the actual willing price be for a player that is above PPG, $5.25 million cost controlled to the end of next season a Centre/pivot capable of playing both wings and 21st in league scoring right now?

From a NYR fan's stand point, what would the satisfactory return be for a player of that calibre?

Only reason I am asking is because of the expectations of the Van fan base verging on beyond underwhelming to he's not MacDavid calm down; so I was hoping to get a perspective from the other side of the fence

Nils Kravtsov 1st seems like the middle ground because both sides hate it and the tea leaves say that’s the Rangers offer

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

God i beg you, no thank you. He isnt a center. cant win faceoffs, cant play defense, cant go into the dirty areas. Not what i want in our #2 center.

Look, I get the issues with Strome I do, but seriously? He's not a center? I have issues with his consistency in his effort and his penchant for over passing, but if Strome hasn't convinced you he's a legitimate center in this league (and a good one ) then I just really think you're not being reasonable. Perhaps more than anyone on this team the past few years, Strome has really proven himself to be more than any of us expected.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Like I said, Giroux was never telling Philly to send him to a rival.

Looks like he said send me as far from my wife as possible

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Super curious RE: JT Miller.

I admit a certain bias being on the west coast. But what would the actual willing price be for a player that is above PPG, $5.25 million cost controlled to the end of next season a Centre/pivot capable of playing both wings and 21st in league scoring right now?

From a NYR fan's stand point, what would the satisfactory return be for a player of that calibre?

Only reason I am asking is because of the expectations of the Van fan base verging on beyond underwhelming to he's not MacDavid calm down; so I was hoping to get a perspective from the other side of the fence

The high end pieces the Rangers are most likely offering:

1st round pick
Nils Lundkvist
Vitali Kravtsov
Filip Chytil

We know the 1st rounder will probably be in the low end of the draft, but still it's a first round pick. Good value.

Nils Lundkvist (former 1st round pick, 28 overall) is a borderline blue chip prospect, 21 years old was great in the SHL and has definite top 4 upside. Seems like an Anton Stralman type all around defensive guy who can also pop in on the PP and has a good shot. He's a high end prospect.

Kravtsov (former 1st round pick, 9 overall) is a very talented player that the Rangers really could use themselves. Off ice issues have led to him wanting out. He's a high end prospect that is at a reduced value because it's known he wants out. He has top 6 upside for sure, could see him being a good fit with Petterson actually - he plays a similar silky style.

Filip Chytil is 23 (former 1st round pick, 21 overall) and has already played 224 games in the NHL. He's a very talented player who is a horse, very strong and powerful skater. Has had issues with finding consistency, to be expected as he's a young kid on a rebuilding team. I could see him staying a solid 3C who is an Artem Anisimov level player as his floor but if he can take that next step he could definitely be a good 2C, I still believe he will be I just wonder if it has to come somewhere else. Just depends if he's able to find the consistency.

These are very valuable assets and would be a good assortment of a return. The only reason people think these are low ball offers is because the Rangers have such a strong system with all the young talent they've accrued over the rebuild.

 

[bl02]

Nils Kravtsov 1st seems like the middle ground because both sides hate it and the tea leaves say that’s the Rangers offer

If you would have told me 4 years ago (or whenever we traded Miller) that we would essentially be trading 3 first round picks for him in 2022 just as our rebuild was starting to pay some dividends I would have said you're beyond crazy...and I still think it's a not a great idea. I hope we remain a bit more patient and not give valuable cost controlled assets (specifically Nils and the first) unless it's for a younger center/right winger.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Hasn’t Dater been getting things wrong left and right the last few years?

Not when it comes to the Avs. He might be a pernicious drunk but when it comes to the Avs he's legit.

 

[Synergy27]

What's the flavor of the week?

Who are we trading Kravtsov, Nils and a 1st for?

Ryder, Halak, and a second.

Edit: f*** you guys I’m slow but I’m leaving this here anyway.

 

[bobbop]

As much as I’d like to see Giroux on the Rangers, I never saw that as a real possibility. Colorado is likely loading up. Makes sense.

Can he play goal?

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Like I said, Giroux was never telling Philly to send him to a rival.

NY Rangers announce new service.

 

[bobbop]

The one thing that Montreal accomplished (that will help the Rangers) is kick starting the trade market. Calgary was one of the handful of teams willing to deal for a top six forward. Now there is one less.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

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NY Rangers announce new service.

Ready willing and able to launder your cap hits! Seriously the Rangers can take 4 million of his cap hit and it wouldn't even put a dent in our deadline space. Turn around and trade those assets for the rentals you want.

 

[JackTColton]

The high end pieces the Rangers are most likely offering:

1st round pick
Nils Lundkvist
Vitali Kravtsov
Filip Chytil

We know the 1st rounder will probably be in the low end of the draft, but still it's a first round pick. Good value.

Nils Lundkvist (former 1st round pick, 28 overall) is a borderline blue chip prospect, 21 years old was great in the SHL and has definite top 4 upside. Seems like an Anton Stralman type all around defensive guy who can also pop in on the PP and has a good shot. He's a high end prospect.

Kravtsov (former 1st round pick, 9 overall) is a very talented player that the Rangers really could use themselves. Off ice issues have led to him wanting out. He's a high end prospect that is at a reduced value because it's known he wants out. He has top 6 upside for sure, could see him being a good fit with Petterson actually - he plays a similar silky style.

Filip Chytil is 23 and has already played 224 games in the NHL. He's a very talented player who is a horse, very strong and powerful skater. Has had issues with finding consistency, to be expected as he's a young kid on a rebuilding team. I could see him staying a solid 3C who is an Artem Anisimov level player as his floor but if he can take that next step he could definitely be a good 2C, I still believe he will be I just wonder if it has to come somewhere else. Just depends if he's able to find the consistency.

These are very valuable assets and would be a good assortment of a return. The only reason people think these are low ball offers is because the Rangers have such a strong system with all the young talent they've accrued over the rebuild.

If I’m VAN, I’m asking for Lafreniere and Schneider in this deal. And yeah, Miller is worth it cause it gives NYR a PROVEN monster performer for 2 playoff runs. All’s he does is score and set up other guys who score.
Look what CGY just gave up for Toffoli.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

If I’m VAN, I’m asking for Lafreniere and Schneider in this deal. And yeah, Miller is worth it cause it gives NYR a PROVEN monster performer for 2 playoff runs. All’s he does is score and set up other guys who score.
Look what CGY just gave up for Toffoli.

Hahaha, we aren't giving up either of those players, and no, he's not worth that.

 

[rangerfan_79]

If I’m VAN, I’m asking for Lafreniere and Schneider in this deal. And yeah, Miller is worth it cause it gives NYR a PROVEN monster performer for 2 playoff runs. All’s he does is score and set up other guys who score.
Look what CGY just gave up for Toffoli.

12 messages...your off to a rockin' start with this beauty.

 

[Guyute]

If I’m VAN, I’m asking for Lafreniere and Schneider in this deal. And yeah, Miller is worth it cause it gives NYR a PROVEN monster performer for 2 playoff runs. All’s he does is score and set up other guys who score.
Look what CGY just gave up for Toffoli.

Toffoli has an extra year at an AAV of only $4.25.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Look, I get the issues with Strome I do, but seriously? He's not a center? I have issues with his consistency in his effort and his penchant for over passing, but if Strome hasn't convinced you he's a legitimate center in this league (and a good one ) then I just really think you're not being reasonable. Perhaps more than anyone on this team the past few years, Strome has really proven himself to be more than any of us expected.

Maybe but to me a top 6 center is someone who can contribute offensively, be defensively responsible, and good on the draw. To me he has 1 of the 3 qualities that you need to be as a center in my eyes. When you are hovering around 45% on the dot and dont play defense i cant say want to give him a 8yr deal worth around 50million dollars, I dont see him as someone i want to dish out that cap hit to.

I feel that there will be someone actually worth paying the price of our 1st, robertson, Nils, and a 2nd for at the center position during the offseason and at the draft.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

If I’m VAN, I’m asking for Lafreniere and Schneider in this deal. And yeah, Miller is worth it cause it gives NYR a PROVEN monster performer for 2 playoff runs. All’s he does is score and set up other guys who score.
Look what CGY just gave up for Toffoli.

Who asked?

 

[mike14]

24 pts separate Strome and Miller over the past 3 seasons (including this one), so 8 pts a season.
If Miller really is worth the #1 draft pick 2 years after his draft, and a very good D prospect then Drury HAS to trade Strome for what should be a similar package....

Strome to Seattle for Berniers and Dunn?

 

[SA16]

As much as I’d like to see Giroux on the Rangers, I never saw that as a real possibility. Colorado is likely loading up. Makes sense.

Can he play goal?

He can not play goal which is a good thing as the avalanche do not need a goalie.

 

[Alluckks]

If I’m VAN, I’m asking for Lafreniere and Schneider in this deal. And yeah, Miller is worth it cause it gives NYR a PROVEN monster performer for 2 playoff runs. All’s he does is score and set up other guys who score.
Look what CGY just gave up for Toffoli.

lmao what

 

[TheBloodyNine]

24 pts separate Strome and Miller over the past 3 seasons (including this one), so 8 pts a season.
If Miller really is worth the #1 draft pick 2 years after his draft, and a very good D prospect then Drury HAS to trade Strome for what should be a similar package....

Strome to Seattle for Berniers and Dunn?

To me? Not worth it.

 

[bobbop]

Miller is not the same player who left the Rangers 4 years ago. I’m ready to swallow a little pride and take him back. I see a lot of the Canucks and he has become a terrific player. Something I never expected.

It’s not going to be cheap (and no they are not trading Lafreniere or Kakko) but add him to the current mix and it makes the Rangers a very dangerous team. Very dangerous.

I just don’t know if Vancouver is ready to throw in the towel on this season yet.

 

[mike14]

I loved the Miller pick, loved how he was developing as a Ranger, hated that he apparently had a beef with the coach and so we turfed him, then turfed the coach afterwards, and really, really hated the return we got for him (basically nothing). I've also loved watching him continue to develop in Van and believe he'd be a great asset to the Rangers. But would I give up Laf and Schneider for 2 cup runs, with absolutely no guarantee we'd even get out of the East in either one, let alone win one? Hell no

 

[EdJovanovski]

Buchnevich >>>>> Miller