Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII - 5 weeks until TDL

[Lgrsean]

If I’m VAN, I’m asking for Lafreniere and Schneider in this deal. And yeah, Miller is worth it cause it gives NYR a PROVEN monster performer for 2 playoff runs. All’s he does is score and set up other guys who score.
Look what CGY just gave up for Toffoli.

OK. But say immediately after you made that ridiculous request as VAN, you suddenly become NYR. What do you do?

Now you’re VAN again! You’ve been hung up on! There’s a bag on your porch. It’s on fire!! WHAT DO YOU DO?!?

NOW YOURE NYR. VAN IS STOMPING ON THE SHIT YOU JUST SET ON FIRE ON THEIR PORCH. WHAT DO YOUR SHOES SMELL LIKE?

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

If I’m VAN, I’m asking for Lafreniere and Schneider in this deal. And yeah, Miller is worth it cause it gives NYR a PROVEN monster performer for 2 playoff runs. All’s he does is score and set up other guys who score.
Look what CGY just gave up for Toffoli.

Keep your troll posts on the main boards.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

If I’m VAN, I’m asking for Lafreniere and Schneider in this deal.

LOL, ain't happening.

 

[smoneil]

Miller is not the same player who left the Rangers 4 years ago. I’m ready to swallow a little pride and take him back. I see a lot of the Canucks and he has become a terrific player. Something I never expected.

It’s not going to be cheap (and no they are not trading Lafreniere or Kakko) but add him to the current mix and it makes the Rangers a very dangerous team. Very dangerous.

I just don’t know if Vancouver is ready to throw in the towel on this season yet.

Be that as it may (Miller's change), it doesn't change the fact that this team has no playoff experience. I know people like to dismiss things like playoff experience and/or team chemistry (not you bobbop), but here's some food for thought.

The Rangers have missed the playoffs four years running. No team has won the Stanley Cup after missing the post-season that many times in a row (at least not in the last 30-ish years, which is how far back I checked). It hasn't even been close, actually. Aside from one team, nobody who hoisted Lord Stanley had missed the playoffs more than 1 season before the Cup run (and even that was rare). Since the 2005 return from the lockout, these are the Cup winners and their playoff experience leading up to the Cup runs:

Carolina: The only team on this list to miss the playoffs more than once before a Cup win. They missed twice, both times before the lockout. The year before that, they went to the SCF. This was an odd season, where half the league had career years due to the new rules being called tightly.

Anaheim: Made the playoffs in 2 of the previous 3 seasons (including a trip to the SCF)

Detroit: Hadn't missed the playoffs in 16 years

Pens: Made the playoffs in 2 of the 3 seasons before winning the Cup

Chicago: 1 of the last 4 (though that 1 was the season prior, when they went to the Conference Finals).

Bruins: Three in a row

Kings: Two in a row

Chicago: Four in a row

Kings: Four in a row

Chicago: six in a row

Pens: 9 times in a row

Pens: 10 times in a row

Caps: 9 of the last 10 before winning

BLUES: 6 of the last 7 before winning

TBL: 5 of the last 6

TBL: 6 of the last 7

Experience matters. This Rangers' team, while plucky, doesn't have it. So should they add a moderate piece in the hopes of winning a round or two? Sure. Should they go all in after the biggest rental fish, in the hopes that they will be the first team in at least ~30 years to win a Cup after four years out of the playoffs? Not if Drury has two brain cells to rub together. Get this group some experience and either hold onto those assets for when the team IS ready, or use them to address long-term issues. 15 months of JT Miller doesn't address any long-term issues.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Where in God's name do these posters come from?!?!
What in the f*** are they smoking?!
Can they piss off again ?
I miss many quality posters these weeks ... that seem to have vanished. Pretty sure many got sick and tired of reading the same bs, arguing the same moronic trade proposals for years and now just said "f*** it".
Really sad ...

 

[jay from jersey]

Another left wing. Just what we need.

C’mon man!

We’re full of left handed shots regardless

 

[Anthony5967]

Maybe but to me a top 6 center is someone who can contribute offensively, be defensively responsible, and good on the draw. To me he has 1 of the 3 qualities that you need to be as a center in my eyes. When you are hovering around 45% on the dot and dont play defense i cant say want to give him a 8yr deal worth around 50million dollars, I dont see him as someone i want to dish out that cap hit to.

I feel that there will be someone actually worth paying the price of our 1st, robertson, Nils, and a 2nd for at the center position during the offseason and at the draft.

Where does he have one of the qualities? I’m pretty sure his defensive metrics are better than last year’s and are good.

 

[mas0764]

I'm not sure why Chytil and Kravtsov would be considered redundant but Will Cuylle isn't. The Rangers are more in need of young, talented skilled RW and centers than a guy who is known for his physical prowess who might turn out to be a 3rd or 4th liner with sandpaper and maybe a nice shot.

The reason Kravtsov is available is because he's a malcontent, not because of redundancy. Chytil is available because the Rangers aren't thrilled with his development or whatever, not because he's redundant. Nils there is an argument for redundancy, but in all honesty I don't know there's much of a reason why he should be more available than Schneider other than the Rangers prefer to have size on the blueline.

We can’t score at 5v5 and have an abundance of low skill players like Goodrow Hunt Blais and Reavese.

Chytil is redundant and Cuylle isn’t. Makes sense.

 

[mas0764]

We trade Cuylle and we're gonna be bitching in a year or two about how our third line is shit and why can't we draft effective bottom 6 players that all winning teams have playing at bottom of the market value. Rangers think extremely highly of him and what he will bring.

The real issue is that in truth we have no where near enough forwards, skilled or unskilled, in our pipeline, and we need to be acquiring more not less.

The rebuild was never finished at forward.

 

[mas0764]

I think the Rangers interest in Eichel was overstated, if only for the fact that we now know that Pegula was never approving a trade to the Rangers unless we were giving up pieces we never intended to give up. Although Larry, if I recall correctly, was less on the "Rangers are hot for Eichel" train than the Canadian media were.

I think the opposite. I think they had a deal worked out, possibly thought it was in the bag when they dealt Buch, and then the owner stepped in and squashed it.

 

[haohmaru]

I think the opposite. I think they had a deal worked out, possibly thought it was in the bag when they dealt Buch, and then the owner stepped in and squashed it.

I doubt that's the case - I mean, I'm certain the owner was against trading Eichel to the Rangers and I'm sure the GM knew it. The parameters might've been expanded allowing for the Rangers to offer something ridiculously good and far and above what other teams were offering. Thankfully that didn't happen.

Maybe Vally's take on the trade supports some of what you surmise - he was possibly aware of what the offer was and probably figured there's no way the Sabres turn it down. Pegula, however, hasn't hidden the fact that the Rangers weren't a destination he wanted Eichel to end up at - pretty much no matter what. In any event, we weren't getting Eichel for anything close to what Vegas got him for. Let's see how he holds up moving forward.

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

Best case scenario we could have our last 3 1st round picks playing on the right side in April.
Not counting Othmann of course. Right now we have Hunt and Goodrow there. Im fine with Goodrow on the 2nd line untill Kakko is back.
Playoffs lineup:
CK - Zib - Laf
Panarin - Strome - Kakko
Lehkonen? - Chytil/Goodrow - Kravtsov
Reaves - Chytil/Goodrow - Hunt

I’d trade for Giordano instead.
Fox - Lindgren
Trouba - Giordano
Jones - Miller.

 

[Vitto79]

I’ve read Ottawa isn’t a good trade partner but I don’t get it . They could use a Kravtsov. Rangers could use Brown , Paul , Tierney

 

[rangers1314]

If we're trading for Miller, are we trading for him as a C or W?

 

[Idlerlee]

Where in God's name do these posters come from?!?!
What in the f*** are they smoking?!
Can they piss off again ?
I miss many quality posters these weeks ... that seem to have vanished. Pretty sure many got sick and tired of reading the same bs, arguing the same moronic trade proposals for years and now just said "f*** it".
Really sad ...

Be the change you want to see in the world.

Or complain a lot.

 

[mas0764]

The problem also lies in the fact that there’s absurd notion among our fanbase that we’re going to die if we don’t get centers immediately to have for 10+ years. The team needs good players, plain and simple. It’s irrelevant whether they are a wing or a center when we’re routinely watching guys like Hunt and McKegg be played consistently above their level on a game-by-game basis.

Both can be true.

But we do need centers. Cup winners pretty much all have either two elite centers or great center depth. We have Zibanejad and nothing else. And Zibanejad has serious concussion, injury, and inconsistency concerns.

By not addressing the situation already, and if we elect to eschew trading Nils/Krav for a long term center, we are going to be gambling that we can draft a Brayden Point or two, later in the coming couple drafts, which is simply horrible odds.

 

[mas0764]

I doubt that's the case - I mean, I'm certain the owner was against trading Eichel to the Rangers and I'm sure the GM knew it. The parameters might've been expanded allowing for the Rangers to offer something ridiculously good and far and above what other teams were offering. Thankfully that didn't happen.

Maybe Vally's take on the trade supports some of what you surmise - he was possibly aware of what the offer was and probably figured there's no way the Sabres turn it down. Pegula, however, hasn't hidden the fact that the Rangers weren't a destination he wanted Eichel to end up at - pretty much no matter what. In any event, we weren't getting Eichel for anything close to what Vegas got him for. Let's see how he holds up moving forward.

I agree that it's actually more likely the owner stepped in and said "If they want Eichel the package is Laf or Kakko (or both?)" and we said no to that. But by any other subjective analysis I would almost guarantee our package was equal or superior to Vegas's.

 

[Daves a mess]

Honestly from everything we've learned about Kravtsov from his actions over the years it really just seems he's an immature and spoiled kid who has had a charmed life and because he's talented he thinks he should have things handed to him. If he wants to be successful in the NHL he's really going to need to have a learning moment where he realizes his mentality and thought process is not where it needs to be.

I'll go a step further.

Vitali Kravtsov is out of the NHL, and home playing in Mother Russia for good by the time he's 25.

 

[mas0764]

What's the flavor of the week?

Who are we trading Kravtsov, Nils and a 1st for?

A young center with term and eventual 1C upside.

 

[bigdog16]

I'll go a step further.

Vitali Kravtsov is out of the NHL, and home playing in Mother Russia for good by the time he's 25.

This is far more likely than him becoming an every day NHLer. I don’t know why he thinks he deserves everything handed to him

 

[mas0764]

If I’m VAN, I’m asking for Lafreniere and Schneider in this deal. And yeah, Miller is worth it cause it gives NYR a PROVEN monster performer for 2 playoff runs. All’s he does is score and set up other guys who score.
Look what CGY just gave up for Toffoli.

They can keep him then.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

If I’m VAN, I’m asking for Lafreniere and Schneider in this deal. And yeah, Miller is worth it cause it gives NYR a PROVEN monster performer for 2 playoff runs. All’s he does is score and set up other guys who score.
Look what CGY just gave up for Toffoli.

If the Canucks GM (I forgot who it is) asked for that, Chris Drury would tell him to go pound sand and to talk to him again when he got serious.

 

[McRanger92]

If I’m VAN, I’m asking for Lafreniere and Schneider in this deal. And yeah, Miller is worth it cause it gives NYR a PROVEN monster performer for 2 playoff runs. All’s he does is score and set up other guys who score.
Look what CGY just gave up for Toffoli.

If Vancouver wont budge off Schneider or Lafreniere(lol), the trade isnt happening. I find it hard to believe another team is going to offer them assets like Lundkvist, krav or Chytil plus a high pick on top. Boston cant beat that, Minnesota can beat that because they cant take the salary, Calgary just made their trade. Where is the market for Miller if its not the Rangers?

They can wait until the summer but we saw what guys with 1 year left went for last year (Buchnevich/Reinhart) and it wasnt nearly as much as the Rangers would be offering now.

 

[Daves a mess]

I remember a healthy bunch of posters here were very high on Matt Boldy in the 19 draft. Good job to those who were lauding his attributes.
Kid looks like a serious player.

 

[Daves a mess]

This is far more likely than him becoming an every day NHLer. I don’t know why he thinks he deserves everything handed to him

Ed will start with his looks, then segway to Chris Drury hates him.

Hate for the poster, not the player I mean.