Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVI - It’s Miller Time…K-A

[ZiGOODejad]

Rumor is @EdJovanovski is already adding an addition on to his house for Vitaly.

He better watch out. If he doesn’t get the room he wants he might take his toys and go home

 

[leetch99]

They offered him HFD in 2017 and he declined.

I just hope they don’t miss on Stepan when his time comes

Well...was he able to handle the 13 year olds ? If so....he likely will suffice in Montreal as he likely speaks French . That team is definitely going to be last next season . I like it !

 

[rangers1314]

Tippett is out in Edmonton.

 

[RangerBoy]

Filip Chytil, Vitali Kravtsov and a 2nd round pick in 2022(lesser pick of the Rangers or Blues) to Vancouver for JT Miller. No retention. Chytil's $2.3M is sent to Vancouver. Miller is at $5.25M. The Rangers add $2.95M with Miller's contract. Both contracts expire in 2023. Kravtsov is reportedly willing to sign a 2 year contract with the acquiring team. Team friendly. That was reported when he bolted to the Rangers. Vancouver gets two talented forwards in the 20-25 age group. They can control them. They get another 2nd round pick in 22.

 

[mas0764]

I'm basically saying thanks but no thanks to any proposal involving JT Miller.

Even at no cost to acquire, he forces Strome out, and then you have to give Miller the contract extension we wouldn't give Strome. They are similar quality players and ages. I think I prefer Strome.

I'm interested in getting younger and better, not older and basically treading water. The entire exercise is a waste of time, unless Miller is the missing piece to a Cup this year, which only the most delusional hardcore fans would believe. They have this daydream of riding Igor Shesterkin and shitty 5v5 play to a Cup win, it's completely outside the realm of reality.

Given the dichotomous nature of Miller and Strome (only one can remain!) I'd actually RATHER a 4 month rental if not a long term solution. The 4 month rental will be cheaper and won't tempt us to hand a 6 year contract to a 30 year old in 18 months. That's idiotic, Dark Ages Rangers thinking again.

And this idea that we should part with major assets to buy us an extra year to find a long term center solution is nonsensical. If we trade those assets, how are we gonna get the long term solution? You just spent your resources on the stopgap.

Drury should look elsewhere. Hey Vancouver, we're interested in Pettersson and Hoglander, players with actual upside, not your expensive, aging mediocrity like Miller. Pawn those pieces off on an old team making their last run.

 

[bhamill]

I'm basically saying thanks but no thanks to any proposal involving JT Miller.

Even at no cost to acquire, he forces Strome out, and then you have to give Miller the contract extension we wouldn't give Strome. They are similar quality players and ages.

I'm interested in getting younger and better, not older and basically treading water. The entire exercise is a waste of time, unless Miller is the missing piece to a Cup this year, which only the most delusional hardcore fans would believe. They have this daydream of riding Igor Shesterkin and shitty 5v5 play to a Cup win, it's completely outside the realm of reality.

Given the dichotomous nature of Miller and Strome (only one can remain!) I'd actually RATHER a 4 month rental if not a long term solution. The 4 month rental will be cheaper and won't tempt us to hand a 6 year contract to a 30 year old in 18 months. That's idiotic, Dark Ages Rangers thinking again.

And this idea that we should part with major assets to buy us an extra year to find a long term center solution is nonsensical. If we trade those assets, how are we gonna get the long term solution? You just spent your resources on the stopgap.

Drury should look elsewhere.

I wouldn't say a waste at no cost to acquire, but I just don't think he's the right guy in the right situation at any price that Vancouver would find fair. And yes you have to factor in losing Strome as part of the cost of Miller. I mean at no/low cost you'd have him and Strome for the playoffs and then Strome walks or you trade JT and recoup some assets... I'm sure you were just exaggerating for the point.

 

[Anthony5967]

No the Buch deal is horrible because the team is the second to worst team 5v5. The teams PP has carried them this season w/Shesty. And the point of the post is about how Drury (imo) has overpaid for every move he's done. The Buch deal is not bad because of Blais or the injury. It's because he gave up a player who had chemistry w/CK & Z, is almost a ppg player this season and last for a player who has topped off at 15pts in 36 games and is only 1 year younger . The concern is that Drury will overpay at the deadline for whomever he's targeting. Also the issue at 2c, why go out and move Buch for another winger, trading for a Reeves, signing Hunt, Goodrow (all wingers), etc... Why not address the C position in that deal esp when they have no top tier C prospects in the system, and they still not even be able to sign Strome or another 2c after this season.

All that being said, moving Buch was the right idea, I just think the execution/move was bad. I think if he could've he should tried adding Blais but in a different deal and moving Buch to LA for a C prospect if that was truly on the table.

I find it funny that people keep referencing better offers. What else did Drury have?

 

[Thirty One]

Filip Chytil, Vitali Kravtsov and a 2nd round pick in 2022(lesser pick of the Rangers or Blues) to Vancouver for JT Miller. No retention. Chytil's $2.3M is sent to Vancouver. Miller is at $5.25M. The Rangers add $2.95M with Miller's contract. Both contracts expire in 2023. Kravtsov is reportedly willing to sign a 2 year contract with the acquiring team. Team friendly. That was reported when he bolted to the Rangers. Vancouver gets two talented forwards in the 20-25 age group. They can control them. They get another 2nd round pick in 22.

Two first round picks and a second for J.T. Miller?

 

[EdJovanovski]

I find it funny that people keep referencing better offers. What else did Drury have?

Sometimes the best deal is no deal.

 

[jay from jersey]

No the Buch deal is horrible because the team is the second to worst team 5v5. The teams PP has carried them this season w/Shesty. And the point of the post is about how Drury (imo) has overpaid for every move he's done. The Buch deal is not bad because of Blais or the injury. It's because he gave up a player who had chemistry w/CK & Z, is almost a ppg player this season and last for a player who has topped off at 15pts in 36 games and is only 1 year younger . The concern is that Drury will overpay at the deadline for whomever he's targeting. Also the issue at 2c, why go out and move Buch for another winger, trading for a Reeves, signing Hunt, Goodrow (all wingers), etc... Why not address the C position in that deal esp when they have no top tier C prospects in the system, and they still not even be able to sign Strome or another 2c after this season.

All that being said, moving Buch was the right idea, I just think the execution/move was bad. I think if he could've he should tried adding Blais but in a different deal and moving Buch to LA for a C prospect if that was truly on the table.

goodrow was sought after by many teams who would have given him the same deal he signed with NYR.
Why after being an integral part to the last 2 cup winging teams would he take a contract for 3 years less in UFA???
And what could Drury have traded Blais for???
A 2nd wouldn’t have got it done, you see what guys like Coleman goodrow brought back when they were on cheap deals.... would you be happy if they dealt a 1st for him??
Drury also offered Danault a similar deal, but he chose LA.
He also tried like hell to make Eichel a ranger.
Adams and pegulas wanted no part of keeping him in the East.
That’s 2 ways he tried to address the 2C position. Things don’t always work out.

 

[Fitzy]

There's no defense for that one. We just have to come to terms with the fact that it was a bad move. That's not the end of the world but it's certainly frustrating now when we are looking to spend primo assets to replace Buch.

No one here in their right mind would take Goodrow at 3.6 million over Buchnevich at 5.8 million but that's what we did.

You just hope that for every stinker you've got a Brassard-Zib or Gomez-McDonagh winner to balance it out.

 

[mas0764]

I find it funny that people keep referencing better offers. What else did Drury have?

Kings offered Kupari and a first. Drury preferred Blais.

 

[jay from jersey]

Kings offered Kupari and a first. Drury preferred Blais.

you have no clue what the stipulations or conditions on that were.
Yes edge reported it.
But there’s no way in hell the Kings were Offering the 8OA( their pick this year)+ Kupari for an unsigned Buch.
We also don’t know what if anything was going back to LA as part of the proposed trade.
Edge touched on it, but he didn’t elaborate.

Drury absolutely targeted Blais. I really wish he was healthy and with the team for this years playoff run... his game is Taylor made for it

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

April needs to get here already so people can stop complaining about Buch.

 

[EdJovanovski]

April needs to get here already so people can stop complaining about Buch.

I know you dislike Buch but you can’t tell me you thought that was a good trade, especially now that we’re throwing away futures to try and replace Buch

 

[RGY]

Need VAN to retain some portion of JTM contract for operability moving forward.

 

[Anthony5967]

Sometimes the best deal is no deal.

Okay, and then when they use him as self rental then what? Rangers fans are always ready to go with the next complaint. “We weren’t winning this year! We shouldn’t have held Buch as a self rental!”

 

[Anthony5967]

Kings offered Kupari and a first. Drury preferred Blais.

Who reported that?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I know you dislike Buch but you can’t tell me you thought that was a good trade, especially now that we’re throwing away futures to try and replace Buch

We’ve discussed this a ton already. You need to get over it.

Miller would be an upgrade btw, not a replacement.

 

[bhamill]

you have no clue what the stipulations or conditions on that were.
Yes edge reported it.
But there’s no way in hell the Kings were Offering the 8OA( their pick this year)+ Kupari for an unsigned Buch.
We also don’t know what if anything was going back to LA as part of the proposed trade.
Edge touched on it, but he didn’t elaborate.

Drury absolutely targeted Blais. I really wish he was healthy and with the team for this years playoff run... his game is Taylor made for it

Truth. Edge also didn't say whether the NYR passed on it or LAK pulled it. But I think we can all say that IF LAK offered straight up the 8OA and Kupari for just Buch, unsigned, and WE turned it down, then our GM should have been institutionalized immediately.

 

[Creepingjeff]

JT Miller is a different player now then when he was with the Rangers originally. He is so much more confident and is on a good contract through next season. He had an amazing coast to coast goal last night against Arizona. I'd go after Miller since he wont be a pure rental, add a 3rd liner, and a bottom pair LD. With roughly $35 Million in cap space to play with this season at the TDL, not only can the Rangers take on players for the strecth run they can also help other teams shed some cap space by having them attach a pick with their player. Use this cap space that they have accrued and use it to their advantage. Here are some deals I thought of:

Reilly Smith ($5 Million) and 2022 3rd Round Pick (pick the Rangers traded away for Reaves)
For
Future Considerations
-Helps Vegas get under the cap to fit Jack Eichel into their lineup, assuming they dont LTIR Stone until the playoffs.

Colton Sceviour, Philip Broberg and Mikko Koskinen ($4.5 Million)
For
Alexandar Georgiev and 2023 3rd Round Pick
-Edmonton needs a goalie to help salvage their season, neither Smith or Koskinen are working out. Georgiev needs a fresh start. Gets us a 4th liner, a prospect, and Koskinen who is a pending UFA.

JT Miller ($5.25 Million)
For
Nils Lundkvist, Vitaly Kravtsov, 2022 1st Round Pick, 2022 3rd Round Pick (acquired in the Reilly Smith deal)
-Ranger fans have mixed feelings about Miller but he is on a good contract for this year and next.

Arturri Lehkonen
For
Filip Chytil
-Lehkonen is a defensive forward with a good shot, Chytil still has an NHL future but no longer with the Rangers, needs a change of scenery like Georgiev.

Nick Leddy ($5.5 Million)
For
Patrik Nemeth, Matthew Robertson and a 2022 4th Round Pick
-Leddy is still very mobile and would be a great LD option on the 3rd pair. Nemeth goes to a team that he is familiar with. Robertson gets Detroit a project on D.


Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Strome-Smith
Lehkonen-Miller-Kakko
Gauthier-Rooney-Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Leddy-Schneider

Shesterkin
Koskinen

That is an absolutely awful trade for Leddy. With his salary, his value is probably around a 3rd/4th pick right now at best. He is really a bottom pairing defenseman at this point. No way would any team give up an actual prospect like Robertson for him. If you have Robertson in the trade so they take Nemeth, that is pretty bad asset management as well. Nemeth's will be tradeable in the offseason without much effort. If you look at comparable trades, in 2020 Erik Gustafsson went for only a conditional 3rd, Mike Green (with 50% salary retention) went for a conditional 4th/3rd, Forbort (with 25% salary retention) went for a conditional 4th/3rd, and DeMelo went for a 3rd round pick. These are all defensemen that are in the range of what Leddy is now, if not potentially a little better or worse. You do not give up a 20 year old defenseman in the AHL that was a first round pick for a type of player that Leddy is right now. He is third in minutes per game on Detroit, but they have terrible depth on defense right now. I'm not sure Nemeth would not be 3rd in minutes on that team if he was there. On a good team, Leddy is bottom pairing. I am not against going after him as a depth option, but no real prospects should be near that discussion.

 

[jay from jersey]

April needs to get here already so people can stop complaining about Buch.

buch’s future fate with this team was sealed the day kreider signed his extension. Drafting a LaF was the ultimate nail in the coffin for his time with NYR.
Panarin/kreider big money /term deals, laf/kakko/kravtsov all in the nhl or on the verge of being in the nhl.
Just from a financial standpoint alone, you could tell the rangers weren’t giving Buch 6 mill for 5-6 years.
I loved Buch and I’m glad he’s playing well, but the reason people keep harping on missing him is the perfect storm of bad luck that has happened to or RW position depth over the last 8 or so months...
-Blais torn ACL our for year
-kravtsov mad he doesn’t have a top 9 spot out of camp. Runs back to Russia.... Again
-Kakko not producing offensively as expected
- LaF not producing as well offensively as expected, and it’s further making people miss Buch

 

[jay from jersey]

Truth. Edge also didn't say whether the NYR passed on it or LAK pulled it. But I think we can all say that IF LAK offered straight up the 8OA and Kupari for just Buch, unsigned, and WE turned it down, then our GM should have been institutionalized immediately.

Agreed. I don’t think drury would have said no to the 8 OA for Buch straight up, let alone Kupari.

I’m guessing their were major protections on the pick.

 

[Machinehead]

April needs to get here already so people can stop complaining about Buch.

Why would that stop in April?

 

[cwede]

another day, another coach fired
Maybe now Oilers pay high, for Georgie, plus cap relief of sending Koskinen's CapHit,
Trailing tight races in Pac Div and West WCs