Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVI - It’s Miller Time…K-A

[haveandare]

Kessel is the opposite of the type of player we’re looking for imo

 

[MrAlmost]

Kessel is the opposite of the type of player we’re looking for imo

True. But sometimes the price is just too high, or you don't have the guys they are looking for. We will see, hopefully sooner rather than later.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

*reading Andreas Athanasiou's eliteprospects page* I can fix him

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I’m always amazed at the people with plans to never win and trade good players for futures

Who needs to try and win a cup when you can have a sick prospect pool?!?!?

/s


Of course it’s like anything else, truth is in the middle. You can do both and try to win and not sell the farm so you always have good prospects on the way. People get so hung up leaning too far one way or the other and they miss that the right course of action lies in the middle.

Also, the team doesn’t need to be 100% perfect for us to try and win. I feel like coming out of a rebuild we all get so hung up on acquiring prospects that having a good pool felt like the goal, but the actual goal is to win a Cup. And your team doesn’t need to be the 77 Canadiens for it to be “worth” or “the right time” to try and win. Saying the team has flaws and using that as the reasoning why it’s not worth trying to win when you have a shot right in front of your face is silly. OBVIOUSLY you don’t sell the farm in your attempt to try and win but part of the benefit of a rebuild is an overflowing prospect pool with trade able assets. Theres not going to be room for all of these prospects on the Rangers, that’s just a fact of life in the hard cap NHL.

I just think a lot of the arguments from people on here are rife with the type of logic that leads to perpetual rebuilds.

 

[RGY]

Everyone was -5 with 0 points in the '06 playoffs.

I don't see why we would expect Kessel, who has 81 points in 96 career playoff games and led his team in scoring in a Stanley Cup victory, to collapse in the playoffs.

Because he is 34 years old and the last legitimate playoff game he participated in was 18-19 with Pittsburgh when he had 2 points in 4 games. Unless you want to count the 2020 Covid playoffs with Arizona. This is not the same player who put up almost a PPG 5-6 years ago. Let’s be real.

 

[Savant]

Who needs to try and win a cup when you can have a sick prospect pool?!?!?

/s


Of course it’s like anything else, truth is in the middle. You can do both and try to win and not sell the farm so you always have good prospects on the way. People get so hung up leaning too far one way or the other and they miss that the right course of action lies in the middle.

Also, the team doesn’t need to be 100% perfect for us to try and win. I feel like coming out of a rebuild we all get so hung up on acquiring prospects that having a good pool felt like the goal, but the actual goal is to win a Cup. And your team doesn’t need to be the 77 Canadiens for it to be “worth” or “the right time” to try and win. Saying the team has flaws and using that as the reasoning why it’s not worth trying to win when you have a shot right in front of your face is silly. OBVIOUSLY you don’t sell the farm in your attempt to try and win but part of the benefit of a rebuild is an overflowing prospect pool with trade able assets. Theres not going to be room for all of these prospects on the Rangers, that’s just a fact of life in the hard cap NHL.

I just think a lot of the arguments from people on here are rife with the type of logic that leads to perpetual rebuilds.

I said it before and I’ll say it again.

I, for one, had no problem trading the first rounders and then making it a priority to sign the best NCAA and Euro free agents. Especially when the Rangers were a playoff team. They were better off.

Missing players like Kerby Rychel, Josh Ho-Sang, Dennis Cholowski? I can live with that. Even with Beauvillier being other pick, you still Live with that and take the Cup runs.

 

[bl02]

I just don't understand this fascination with Dryden Hunt in the top six. He hasn't scored a goal since December 1st. He has three points total in his last 20 games. There are literally at least 4 or 5 players who should slot there before him. And he's not really some defensive wizard, either. He's a Dickensian poor man's Jesper Fast who hits a bit more.

He belongs on the 4th line period. Hopefully by playoff time that’s where he is.

 

[smoneil]

I don't really love Goodrow in that slot either, but boy can he deflect that biscuit. He and Kreider are experts in the field of tip in's!

Of the options we have, Chytil makes the most sense based on skill set and track record. But even after that, I could see arguments for Barron (helps w/faceoffs and throws the body), Gauthier (say what you will, but he goes to the net and Panarin/Strome could feed on that chaos), Goodrow (defensively responsible, has SOME offense, and can also help with faceoffs), and maybe even Rooney (better defensively, good at faceoffs, not an awful shot, and good at garbage goals). But Hunt? He does 4th line things well. Not one thing more. It boggles the mind.

 

[wafflepadsave]

L O L

Gone for weeks at a time and that’s all we get?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I'll take Kessel at a used car rate, if for nothing else than the LOLs. He wouldn't be my first choice but I can't imagine him costing anything significant.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

Time to trade a 2nd for Kessel or Smith

 

[Fitzy]

I'll take Kessel at a used car rate, if for nothing else than the LOLs. He wouldn't be my first choice but I can't imagine him costing anything significant.

Look what Rick Nash got.

Now granted Nash was still a great second line player when we traded him but reputation matters a lot for trade value

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Look what Rick Nash got.

Now granted Nash was still a great second line player when we traded him but reputation matters a lot for trade value

I'm not taking him at a Rick Nash rate. Used Car only.

 

[mas0764]

No one has ever argued for perpetual rebuilding. We need two more young centers to grow with our stud young wingers in Kakko, Lafreniere, Chytil, Kravtsov/Othmann.

Then it’s rebuild over. Until then, it’s not rebuild over.

Go do that instead of frittering away assets on JT Miller and 90% of board arguments cease. Then go rent whoever you want.

 

[SA16]

No one has ever argued for perpetual rebuilding. We need two more young centers to grow with our stud young wingers in Kakko, Lafreniere, Chytil, Kravtsov/Othmann.

Then it’s rebuild over. Until then, it’s not rebuild over.

Go do that instead of frittering away assets on JT Miller and 90% of board arguments cease. Then go rent whoever you want.

Your plan is not possible.

 

[IDvsEGO]

No one has ever argued for perpetual rebuilding. We need two more young centers to grow with our stud young wingers in Kakko, Lafreniere, Chytil, Kravtsov/Othmann.

Then it’s rebuild over. Until then, it’s not rebuild over.

Go do that instead of frittering away assets on JT Miller and 90% of board arguments cease. Then go rent whoever you want.

well considering we have mika who will be a ranger for the next 8 years, we probably don't have the space for 2 young centers to grow with those kids.

 

[Fitzy]

No one has ever argued for perpetual rebuilding. We need two more young centers to grow with our stud young wingers in Kakko, Lafreniere, Chytil, Kravtsov/Othmann.

Then it’s rebuild over. Until then, it’s not rebuild over.

Go do that instead of frittering away assets on JT Miller and 90% of board arguments cease. Then go rent whoever you want.

I’d argue we are building for a double window rather than just the second half window.

They hopefully wont blow everything on the next three seasons but they won’t be casual either.

 

[mas0764]

Your plan is not possible.

Yes, it is.

Nils, Kravtsov, and a first are prime assets to get a young center.

 

[mas0764]

I’d argue we are building for a double window rather than just the second half window.

They hopefully wont blow everything on the next three seasons but they won’t be casual either.

They don’t have a second window until they get some more young centers.

 

[mas0764]

well considering we have mika who will be a ranger for the next 8 years, we probably don't have the space for 2 young centers to grow with those kids.

You need a guy who can eventually transition to 1C as Mika declines and you need a young middle 6 type. That’s doable.

 

[IDvsEGO]

You need a guy who can eventually transition to 1C as Mika declines and you need a young middle 6 type. That’s doable.

As mika declines he's still gonna be a middle 6 guy.

 

[Fitzy]

They don’t have a second window until they get some more young centers.

Only if we are really sure that Zibanejad will be cooked at age 34.

 

[bobbop]

Kessel can hardly skate. Not the best defensive player. Is he the right move? I know he can still shoot the puck.

Kessel can skate and he does play some defense (no one on the Coyotes is a defensive stalwart) but his offensive skill right now is passing, not shooting. Doesn't fit here.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Radulov would be an interesting name I think. I could see him working well on basically any line 1--3 in our lineup. He's been on the bottom six all year in Dallas, have to imagine he'd coat less than some other names

 

[Thirty One]

Because he is 34 years old and the last legitimate playoff game he participated in was 18-19 with Pittsburgh when he had 2 points in 4 games. Unless you want to count the 2020 Covid playoffs with Arizona. This is not the same player who put up almost a PPG 5-6 years ago. Let’s be real.

I get why we would expect his playoff performance to drop off compared to 5 years ago. I don't get why we would expect his performance to drop off compared to his regular season performance of this year.