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Yea he played with him and Marleau last year. Barely played with him at all the year before or much this year and his scoring is identical this year to last year.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIX
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Yea he played with him and Marleau last year. Barely played with him at all the year before or much this year and his scoring is identical this year to last year.
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We were 5th in goals for and probably near the last in GA . Our offensive guys will likely score even more in the next season with familiarity and experience kicking in and with Shesty in the net we should be better in the GA category . Get the left side fixed over the next 2 seasons with some slight tweaks and from within . Would not hurt to find a Center ..albeit a defensive wizard that can win draws and increase the face off win percentage and kill penalties . With the way things are right now....the cap is kind of up in the air . So...if they add a CBO for teams that could be a game changer . I trust in Gorton . Our problems are a whole lot better than most clubs .
You have Strome, Panarin, Kreider, ZBad, Buch. That is 5 out of your top 6. Yes, if Kakko does not take a step forward and show that he can play with Panarin-Strome, they should look to getting another forward. But honestly, where is the lack of depth in your top 6? Being a forward short and lacking depth are two different things.
Also missing from that equation is chytil has shown he could fill in at 2c like he did when Mika went down.
Sure, but has shown that he can fill in here and there and being able to take the role and run with it are two different things.
Chytil is interesting as far as what his role will be for the next several years. I say this because I do believe that Strome will get a multi year deal.
I think chytil needed more opportunities to see if he could truly click with panarin the way that strome has.
Chemistry with panarin is important and something we want for a 2c, and I don't want to be forced to lock up strome because we didn't give chytil a chance.
Strome is a pending RFA and not a lock to be kept. He also has mostly put up third-line stats in his career, which only changed last season when put on a line with Panarin. Buchnevich is an RFA after next season and we are currently in a cap crunch. I don't think either can be relied on to be part of the top six next season. Kreider, Zibanejad and Panarin are the only top-six Fs we have under contract past next season. After them, its just kids, question marks, and plugs.
Oh, so were filling a lineup on wishes, hopes and dreams. Sorry, I didnt know.
And there is value in that. Please let's not get into the "Anyone can do it" debate again. Having Strome allows ZBad to be on a different line. Strome at $5m for 2-4 years is smart business. And why I believe he will be brought back.
How is this wishful? I am making a statement. That it will be an issue if Kakko does not step up. What in there made you interpret that as a wish?
Were talking about forward depth, and you are making a case that we have adequate top-six depth. To support this assertion, you name a pending RFA that we aren't certain to retain, and who posted stats this season that are an anomaly to his average output. You also state a hope that a third line player can and will step up. Kakko might be in Hartford next season, for all we know. Both Chytil and Anderson were up and down, to include this current season.
You are in fact making the case for me that we need additional top-six depth, in addition to the bottom-six depth everyone we agrees we need. What happens if Panarin gets injured? We are suddenly a one-line team that won't be winning games. That's why depth is important.
The Blues had so many injuries, even key injuries the season they won the Cup. But they had, and have had, and continue to have amazing F depth. Players who could step up and fill in. We dont have that. Youre counting on players stepping up without there being any injuries.
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NYR Viper
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I'd be more than willing to give Strome a 3-4 year deal at around $5m per season. I'd also play him on the opposite wing from Panarin and look to develop Chytil in that center spot.
I'm still okay trading Buch and rolling with Kaako/Gauthier/Lemieux/Kravtsov as the 2nd, 3rd and 4th line wingers in some combination. Play the best one with Kreider/Zibanejad. They need another quality center.
Something like:
Panarin-Chytil-Strome
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kaako
Andersson-______-Gauthier
Digiuseppe-Howden-Lemieux
If someone like Mikko Koivu was willing to come to NY, I'd be very interested in trying him out on a 1 year deal. He'd be an ideal 1 year stop-gap and someone who can handle some harder minutes.
I'm still okay trading Buch and rolling with Kaako/Gauthier/Lemieux/Kravtsov as the 2nd, 3rd and 4th line wingers in some combination. Play the best one with Kreider/Zibanejad. They need another quality center.
Something like:
Panarin-Chytil-Strome
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kaako
Andersson-______-Gauthier
Digiuseppe-Howden-Lemieux
If someone like Mikko Koivu was willing to come to NY, I'd be very interested in trying him out on a 1 year deal. He'd be an ideal 1 year stop-gap and someone who can handle some harder minutes.
But I can make an educated guess and believe that he will be retained. I have stated many,many times why I believe this to be the case.
And I am still not sure where I am pining hopes on a third line player. Again, I stated that yes if Kakko does not step up, you could have issues with depth. How can you possibly interpret that as me pining hopes on him?
What are you going to do, get top-6 players and pay them as such and have them play on the bottom two lines?
NO ONE is replacing Panarin. But you can have Gauthier or Lemieux step up and play a 2nd line role if they needed to.
You are not going to acquire a Connor and then play him on the third line. You have to rely on your third line players being able to step in.
There’s Chytil and Kravstov as well. KK obviously has the top pedigree but we have a few youngsters who could become top-six talents in the next 1-2 years.
That’s very similar to how I see it. I probably have Kravstov in Anderson’s spot and he can battle it out with Howden and whomever for a 3/4C position or be a depth winger. Obviously that’s hoping Kravstov looks at least mostly NHL ready, so a big if. A quality third line center, either a veteran or a guy in his mid-20s who can stick for a while, would certainly be a boon to this team... I’d love if it could be Boone Jenner.
Oscar Lindberg
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A couple forward ideas I've been kicking around lately, two guys in particular
He's been mentioned before, but still think trying to acquire Labanc would be smart. He bet on himself with that 1 year contract and it kinda fell apart for him. Had a down year points wise, and the potential for a flat cap probably kills any chance he stays with the Sharks.
I wonder if something around Lias + a mid round pick for Labanc would get it done. Lias would be a cost effective option and is young enough to take a swing on for them. I still believe Lias can turn into an effective bottom 6 player in this league, I just don't believe it will happen here
(this second one is dependent on Strome being moved)
The other guy is Johan Larsson from Buffalo. Center, will be 28 in July, and a UFA this summer. Not a game-changer by any means, but he's extremely solid defensively.
He'd be an ideal 3 C and I've been watching footage of him play, I think he's got the skill to hang with guys on the 2nd line if he had too. Right now he's making 1.75 million, I'd be fine offering him up to 2.5-2.75 million over 2/3 years
Feel free to give me your thoughts
He's been mentioned before, but still think trying to acquire Labanc would be smart. He bet on himself with that 1 year contract and it kinda fell apart for him. Had a down year points wise, and the potential for a flat cap probably kills any chance he stays with the Sharks.
I wonder if something around Lias + a mid round pick for Labanc would get it done. Lias would be a cost effective option and is young enough to take a swing on for them. I still believe Lias can turn into an effective bottom 6 player in this league, I just don't believe it will happen here
(this second one is dependent on Strome being moved)
The other guy is Johan Larsson from Buffalo. Center, will be 28 in July, and a UFA this summer. Not a game-changer by any means, but he's extremely solid defensively.
He'd be an ideal 3 C and I've been watching footage of him play, I think he's got the skill to hang with guys on the 2nd line if he had too. Right now he's making 1.75 million, I'd be fine offering him up to 2.5-2.75 million over 2/3 years
Feel free to give me your thoughts
Mikko Koivu is only willing to wear one Jersey which is the wild, so if they don't resign him, he made it clear this week he will play back home in Finland
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I don’t like penciling in prospects. Fill the holes, and if the prospects make it, great, you know have a position of strength to deal from.
Over the summer this board was envisioning Kakko, Chytil, and Kravtsov all in the top-6 and it blew up in our faces (can add Andersson to that list too).
NYR Viper
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I agree, but I guess in the context of KK failing to become a top six player, I just meant that we have a few guys, one of whom should be able to fill that in the unlikely event that he doesn’t. Do I expect any of them to be ready for that out of the gate next season? Not really, but next year should still be a developing year for us. We took a great step forward but I wouldn’t say it’s time to turn the page to compete mode. We can afford to be patient in letting one (or more of them) try to fill that role before deciding we need to go shopping for top six help. If we end up having to, we can but it shouldn’t be an immediate priority unless something falls in place that’s too good to pass on.
NYR Viper
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Younger, more cost controlled, much cheaper asset who perhaps projects as more of a center than Bennett.
He makes $2.55m next season and then is a RFA so after this past season, his contract negotiation could be interesting. He had 12 points in 52 gp this season and was a healthy scratch at times.
Oscar Lindberg
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I guess it depends on how much the Sharks potentially value Lias.
If they see a guy that is only 21 who can grow into a solid role player on the 3rd line and may have gotten a raw deal from us, it may work. If they see a guy who lacks some of the tools to be a consistent NHL player and may be on his way to being a bust, obviously that changes things.
In this trade, ideally you're capitalizing on 2 issues the Sharks have, being the lack of cap space, and the lack of draft picks/assets
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