Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIII: 33rd thread twds the line of dead

[Leetch3]

general rule of thumb with trade deadline rumors...if the prospect coming back gets you excited, he's not available and the return will be less, so you are just setting yourself up for disappointment even if the actual return is still decent.

 

[Gardner McKay]

My apologies...I should have clarified in my post that it was the fans and not the front office.

Oh then in which case, I completely agree. I think most fans were in line that Kreider would be traded at the start of the season. And honestly, Uncle Larry only helped further to fuel that fire by reporting on contract activity (or lack thereof) between the Rangers and Kreiders camp.

 

[RangersFan1994]

yes for sure. Did you see that somewhere?

just a proposal I thought off that made sense for both teams

 

[NYRangers0723]

Carp and Larry seem to be saying how they play isn't going to affect what Gorton does, so we can only hope they're correct lol

Let’s say Kreider did agree to take a little less to stay would you be pissed? I’m not trying to be smartass I’m just genuinely curious

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Gorton dragging this out as long as possible is bumming me out

No choice not to. Have to hold out to make sure we get the next Brett Howden or Libor Hajek!

 

[GAGLine]

While I'd normally agree,

I think Strome falls into a different category.

I don't see anyway his UFA years cost more than they would this summer. If it turns out next year, his last RFA year, he stays the same or gets worse, those UFA years maybe cheaper to buy next summer than they would be this summer. The only way I thinkbthey get more expensive is if he improves, and I am not thinking that is all that likely.

I'm not worried about nickle and diming his UFA year. If we give him a 1 year deal now, he is going to absolutely want a multi-year deal next summer as a UFA, and I don't want to give him that either. All that will do is force us into the same situation we are in with Kreider right now, either trade him at the deadline or re-sign him. Next year should be a year in which we are legitimately pushing for the playoffs. I'd rather not have the distraction of worrying about maximizing Strome as an asset. If things go poorly and we are out of it, we can still trade him even if he has a year left on his contract. Look at what the devils did with Coleman. Yes, Coleman has a very low cap hit, but we could retain if necessary or take back a player, or just wait until the offseason to move him.

Go and look at all the contracts given to RFAs since the introduction of the salary cap. The vast majority, like probably 99%, have ended with the player either being an RFA, or a UFA, but with at least 1 UFA year purchased. Strome will be no different.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I'm more for McMichael than Studnicka, I wonder if you could include a decent D prospect we can live with dealing with Kreider in a deal for him to lessen the burden of letting a top center prospect like him go. But you gotta pay to play if you are one of these teams in on CK.

 

[Fireonk]

Love the talk about Newhook and I would trade Kreider straight up for him, but the chances of him being a Ranger are like >5%.

Studnicka on the other hand is what Boston will have to pony up if they are going "all in". I dont want to hand an in-conference team a player as important as Kreider for just an OK kid. They need quality (and more centers/forwards in their ranks), even if means Studnicka, a 1st and a conditional if he resigns. I mean you gotta get something of substance from Boston, not just quantity.

But this is the problem I was talking about earlier, if Boston and other teams are unwilling to even listen about their top prospects.

With Boston, I think they are really hoping Studnicka can come in and contribute from day 1 next year and that would be really important for them to have a contributor on an ELC as they try and go for it again. So I can see why he would be off the table for them. Studnicka next year is more important than Kreider this year to them.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Let’s say Kreider did agree to take a little less to stay would you be pissed? I’m not trying to be smartass I’m just genuinely curious

Depends on a little less.

I don't hate Kreider but I hate the potential contract. Been saying this from the moment Panarin signed.

I wouldn't go anywhere over 5 years for him, and I wouldn't go over 6.5 million AAV, And those numbers aren't realistic so

 

[EpicDing]

I'm more for McMichael than Studnicka, I wonder if you could include a decent D prospect we can live with dealing with Kreider in a deal for him to lessen the burden of letting a top center prospect like him go. But you gotta pay to play if you are one of these teams in on CK.

I think McMichael is even more valuable to the Caps than Studnicka is to the Bruins. The Caps have the 29th ranked prospect pool, and McMichael is an amazing player.

 

[NYRangers0723]

With Boston, I think they are really hoping Studnicka can come in and contribute from day 1 next year and that would be really important for them to have a contributor on an ELC as they try and go for it again. So I can see why he would be off the table for them. Studnicka next year is more important than Kreider this year to them.

Yeah nobody is giving up top prospects for a rental. We got a bit lucky last year with Winnipeg. Let’s be honest that first rounder we all expected that first to be in the 24-30 range and it dropped to 20 because the jets folded. As much as I like Lemieux he is bottom 6 player. So I still think many of those who want a trade are expecting way too much in return

 

[BBKers]

My own thinking...
Would anyone do this kinda weird deal? Chris Kreider (50%), Lias Andersson and Yegor Rykov for Jack Studnicka, Trent Frederic, David Backes (50%) and a conditonal 2nd round pick (becomes 1st if Boston resigns CK or wins SC)? Buyout Backes in offseason

 

[EpicDing]

My own thinking...
Would anyone do this kinda weird deal? Chris Kreider (50%), Lias Andersson and Yegor Rykov for Jack Studnicka, Trent Frederic, David Backes (50%) and a conditonal 2nd round pick (becomes 1st if Boston resigns CK or wins SC)? Buyout Backes in offseason

I'd do it I think, but I really don't see the Bruins moving Studnicka.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'm over Colorado. Sakic is cheap. I'd tell Joe to go get Namestnikov. You get what you pay for.

Dont believe all that noise, Sakic wants Kreider, but he wants him for nothing and is floating the idea of getting Namestnicov to try and lower the price. There is no way Namestnicov is their plan. We should be talking to another western team to put a scare into Colorado.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I wouldn't be surprised to see St.Louis take Backes back.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Dont believe all that noise, Sakic wants Kreider, but he wants him for nothing and is floating the idea of getting Namestnicov to try and lower the price. There is no way Namestnicov is their plan. We should be talking to another western team to put a scare into Colorado.

Regardless he isn’t giving up his top prospects so I think we can close the lid on that idea lol

 

[Ola]

Are we overestimating where Newhook is then? Newhook could be 2-3 years away. We are fine with dealing Kreider, who is a much more valuable component to the makeup of the team than Buch for example, for a kid 2-3 years away? I like Buch but he, like Strome, is a guy they can live without and better use the cap space.

But i can see the concern dealing Buch for a prospect. I would definitely prefer a hockey trade

I am admittedly really high on Newhook and had him 4th overall in my 2019 ranking, but I don't think we are overrating him. WITH THAT SAID, I definitely wouldn't rule out that he is 2-3 years away from making a real impact.

What he does have is an ability to play a really fast high octane speed game that is fairly unique. Like, its really hard to get a shot at a kid with that ability. But it is in-it-self not a guarantee for success in the NHL, right? But I also wouldn't rule out that he could become a player that sniff at the Aho/Barzal level.

That is why Newhook is so intriguing, because what he has potential to become, not necessarily that he already is a great player.

 

[wafflepadsave]

You are not making things easier on this board at this time, you know.

Verbal warning?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

My own thinking...
Would anyone do this kinda weird deal? Chris Kreider (50%), Lias Andersson and Yegor Rykov for Jack Studnicka, Trent Frederic, David Backes (50%) and a conditonal 2nd round pick (becomes 1st if Boston resigns CK or wins SC)? Buyout Backes in offseason

The Boston side of your proposal is essentially our current ask, meanwhile we're including 1) Rykov, 2) Andersson, 3) salary retention on Kreider, and 4) swallowing half the Backes contract in order to get it.

Way too much on our end.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I think McMichael is even more valuable to the Caps than Studnicka is to the Bruins. The Caps have the 29th ranked prospect pool, and McMichael is an amazing player.

The Caps prospect pool isn't going to be jumping up in leaps and bounds any time soon, even with him.

 

[offdacrossbar]

while everyone is focusing on just kreider, i think georgieve is in play as well.

hank isnt going anywhere imo. not sure teams see him as a true #1 anymore and certainly question his ability to play an entire playoff run to the cup at 38 yrs of age. george is a guy that teams will view as a potential starter soon. i think

as for newhook time line, he wont finish school thats for sure. hell come early. i see him as a legit 2c dynamic and dangerous in 2 years. needs some more time to fill out. kids skating right now is sublime. great stride and has an extra gear. in his draft year, he was one of the 2 best skaters in the entire draft.

prefer to keep buchnevich who i believe is finding his way under quinn. hes got another level i believe. hes taken a little longer but i think hes got 30 goal upside. i really do.

 

[duhmetreE]

Skjei for Kapanen
Buch for Nurse-type

If Kreider doesn't sign.... It grew on me... Jost, Kaut and a 1st.

 

[kovazub94]

Yeah I like Strome on a two year deal but that’s it. I like Strome but I feel a lot of his production in based on Panarin

Well look how well Fast has been producing with Panarin (and Strome) setting him up for a chance after chance. Noone is suggesting an exuberant contract but getting synergy production at a reasonable cost (e.g. 60-points from $5m contract) from a prime-aged center / winger should be given a lot of consideration due to a lot of check marks in the pro column.

 

[Richard Banger]

LOL, this and the draft are the absolute hardest times to keep track of. And it's (of course) the time people want every nugget of information.

At the very least I try to put the teams out there, because the actual players can change by the hour.

So far we've actually closed deals with two teams we had on the radar around here --- Caroline and Philly. Neither quite involved all the players that were on the radar, but there was one. In both cases, I think the door it still open for more dealings --- but we'll see.

Do you think fast gets traded at this deadline?

 

[egelband]

I'm over Colorado. Sakic is cheap. I'd tell Joe to go get Namestnikov. You get what you pay for.

Yep. I agree. They seem like lightweights. I was so impressed with Columbus last year. They took a real swing for the fences. Didn’t result in the ultimate goal but I bet they get it done before the Colorado and Toronto.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Well look how well Fast has been producing with Panarin (and Strome) setting him up for a chance after chance. Noone is suggesting an exuberant contract but getting synergy production at a reasonable cost (e.g. 60-points from $5m contract) from a prime-aged center / winger should be given a lot of consideration due to a lot of check marks in the pro column.

. I like Strome I’m just not sold on giving him a big contract. I love Fast but the same thing.? Panarin has a lot to do with Strome’s production that’s just reality. Have you seen Strome in the PP? He did score last game but 99 percent of the time it’s painful to watch lol