Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIII: 33rd thread twds the line of dead

[mulli25]

I personally think Strome is not even a thought to be moved now.

Skjei and Buch will be moved to make room if Kreider signs.

I think it would be unfortunate to have to move Skjei and Buch under the conditions of making room under the cap.

They'd be valuable players to a lot of teams and could bring back pieces that are valuable to this roster, which could understandably come with some salary. Would be a shame to miss out on that type of trade opportunity.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Gorton dragging this out as long as possible is bumming me out

 

[bl02]

would this be a good trade

Rangers trade Libor Hajek to Senators
Senators trade Alex Formenton to Rangers

yes for sure. Did you see that somewhere?

 

[Kovalev27]

Well, even if they go long term with Strome - a 4-year long term at $5m ($20m total) with no NTC for a 26 yo center/winger 2nd / 3rd line forward who plays on both PP and PK is quite different than a 7-year long term at $7m ($49m total) with NTC for a 29 yo top-6 winger who doesn’t PK.

The only similarity is that both 4- and 7-year deals fall into “long term” category around here.

no see that is exactly what I’m talking about. I much rather pay Kreider 7 than Strome 5 over this next window. I don’t believe in planning 5 to 7 years out. You cross that bridge at that point. It’s about the upcoming window which is over these next 5 years. I much rather have Kreider playing those 5 years than Strome playing 4 of them while blocking chytil. And if he’s put on the third line? I don’t want to pay him 5 mil there either

 

[Franko097]

Actually, based on what @Edge has reported, it’s more likely the Skjei and Buchnevich are tied together fate-wise, meaning Buchnevich could go for an upgrade on Skjei, who goes for a top six forward.

This makes all sense in the world. Tough needle to thread because in theory you need to find appropriate fits with two teams. Although if 76's value is higher that I think it should be (who can tell how each GM values defenseman), I imagine it's plausible

 

[Ghost of jas]

This makes all sense in the world. Tough needle to thread because in theory you need to find appropriate fits with two teams. Although if 76's value is higher that I think it should be (who can tell how each GM values defenseman), I imagine it's plausible

Both have drawn interest, so there’s definitely value.

 

[RiffyNYR61]

Yeah I like Strome on a two year deal but that’s it. I like Strome but I feel a lot of his production in based on Panarin

It's allll about the $. Is there value in a guy who can be relatively productive filling in up and down the lineup, but is best suited as a 3C? Yes. Do you pay $5 mil for that? Not if you're smart.

 

[Kovalev27]

Is Studnicka really that amazing of a prospect? Gauthier has a better PPG and more goals this season. Yes, I realize that they are a year apart in age, but Gauthier is also taller and bigger than him.

no one seems to know exactly why or how we got gauthier. I’m at a loss as to why Carolina wouldn’t give him the mins. He’s a beast. He’s got the work ethic skates well. I mean at worst he’s a third liner no? Can always teach a guy to play defense. He’s already a good pker apparently.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Studnicka has 39 points in 51 games this year, compared to Gauthier's 41 in 75. He also is the best player on the team so it isn't like he is being boosted by anyone offensively.

He isn't a stud, but he is certainly a better prospect than Gauthier overall. As with my comments about Newhook earlier, I think people would just be more excited to get him because we got him theoretically for a rental and historically you don't get a prospect as good as him for a rental.

HockeyDB has Gauthier at 44 AHL games this season with 37 points.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Gorton dragging this out as long as possible is bumming me out

Why? Like Edge said they are still trying to see if they can work out a new deal. If they cant by late tomorrow then he will sit out against San Jose

 

[EpicDing]

Gorton dragging this out as long as possible is bumming me out

Eh, tonight's game has HUGE implications for this team's playoff chances. If we win we're suddenly just 4 points out of a wild card spot and we have a good chance to make that up. If we lose we're 8 points out and things aren't looking great.

I would hope this doesn't affect the Kreider decision either way, but on some of our lesser players who are available I could see that playing into it.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Studnicka has 39 points in 51 games this year, compared to Gauthier's 41 in 75. He also is the best player on the team so it isn't like he is being boosted by anyone offensively.

He isn't a stud, but he is certainly a better prospect than Gauthier overall. As with my comments about Newhook earlier, I think people would just be more excited to get him because we got him theoretically for a rental and historically you don't get a prospect as good as him for a rental.

Huh?

Gauthier has 26-11-37 in 44 AHL games (0-1-1 in 6 NHL games).
Studnicka has 19-20-39 in 51 AHL games (0-1-1 in 2 NHL games).

 

[Mikos87]

I'd want a medical on Formenton. He is a speedster but had some injuries along the way.

Otherwise it's an interesting proposal. All depends on what Libor can show. I think Libor has higher upside if he can get the mental side of the game going for him.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Gorton dragging this out as long as possible is bumming me out

No different than in years past, unfortunately.

 

[Edge]

Actually, based on what @Edge has reported, it’s more likely the Skjei and Buchnevich are tied together fate-wise, meaning Buchnevich could go for an upgrade on Skjei, who goes for s top six forward.

Correct, there's a lot of moving parts that have some degree of connectivity.

For example, the Rangers could be eyeing Buch for a LD. From there, they could keep the LD along with Skjei, or they could move Skjei for a wing.

And both of those actions, could very well be tied into what happens with Kreider.

And what happens with Kreider, could also be tied into what their plans are for Lundqvist.

And what happens with Lundqvist could be tied into what types of offers they recieve for Georgiev.

And what types of offers they receive for Georgiev could be tied into how they approach moving Buch...

People tend to think of roster building as being very linear. A lot of times it isn't.

It's more like a choose your own adventure book:

You reach page 5, and you have top the option to go to page 6 or page 18.

Page 6 leads to a choice between page 12 or page 24. Page 18 leads to a choice between page 25 or page 33.

Etc. etc. etc.

So when we talk about the Rangers having multiple balls in the air/plates spinning, it's them trying to figure out what paths are available and what paths are not available. In some cases there are two deals that can both happen. In other cases, one deal might negate the ability to close the second deal.

So you end up with a scenario where (for example), the Rangers could be looking at trades that involve various combinations of defensemen and wingers. Not all of them are going to co-exist, some will be one or the other. But it's not just a matter of "keep Kreider or trade Kreider", or "keep Buch or move Buch", or whatever other name we want to insert in that type of sentence.

And that's important to remember when we hear different team names, potentially different player names, etc.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Considering all the kids I follow for trade rumors, nobody’s posting anything. You would think people would be making stuff up but it’s extremely quiet.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Correct, there's a lot of moving parts that have some degree of connectivity.

For example, the Rangers could be eyeing Buch for a LD. From there, they could keep the LD along with Skjei, or they could move Skjei for a wing.

And both of those actions, could very well be tied into what happens with Kreider.

And what happens with Kreider, could also be tied into what their plans are for Lundqvist.

And what happens with Lundqvist could be tied into what types of offers they recieve for Georgiev.

And what types of offers they receive for Georgiev could be tied into how they approach moving Buch...

People tend to think of roster building as being very linear. A lot of times it isn't.

It's more like a choose your own adventure book:

You reach page 5, and you have top the option to go to page 6 or page 18.

Page 6 leads to a choice between page 12 or page 24. Page 18 leads to a choice between page 25 or page 33.

Etc. etc. etc.

So when we talk about the Rangers having multiple balls in the air/plates spinning, it's them trying to figure out what paths are available and what paths are not available. In some cases there are two deals that can both happen. In other cases, one deal might negate the ability to close the second deal.

So you end up with a scenario where (for example), the Rangers could be looking at trades that involve various combinations of defensemen and wingers. Not all of them are going to co-exist, some will be one or the other. But it's not just a matter of keep Kreider or trade Kreider, or keep Buch or move Buch, or whatever other name we want to insert in that type of sentence.

And that's important to remember when we hear different team names, potentially different player names, etc.

You are not making things easier on this board at this time, you know.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Studnicka has 39 points in 51 games this year, compared to Gauthier's 41 in 75. He also is the best player on the team so it isn't like he is being boosted by anyone offensively.

He isn't a stud, but he is certainly a better prospect than Gauthier overall. As with my comments about Newhook earlier, I think people would just be more excited to get him because we got him theoretically for a rental and historically you don't get a prospect as good as him for a rental.

Love the talk about Newhook and I would trade Kreider straight up for him, but the chances of him being a Ranger are like >5%.

Studnicka on the other hand is what Boston will have to pony up if they are going "all in". I dont want to hand an in-conference team a player as important as Kreider for just an OK kid. They need quality (and more centers/forwards in their ranks), even if means Studnicka, a 1st and a conditional if he resigns. I mean you gotta get something of substance from Boston, not just quantity.

But this is the problem I was talking about earlier, if Boston and other teams are unwilling to even listen about their top prospects.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

would this be a good trade

Rangers trade Libor Hajek to Senators
Senators trade Alex Formenton to Rangers

Good minor league deal for us

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Eh, tonight's game has HUGE implications for this team's playoff chances. If we win we're suddenly just 4 points out of a wild card spot and we have a good chance to make that up. If we lose we're 8 points out and things aren't looking great.

I would hope this doesn't affect the Kreider decision either way, but on some of our lesser players who are available I could see that playing into it.

Carp and Larry seem to be saying how they play isn't going to affect what Gorton does, so we can only hope they're correct lol

 

[Fireonk]

HockeyDB has Gauthier at 44 AHL games this season with 37 points.

Huh?

Gauthier has 26-11-37 in 44 AHL games (0-1-1 in 6 NHL games).
Studnicka has 19-20-39 in 51 AHL games (0-1-1 in 2 NHL games).

Sorry, forgot to write that I was comparing him to Gauthier's stats last year. To point out their production at the same age.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Correct, there's a lot of moving parts that have some degree of connectivity.

For example, the Rangers could be eyeing Buch for a LD. From there, they could keep the LD along with Skjei, or they could move Skjei for a wing.

And both of those actions, could very well be tied into what happens with Kreider.

And what happens with Kreider, could also be tied into what their plans are for Lundqvist.

And what happens with Lundqvist could be tied into what types of offers they recieve for Georgiev.

And what types of offers they receive for Georgiev could be tied into how they approach moving Buch...

People tend to think of roster building as being very linear. A lot of times it isn't.

It's more like a choose your own adventure book:

You reach page 5, and you have top the option to go to page 6 or page 18.

Page 6 leads to a choice between page 12 or page 24. Page 18 leads to a choice between page 25 or page 33.

Etc. etc. etc.

So when we talk about the Rangers having multiple balls in the air/plates spinning, it's them trying to figure out what paths are available and what paths are not available. In some cases there are two deals that can both happen. In other cases, one deal might negate the ability to close the second deal.

So you end up with a scenario where (for example), the Rangers could be looking at trades that involve various combinations of defensemen and wingers. Not all of them are going to co-exist, some will be one or the other. But it's not just a matter of "keep Kreider or trade Kreider", or "keep Buch or move Buch", or whatever other name we want to insert in that type of sentence.

And that's important to remember when we hear different team names, potentially different player names, etc.

We just need a way of spying on their phones or a camera focused on the giant white board in Gorton’s office. Think everyone. How can this be accomplished?’ll check back in a couple minutes.

 

[Edge]

You are not making things easier on this board at this time, you know.

LOL, this and the draft are the absolute hardest times to keep track of. And it's (of course) the time people want every nugget of information.

At the very least I try to put the teams out there, because the actual players can change by the hour.

So far we've actually closed deals with two teams we had on the radar around here --- Caroline and Philly. Neither quite involved all the players that were on the radar, but there was one. In both cases, I think the door it still open for more dealings --- but we'll see.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Respectfully, I don't it was ever clear - especially regarding Strome and if it was, the waters have certainly become much more muddied. The only thing I think that was ever clear is that the fans wanted both to be traded. I think JG and JD were doing there due diligence and I think they were counting on a few things to happen that didn't and weren't counting on some things to happen that have. I think they were hoping to have seen bigger strides from Kravtsov. I think they were hoping Kakko could have made a more immediate impact. I don't think they expected this kind of season from either ADA/Fox, which is why you saw Keane moved to address a position of weakness and there are now bigger concerns regarding ADA's contract size. I don't think anyone expected the Lias Andersson saga.

Maybe the market for Kreider isn't what they expected. Maybe Chytil's play makes them feel confident in him as a 2C and are now more willing to move Strome as opposed to Kreider. Maybe there is something going on with Hank and moving out that capspace would allow us to do a number of great things. Maybe they expected more from Buch and expected him to step into Kreider's role if Kreids was traded.

The two themes here are that this season didn't go as expected (that includes both positives and negatives) and that there are a metric shit ton of maybes out there. That is why I believe this will be the craziest deadline we have seen in sometime. One move will lead to a cascade of other moves. Trade Kreider? Then ADA and Strome possibly get re-signed. Keep Kreider? Strome is probably on his way out and maybe Buch as well. Somehow find a taker for Hank? Maybe there is minimal deadline turnover. Maybe someone is willing to give good value for Skjei? Then all bets are off.

Where the cap relief comes from in order to put our team in a good position will best determine the subsequent actions. That is why I say this deadline will be the most important and will require the most nuance of all the deadlines in this rebuild. I think if there is has ever been a fair time to make a judgement on Jeff Gorton as the general manager of this team, it will start at 3:01 pm on Monday.

My apologies...I should have clarified in my post that it was the fans and not the front office.

 

[Edge]

Carp and Larry seem to be saying how they play isn't going to affect what Gorton does, so we can only hope they're correct lol

That is almost certainly correct.

The Rangers plan isn't going to change that drastically right now, and Kreider's value isn't rising or falling based on whether he's on a cold streak or a hot streak.