Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIII: 33rd thread twds the line of dead

[GAGLine]

1 year makes sense if his demands are long term and/or he wants to go to UFA.

2 years works. We really dont have anyone to play center. I dont understand the rush on some people to get rid of him

I don't think Strome is in a position to get a long term deal. He can certainly ask for one, but if I'm his agent, I would be advising against it since there probably isn't a team out there that would give him one. He just doesn't have enough of a track record to command that type of contract. Maybe some team would be willing to give him a 4th year, but he has a really good thing going with the Rangers. A shorter term deal would enable him to continue to build his value on a team where he has had success, and give him a chance at a much more significant payday in 2 or 3 years. The only way he gets a 1 year deal is if he goes to arbitration, but I don't see that happening.

Regarding the rush to get rid of him, I don't understand it either. We only have 5 top-6 players as it is. If and when Kreider is traded, that number will drop to 4. I love Chytil, but he isn't ready to be a #2 center. Kakko isn't ready to be a 2nd line winger. Kravtsov isn't ready to be an NHL player. If and when Chytil, or someone else, is ready to take over the 2nd line center duties, Strome can be moved to wing, moved down in the lineup, or traded. His value as a player with term remaining on his contract, and hopefully with even more success, will be higher than it is now.

 

[kovazub94]

I don't see Strome getting a 1 year deal. That's poor asset management on our part. Both Spooner and Namestnikov got 2 year deals. It's rare for a team to give a player a contract that walks him to free agency as soon as they are eligible. They either want the player to finish the contract as an RFA, so they maintain control, or they want to buy at least 1 UFA year. Strome will get a 2 or 3 year deal.

The situation/ context around where the Rangers are in their rebuild is different. Young guns would need less protection at their current stage of development compared to two years ago. Plus, Spooner and Namestnikov are actually pretty good examples of why the Rangers maybe should have given them one-year deals, no?

 

[RGY]

Our insiders have specifically mentioned strome as a player that may be leaving before next season.

I brought up Benning bc you brought up the toffoli trade as if I had missed it

Obviously strome would have value and does have value otherwise I wouldn't have suggested him in a deal to landed newhook. You brought up that he should return what toffoli did which I'm fairly confident he won't. Despite what you want to project, a players history does matter on his valuation.

Sakic had said repeatedly that he doesn't want to move Byram newhook or timmons just for a rental.

Widely reported that nyr will not allow another team to speak to CK's agent at this time

Strome and his value could be a missing part to a newhook CK trade to help land us that kind of level prospect because rarely do prospects with first line upside get dealt until they have significant struggles and are viewed as a reclamation project, and those caliber prospects are almost never traded for a pure rental.

We aren't undervaluing or players when the people with connections are almost regularly trying to tactfully prepare the board for deals that are more realistic than most posters' expectations.

People connections could be wrong. Things also can change. And this coming from someone who loves @Edge @bobbop @BBKers input.

Read my other posts on Newhook. Could it be you are getting a little too carried away with the infatuation of Newhook? Maybe because there was a slim possibility the Rangers COULD have traded for the Avs pick and LIKELY would have drafted Newhook that almost feels like he is a Ranger and now you have the glorified 16th overall pick of the 2019 draft.

Throwing in Strome to secure Newhook would be a stupid mistake.

If they are going to trade these guys, bring back multiple assets. Dont put your eggs all into one basket on ONE PROSPECT*. PROSPECT. PROSPECT. One more time for the people in the back...PROSPECT.

 

[bleedblue94]

Well, even if they go long term with Strome - a 4-year long term at $5m ($20m total) with no NTC for a 26 yo center/winger 2nd / 3rd line forward who plays on both PP and PK is quite different than a 7-year long term at $7m ($49m total) with NTC for a 29 yo top-6 winger who doesn’t PK.

The only similarity is that both 4- and 7-year deals fall into “long term” category around here.

A player like strome has no business getting a no trade clause, none.

 

[kovazub94]

A player like strome has no business getting a no trade clause, none.

That’s what I said.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I was avoiding Jost. That's what the + is for. Picks.

Does Newhook, Jost/Kaut and 1st sound better

Eh. I am hesitant on Kaut after the heart condition thing at the Combine. It may not be as serious as I think it is, but it's still a red flag for me. As fun as it would be to see another kid I followed around play for the Rangers, I just don't know about Kaut. Doesn't really move the needle for me. And Jost hasn't really upped his value either. Colorado's drafting has been dog shit for over a decade now. The last player they drafted outside the top 10 to play 100 games for them was Tyson Barrie in 2009

 

[Mr Clutch]

Would the bruins give us studnicka for kreider if we brought back david backes? Would maybe have to deal skjei at the draft to save some cap but that trade would have even more value for boston

 

[Fireonk]

People connections could be wrong. Things also can change. And this coming from someone who loves @Edge @bobbop @BBKers input.

Read my other posts on Newhook. Could it be you are getting a little too carried away with the infatuation of Newhook? Maybe because there was a slim possibility the Rangers COULD have traded for the Avs pick and LIKELY would have drafted Newhook that almost feels like he is a Ranger and now you have the glorified 16th overall pick of the 2019 draft.

Throwing in Strome to secure Newhook would be a stupid mistake.

If they are going to trade these guys, bring back multiple assets. Dont put your eggs all into one basket on ONE PROSPECT*. PROSPECT. PROSPECT. One more time for the people in the back...PROSPECT.

There is a lot less risk in getting a prospect who has had a very successful freshman season in college than a random late 1st round pick. Rangers have plenty of eggs already, even if overloaded on the defensive side at the moment. Quality over quantity at this point as far as I am concerned.

But I still expect the quantity option to be more realistic of a return.

 

[bleedblue94]

People connections could be wrong. Things also can change. And this coming from someone who loves @Edge @bobbop @BBKers input.

Read my other posts on Newhook. Could it be you are getting a little too carried away with the infatuation of Newhook? Maybe because there was a slim possibility the Rangers COULD have traded for the Avs pick and LIKELY would have drafted Newhook that almost feels like he is a Ranger and now you have the glorified 16th overall pick of the 2019 draft.

Throwing in Strome to secure Newhook would be a stupid mistake.

If they are going to trade these guys, bring back multiple assets. Dont put your eggs all into one basket on ONE PROSPECT*. PROSPECT. PROSPECT. One more time for the people in the back...PROSPECT.

As I said before I view strome as a 3rd liner that can fill in on the top line. For me a player like that who is going to be gone in a year or needs a contract to buyout ufa years isn't worth the drop in a prospect return from newhook the kaut.

I don't care about this summer and the maybe trade. I brought it up from valuation and history of interest by the teams.

As I've said repeatedly, a player like strome should not stop you if you have a chance to land a potential top line or top pair player in a trade.

You think strome is a deal breaker so let's just move on bc we view him and his value fundamentally different.

 

[bleedblue94]

That’s what I said.

Apologies, I misread it

 

[Off Sides]

I don't see Strome getting a 1 year deal. That's poor asset management on our part. Both Spooner and Namestnikov got 2 year deals. It's rare for a team to give a player a contract that walks him to free agency as soon as they are eligible. They either want the player to finish the contract as an RFA, so they maintain control, or they want to buy at least 1 UFA year. Strome will get a 2 or 3 year deal.

While I'd normally agree,

I think Strome falls into a different category.

I don't see anyway his UFA years cost more than they would this summer. If it turns out next year, his last RFA year, he stays the same or gets worse, those UFA years maybe cheaper to buy next summer than they would be this summer. The only way I thinkbthey get more expensive is if he improves, and I am not thinking that is all that likely.

 

[Edge]

People connections could be wrong. Things also can change. And this coming from someone who loves @Edge @bobbop @BBKers input.

Read my other posts on Newhook. Could it be you are getting a little too carried away with the infatuation of Newhook? Maybe because there was a slim possibility the Rangers COULD have traded for the Avs pick and LIKELY would have drafted Newhook that almost feels like he is a Ranger and now you have the glorified 16th overall pick of the 2019 draft.

Throwing in Strome to secure Newhook would be a stupid mistake.

If they are going to trade these guys, bring back multiple assets. Dont put your eggs all into one basket on ONE PROSPECT*. PROSPECT. PROSPECT. One more time for the people in the back...PROSPECT.

It goes without saying that balancing verification, accuracy and changing tides can be a nightmare.

And that's assuming you can get access to the information, which isn't always a given.

 

[mulli25]

Why anyone wouldn't want Strome on a 2 year deal is beyond me

Why anyone would want Strome on a long term deal is equally as far beyond me.

 

[NYR Viper]

Gorton's MO so far has been to get a couple of good prospects/players who probably project to lower-line depth and then to get a 1st where he can use it to swing a bit for the fences in the later 1st. See Miller, Lundqvist, Chytil.

Getting a couple of depth pieces, say that is Frederic and Heinen who can step in right now and help this team with its depth while grabbing a later 1st where he can take a higher risk selection isn't a bad route to take considering teams don't give away those higher end prospects for rentals practically ever.

For example, would anyone here want to move Miller or Lundqvist for 25 games of Kreider? How about one of them plus the Rangers 1st this year (assuming they were in the playoffs)? I wouldn't. You'd be looking at guys like Rykov, Gettinger, Robertson, Henriksson, etc.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Is Studnicka really that amazing of a prospect? Gauthier has a better PPG and more goals this season. Yes, I realize that they are a year apart in age, but Gauthier is also taller and bigger than him.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Why anyone wouldn't want Strome on a 2 year deal is beyond me

Why anyone would want Strome on a long term deal is equally as far beyond me.

Yeah I like Strome on a two year deal but that’s it. I like Strome but I feel a lot of his production in based on Panarin

 

[EpicDing]

Would the bruins give us studnicka for kreider if we brought back david backes? Would maybe have to deal skjei at the draft to save some cap but that trade would have even more value for boston

I think Studnicka is just flat out not available. He's their best prospect by a huge margin and the Bruins' top guys are getting up there in years.

 

[Franko097]

I personally think Strome is not even a thought to be moved now.

Skjei and Buch will be moved to make room if Kreider signs.

Agree with this. Although they should (and might) consider moving Skjei independent of the Kreider decision.

 

[RangersFan1994]

would this be a good trade

Rangers trade Libor Hajek to Senators
Senators trade Alex Formenton to Rangers

 

[Edge]

I think Studnicka is just flat out not available. He's their best prospect by a huge margin and the Bruins' top guys are getting up there in years.

I think this is really the heart of the subject.

Studnicka is a very good prospect, I wouldn't consider him a future star player though. I think he projects as a very good second line center.

However, when you look at the Bruins roster, his importance to them is high. And that, probably even more than his ceiling/projections/upside/etc., is a big part of him not being on the table.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Agree with this. Although they should (and might) consider moving Skjei independent of the Kreider decision.

Actually, based on what @Edge has reported, it’s more likely that Skjei and Buchnevich are tied together fate-wise, meaning Buchnevich could go for an upgrade on Skjei, who goes for a top six forward.

 

[Fireonk]

Is Studnicka really that amazing of a prospect? Gauthier has a better PPG and more goals this season. Yes, I realize that they are a year apart in age, but Gauthier is also taller and bigger than him.

Studnicka has 39 points in 51 games this year, compared to Gauthier's 41 in 75. He also is the best player on the team so it isn't like he is being boosted by anyone offensively.

He isn't a stud, but he is certainly a better prospect than Gauthier overall. As with my comments about Newhook earlier, I think people would just be more excited to get him because we got him theoretically for a rental and historically you don't get a prospect as good as him for a rental.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I don't know what kind of offers they are getting for CK, but if i had to guess with the teams involved it isn't up to snuff.

I'm coming around to the thought that the Rangers are better off keeping him if hell be willing to take a deal that is 6 years or less. If he requires 7 then the hit will have to be lower, much lower, and I don't think he's willing to leave that much money on the table.

I don't want to trade him for the sake of trading him and getting back a late first and a prospect thats just "OK". The Rangers have a very good list of prospects and the one they bring in needs to compliment not only their needs (a center would be nice), but also be quality, say in their top 6-8 at the very least.

But I really don't think that player is available. So you are kind of stuck if CK is unwilling to compromise (its in his right not to).

If we see him moved at the deadline for less than what we think he's worth (Unfortunately I think that will happen) then I think we have to accept the fact that the Rangers just couldn't afford him with their cap situation going forward.

If we all lower our expectations going into this next week i think it'll be easier to stomach whats about to happen if he isnt resigned.

 

[GAGLine]

The situation/ context around where the Rangers are in their rebuild is different. Young guns would need less protection at their current stage of development compared to two years ago. Plus, Spooner and Namestnikov are actually pretty good examples of why the Rangers maybe should have given them one-year deals, no?

Not at all. Spooner got us Strome. Maybe that deal doesn't happen if Spooner was a pending UFA. Namestnikov only netted us a 4th round pick, and Ottawa is almost certain to get more for him than that, but we aren't going to win every transaction.

In any case, Strome has had considerably more success with the Rangers than either of those 2. And as long as he is playing in our top 6, and with Panarin in particular, he should continue to have success. Every contract is a gamble, but giving Strome 2 years instead of 1 isn't really upping the risk all that much.

Consider also that we will need players to expose for the expansion draft. If we give Strome a 1 year deal, then he won't be eligible to be exposed, unless we re-sign him again before the draft. I'd rather just give him a 2 year deal now instead of having to worry about it next summer when he's a pending UFA.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

would this be a good trade

Rangers trade Libor Hajek to Senators
Senators trade Alex Formenton to Rangers

Yup. Formenton is a good player.