Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXII: One Thing Leads to Another

[Good Intentions]

Maybe it’s because I’m associating this with Craig Berube...Maybe it’s because JF Berube looks closer to 40...but I’m fairly sure JF has been a third goalie in Norfolk since 1996.

 

[Good Intentions]

Miller?!?

Just catching up here, but man, I would not move him unless a) a superstar is coming back or b) it’s 2-3 years down the line and he’s started to show signs of stagnation.

Of the 27,000 pages, this stood out to me as well. I’m sure Miller would be available - for a select few players. Highly, highly unlikely...

I do see Hajek kicked into a deal on Monday.

 

[Mr Clutch]

Had a dream last night we got byram and a 1st for kreider. I was pumped. But all in all, kreiders value has never been higher. He is playing at an unbelievable level and I'm sure teams are salivating at the chance to get him. He is exactly the type of guy u need in the postseason. We should only trade him for a home run and I think we just may get one with the way he is playing

 

[Ola]

Had a dream last night we got byram and a 1st for kreider. I was pumped. But all in all, kreiders value has never been higher. He is playing at an unbelievable level and I'm sure teams are salivating at the chance to get him. He is exactly the type of guy u need in the postseason. We should only trade him for a home run and I think we just may get one with the way he is playing

At the same time, just looking at what Taylor Hall returned, we are not getting grade A assets.

 

[wafflepadsave]

I understand sakic is interested in our goalie situation. He will take Lundqvist with 50% retention but we have to give him 3 first rounders.

I hope it’s not influencing JG but obviously the Friday game against Carolina is tantamount to a playoff game. Wonder if he’s influenced to keep Kreider thru the weekend?

you know that’s the case.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

Yeah, probably not. We’re all bummed out that Sakic doesn’t seem ripe for fleecing but that team isn’t going to win or lose a Cup because of a deadline acquisition.

I’m not saying Kreider puts them over the top. I’m saying in a generalization that, if he just continues on his same path they’ll just be on the cusp of one but IMO I don’t think they have what it takes to win one.

 

[offdacrossbar]

as kreider continues his resurgent play, the price will only go up. other teams will be kicking the tires.

dont count out dallas

boston makes too much sense and the avs are in need of a top 6 guy with all the injuries.

the bidding war is real. as much as newhook and byram arent in play now, everyone is on the table if they can resign #20 to a fair market deal. if chris agrees to sign a deal to stay in colorado- and who wouldn't want to do that ?, then theres a real chance a timmins or the others could well be in play.

byram would be more in play than newhook i think- slow start to the season and the fact that makar is such a stud, timmins and byram would be names i would be asking for. newhook is pipe dream.

as a pure rental- no way, but a trade and extend deal.... sure.

adding kreider to that lanche lineup would be pretty sexy. the avs can smell the stanley cup and sakic has a guy in his sights that would playoff toughen that lineup for this year and the next 6 after with a deal.

another strong game from him tomo night and who knows what the haul could be (with a signed kreider i mean).

 

[SA16]

At the same time, just looking at what Taylor Hall returned, we are not getting grade A assets.

I'm not expecting that but it also doesn't work that way at all. One trade does not immediately set the market. Just because one team makes a bad trade or gives out a bad contract does not mean every other team must do the same.

 

[wafflepadsave]

This is also called trying to retain leverage.

It doesn’t make me feel any better but thanks.

 

[egelband]

When Buchnevich scored and they did a cut to his mom high-fiving other moms... I would have died if when they cut to his mom she was just doing a standard stoic buch-face in reaction to his goal

Haaaaaaaaa. Awesome. Maybe a single solitary tear, to top it all off.

 

[NYR Viper]

Buch or Strome make more sense to Colorado just based on the way Salic does business and the fact that they have cap room next year

 

[wafflepadsave]

It's a message board.... lots of opinions here.



Good thing I didn't say that. I said I "vehemently, endlessly" disagree that it's just as important to make the playoffs now as it is to acquire top end talent, and I stand by that. I didn't say it doesn't help at all.

But I challenge the cliche that 18 year old Kakko OR 28 year old Panarin OR 26 year old Zibanejad really needs playoff experience THIS season (the latter two already have some playoff experience and the former is so young he has ample opportunity). It's not necessary right now. Plenty of teams have had their cores experience FAR more losing seasons consecutively for me to agree that it's more important than having top talent. It's just not. Talent is way more important.

Get the experience after you get the talent. Which, by the way, by as soon as next year, I will be in agreement, there will be no more room for sell offs.



It is just as unimportant as last year, which was our 2nd year missing the playoffs in a row. Rebuilding teams who established dynasties have missed the playoffs FAR, FAR longer than the Rangers have. Playoff experience is eventually vital but not imminently vital, there's just no argument that our young sub-25 year old players (many of whom are sub-22 year old players) need that experience now. 2 years out of the playoffs versus 3 is largely unimportant.



Irrelevant to my point.



It's not important that they get it NEXT YEAR (or this year). What, am I to believe that if Panarin suffers a season ending injury in week 1, and the Rangers miss the playoffs, that Kakko's development is forever harmed? No, it's not. Kakko does not need playoff experience now OR next year.



Well, it's transparent that some have also assumed a position just because they are out of patience for a rebuild.

I think and hope that we continue to have the opportunity to sell off a player each season, if it presents itself. If they keep strome and resign him, there’s a possibility that a prospect can replace him which brings the cost down and give us another asset.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I don’t know why everyone is freaking out over getting a center. They have their 2C of the future. Chytil. Problem solved.

 

[MrAlmost]

Unpopular opinion: If I were a GM and I had my choice between Hall and Krieder for trade or free agency, I think I would take krieder.

 

[offdacrossbar]

my gut tells me kreider will be a boston bruin

makes too much sense. home in ct can still play out east from mass bc guy. all that synergy.

plus adding kreider to that lineup and the way they play seems to be a match made.

again, does he sign a deal and does the deal get sweeter if that happens.

1st and a prospect like jake lauko as a rental seems reasonable market type deal

if the bidding war escalates, add beecher to the mix. ive cooled on frederick. not enuf there.

 

[NYR Viper]

my gut tells me kreider will be a boston bruin

makes too much sense. home in ct can still play out east from mass bc guy. all that synergy.

plus adding kreider to that lineup and the way they play seems to be a match made.

again, does he sign a deal and does the deal get sweeter if that happens.

1st and a prospect like jake lauko as a rental seems reasonable market type deal

if the bidding war escalates, add beecher to the mix. ive cooled on frederick. not enuf there.

I agree it would seem Boston fits. They have the need and I think they'd LOVE to re-sign him. Their window is for the next 3 years or so.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I know Fast shouldn't be on the 2nd line but this team is really gonna miss his work ethic and defensive abilities. Im surprised they haven't even talked contact

 

[archanfelnsx]

Maybe it’s because I’m associating this with Craig Berube...Maybe it’s because JF Berube looks closer to 40...but I’m fairly sure JF has been a third goalie in Norfolk since 1996.

You are thinking maybe of JF Labbe

 

[Good Intentions]

You are thinking maybe of JF Labbe

great call.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I'm not expecting that but it also doesn't work that way at all. One trade does not immediately set the market. Just because one team makes a bad trade or gives out a bad contract does not mean every other team must do the same.

Especially since prices in the last week appear to have gone up significantly.

 

[NYSPORTS]

as kreider continues his resurgent play, the price will only go up. other teams will be kicking the tires.

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let’s hope the Rangers asking price doesn’t botch the market though. Asking for a Top Prospect and a #1 (which is likely late) and a lesser player plus a conditional.

and they have multiple RFA so . . . get going Gordon. A lot of work to do

 

[pld459666]

Not for nothing, but when @Edge drops the idea that in the right deal, Miller or Kravtsov could be available, that should be an indication that this organization isn’t necessarily just penciling in prospects as givens. They are going to explore trades for younger players that are already at the NHL. So, the draft isn’t necessarily going to be what the Rangers are relying on to complete this build. If they do get a 1st if they trade Kreider, it’s more likely than not going to be used to add an NHL-ready player and not so much to trade up in the first round.

Been saying this when the rebuild started.

At some point there will be a 3 for 1 trade where we move three assets.

It's either a young and established 2nd line Center, or a young and established top pair left side defender

 

[Shesterkybomb]

So it appears as though everything we have been saying since Kreider got drafted is true. He DOES have all the tools to be a top line player if he plays hard every night. Unfortunately he left it until half way into a contract year where he is a trade target to give a crap. Does anyone here feel this is the Kreider we will be resigning? I don't, I think once he is paid we are gonna get the same Kreider we have seen since he entered the league, always leaving you asking for more and fairly inconsistent. I think his value is sky high now and we have to trade him.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

let’s hope the Rangers asking price doesn’t botch the market though. Asking for a Top Prospect and a #1 (which is likely late) and a lesser player plus a conditional.

and they have multiple RFA so . . . get going Gordon. A lot of work to do

I think the asking price is just that, they are asking for it but not likely expecting it. I'd expect it to be closer to the Hayes deal than what they are asking.

 

[RGY]

I think and hope that we continue to have the opportunity to sell off a player each season, if it presents itself. If they keep strome and resign him, there’s a possibility that a prospect can replace him which brings the cost down and give us another asset.

While I understand they will have to trade Kreider and Fast if they are not extended, selling off aka maximizing assets every year is just not how it works. There will come a time when they will self rent. This is not a video game. That time could start next year with how well Igor is playing. Shades of Hank. Had Igor been called up even just a month sooner, who knows they may have even just 6-8 more points putting them in a playoff spot. It is such an egregiously terrible message to your group when you are sitting comfortably in a playoff spot and you start sending out players that were a big part of the room (talking about the coming years not this one). Rangers dont make the 2014 SCF if they take this approach and sell Boyle and Stralman. But hey I know there are some special fans here that would have rather done that than played in the cup finals.