Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXII: One Thing Leads to Another

[Chalfdiggity3]

. You misinterpreted. I never said give him what he wants ..I said a compromise. If Kreider takes a bit less then it makes perfect sense. The Rangers aren’t a bottom feeder they are closer. Can’t waste years of Panarin either by trading assets every year. Look I was the one who wanted to rebuild in 2016 but sooner or later you gotta start wanting to compete

A rebuild takes longer than 2 years and I agree we are closer than before but this and next year we are not cup contenders. We are 2 years into the rebuild, people need to have patience. This is the last year I see as the trade off. Next year will be different. I dont see how you can say doing a rebuild the right way isnt me wanting to compete lol. I want to compete but i also want to build our team into a perennial contender like how the hawks, Bruins, and pens were built. All those took 3-5 years. Right now i believe we are on pace for 3 years.

Also why would krieder want to what you are saying? That's basically 10-14 million being left on the table from what he wants. He wants 7x7 which is Anders Lee money which he will get. If he would do 7aav x 5 years yea I'm cool with that but I doubt he is otherwise he would have signed on the dotted line.

 

[Edge]

Studnicka may be untouchable today. That may change by Monday.

I will say that Studnicka being untouchable has been consistent for a year now. He was the guy the Rangers we’re pushing for last year and Boston didn’t bite. He came up again earlier this season and the Rangers were told he is not on the table. So, at least to this point, Boston has been adamant about not including him.

 

[NYR Viper]

Ironically enough, I don’t have a good read on what progress, if any has been made. There is part of me that suspects that even if the gulf was too big to cross, Gorton wouldn’t advertise that. He’d have no reason to signal to other teams that he HAS to move Kreider. I further suspect he’d want to get a clearer picture of “last best offers” in the lead up to the 11th hour.

Something else may be that they are gauging what contract he would accept and funneling that’s info to other teams looking to both trade for him and possibly sign him long term. By attaching a conditional pick to the package but knowing what he wants it may be easier to fulfill that additional pick

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Studnickas stock has risen lately but is he that much better than Madden who was dealt for Toffoli? I think he is in the same church maybe a pew up.

Problem is he’s Boston’s best prospect and Vancouver had Hoglander & Podkolzin above Madden.

I’m sorry but if you are “going for it” I think he needs to be in the deal from the Rangers perspective.

Beecher is a decent prospect but he isn’t even better than Gauthier. Not very big on him. I don’t think he would even crack the Rangers top 10. Rangers need quality in this deal. I would even skip the draft pick (which would essentially be a second anyway) and focus on the quality not just a throw in because you need to get something.

 

[Ghost of jas]

This screams trading Skjei and Buchnevich to me

You can probably throw Strome in there, too.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Do you want to keep Kreider if it means DeAngelo gets pushed out?

Because thats the most likely outcome IMO.

Thank you! That's another part of signing krieder to that crazy contract does

 

[Thirty One]

Why do Toronto and Ottawa seem to make so many deals with each other?

It's a local call for Dorion and he doesn't pay for long-distance.

 

[Lion Hound]

The Rangers “ask” for number #20 seems to be the only info we’re going to get. It’s tough to read between the lines on this one but when Bobfather says he more likely to be traded then not you have to believe the guy. He’s really “the” best source for info. It’s going to suck that he is retiring.

I’m still on the side of the fence that wants to keep him, and resign him.

 

[Edge]

This screams trading Skjei and Buchnevich to me

Quite possible.

But I also have to stress that when we talk about Skjei or Buch, we really do have to consider that most deals involving them would also have salary coming back. So it’s not like we’re trading Buch and Skjei and clearing up $8.5 million.

You might be looking at a more modest difference, maybe $2 million, or even less.

I don’t see the Rangers pursuing a Buch to Edmonton type deal like they did last season.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

You can probably throw Strome in there, too.

Seems like a lot of moving parts to figure out in the next few days

 

[Ghost of jas]

Seems like a lot of moving parts to figure out in the next few days

@Edge has been saying that this is the case.

 

[Edge]

Studnickas stock has risen lately but is he that much better than Madden who was dealt for Toffoli? I think he is in the same church maybe a pew up.

Problem is he’s Boston’s best prospect and Vancouver had Hoglander & Podkolzin above Madden.

I’m sorry but if you are “going for it” I think he needs to be in the deal from the Rangers perspective.

Beecher is a decent prospect but he isn’t even better than Gauthier. Not very big on him. I don’t think he would even crack the Rangers top 10. Rangers need quality in this deal. I would even skip the draft pick (which would essentially be a second anyway) and focus on the quality not just a throw in because you need to get something.

Studnicka is a prospect I like, a lot. However, his status and projections surrounding him have kind of taken on a life of their own over the last 12 months or so.

He’s a very good prospect, but I don’t think he’s a great, potential star player type prospect. And I feel like a lot of chatter around him has kind of drifted into the latter territory.

 

[NYR Viper]

Quite possible.

But I also have to stress that when we talk about Skjei or Buch, we really do have to consider that most deals involving them would also have salary coming back. So it’s not like we’re trading Buch and Skjei and clearing up $8.5 million.

You might be looking at a more modest difference, maybe $2 million, or even less.

I don’t see the Rangers pursuing a Buch to Edmonton type deal like they did last season.

I really don’t see how they can afford Kreider and only clear $2m on those deals. I’m not questioning what you’re saying but it more reinforces that Kreider may not work even with those deals

 

[Edge]

I really don’t see how they can afford Kreider and only clear $2m on those deals. I’m not questioning what you’re saying but it more reinforces that Kreider may not work even with those deals

It’s not an easy task. Whatever side of the issue one falls on, we have to understand that there is follow up work to be done.

Keeping Kreider will not live in isolation. It could mean trades and will impact the approach taken with other contracts.

Moving Kreider will not live in isolation. It could mean trades and will impact the approach taken with other contracts.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Ironically enough, I don’t have a good read on what progress, if any has been made. There is part of me that suspects that even if the gulf was too big to cross, Gorton wouldn’t advertise that. He’d have no reason to signal to other teams that he HAS to move Kreider. I further suspect he’d want to get a clearer picture of “last best offers” in the lead up to the 11th hour.

I’m betting on 3:55 Monday.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

It’s not an easy task. Whatever side of the issue one falls on, we have to understand that there is follow up work to be done.

Keeping Kreider will not live in isolation. It could mean trades and will impact the approach taken with other contracts.

Moving Kreider will not live in isolation. It could mean trades and will impact the approach taken with other contracts.

Is it possible that the Rangers sign Kreider and do nothing else?

Or not trade him but not sign ?

 

[Gardner McKay]

That Kreider has package is pretty similar to what we’ve all been bantering about for months.

That’s a real solid package. He also mentioned that they would like to add a conditional pick of some kind based on whether he signs with that team.

As a moderator of this board AND the trade forum, if Kreider goes to the Islanders I might just retire on the spot

I’m betting on 3:55 Monday.

I hope not. We would be 56 minutes too late to make a deal.

 

[Edge]

Is it possible that the Rangers sign Kreider and do nothing else?

Or not trade him but not sign ?

To the first question: At the TDL? Possibly. But they would HAVE to make moves over the summer - one way or another.

To the second question: Doubtful. He’s either getting signed or traded. I would be SHOCKED if they kept him without a contract.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I guess that means @Edge wants to see me retire

 

[Edge]

I guess that means @Edge wants to see me retire

The last comment about missing the deadline made me laugh out loud.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

To the first question: At the TDL? Possibly. But they would HAVE to make moves over the summer - one way or another.

To the second question: Doubtful. He’s either getting signed or traded. I would be SHOCKED if they kept him without a contract.

Yes sorry I didn’t clarify

I’m talking about signing Kreider at the deadline and not making anymore moves until the summer

 

[Gardner McKay]

The last comment about missing the deadline made me laugh out loud.

Ahh it must have been right as I merged my own posts.

You think there are any dark horse trade candidates? Someone where we all just go... WTF?

 

[NYRangers0723]

Is it possible that the Rangers sign Kreider and do nothing else?

Or not trade him but not sign ?

if they can’t sign him they will trade him. But my gut feeling is that teams aren’t coming close to our asking price which means if we do trade Kreider it’s not gonna be a great package

 

[Edge]

Yes sorry I didn’t clarify

I’m talking about signing Kreider at the deadline and not making anymore moves until the summer

Possible. I think Fast still goes. But Strome, Buch, etc. could theoretically wait.

Having said that, I do wonder how Gorton would feel about heading into the summer with other teams knowing he has to move bodies - be it Buch, Strome, buyout Lundqvist, etc.

Thus far, Gorton has tried to avoid scenarios, or at least the perception that he “has” to make a move.

 

[NYR Viper]

Ahh it must have been right as I merged my own posts.

You think there are any dark horse trade candidates? Someone where we all just go... WTF?

I heard the Monstars are quietly pursuing McKegg