Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXII: One Thing Leads to Another

[NYRangers0723]

If he is unavailable how can the other teams know what their demands are?

Well obviously he is gonna to interested teams just in case.

 

[dccuse]

Well that pick was utterly humiliating.

Its crazy to think that had Hugh panned out, he'd STILL be retired by now...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'm glad to see that we've gotten to the absurd mental gymnastics portion of the pre TDL.

 

[rangerfan_79]

Absolutely love posters saying we will or won't get anything for Krieder. I get we should temper our expectations but all it takes is one dim witted or desperate Gm to make such offer.

If all GM's practiced self control there would likely not be a need for a salary cap or the league to review trades to a certain extent.

 

[rangers1314]

Its crazy to think that had Hugh panned out, he'd STILL be retired by now...

Not necessarily - 12 of the 30 guys picked in that 1st round are still playing in the NHL. A few others are still active overseas. A remarkable draft year.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

not going to happen. I'll eat my own shit and livestream it to you guys if we get Newhook.

Dude you saw what happened to @Machinehead right?

 

[Ghost of jas]

Kreider isn't getting a 1st, top prospect, and an impactful roster player unless Gorton allows a team to negotiate an extension with him.

1st and a B prospect. A throw-in roster player if the team needs cap relief. The Toffoli deal set the market.

The other way to look at this, (and I've had someone else at another site tell me this based on a reliable source he has), is that the Rangers are only moving Kreider IF they get a king's ransom.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Read into this what you want...

As of this morning, the Rangers have not made Kreider available but they have exchanged names with at least one team.

That’s cus they still think they’re a playoff team.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Listening to Dave Pagnotta. Says Avs and Bruins still heavy on CK (especially the former). The Avs have him first on their desired list.
Even said the islanders are still lurking potentially since its a fact they are interested in Kreider.
Gorton has not allowed anyone to talk to Kreider’s agent

Which means they’re really trying to sign him.

 

[DutchShamrock]

The other way to look at this, and I've had someone else at another site say this is that, the Rangers are only moving Kreider IF they get a king's ransom.

Let's say that is the game plan. At what point do they say the deals aren't sufficient and we will re-sign? It has to be a day before the deadline. We can't let him go past the deadline and surrender that much leverage.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Let's say that is the game plan. At what point do they say the deals aren't sufficient and we will re-sign? It has to be a day before the deadline. We can't let him go past the deadline and surrender that much leverage.

There's a lot to pull together here, but, @Edge has made it no secret that the Rangers, to put it kindly, would not be upset at all if Lundqvist announced his retirement. My guess is that if the Rangers and Kreider were close enough on a deal that they believed they could get something done before July 1, they wouldn't consider that they'd have to trade Kreider by Monday. @Edge has said it...Gorton has a lot of possibilities here.

 

[Trxjw]

The other way to look at this, (and I've had someone else at another site tell me this based on a reliable source he has), is that the Rangers are only moving Kreider IF they get a king's ransom.

I could certainly see them angling for that, but I'm not sure they can get it for a rental. Plus teams know they're staring down a pretty tight cap situation if they elect to keep him. Though who knows what other moves are in play right now.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The other way to look at this, (and I've had someone else at another site tell me this based on a reliable source he has), is that the Rangers are only moving Kreider IF they get a king's ransom.

Although I guess shout out to Gorton if that’s true. Dudes been sticking to his guns about getting a kings ransom for Kreider for 18 months now

Sticking to your guns so much that you’re willing to sign a potentially bad deal

 

[dccuse]

Not necessarily - 12 of the 30 guys picked in that 1st round are still playing in the NHL. A few others are still active overseas. A remarkable draft year.

So youre saying theres a sliver of a hope that he still makes it?

 

[Ghost of jas]

I could certainly see them angling for that, but I'm not sure they can get it for a rental. Plus teams know they're staring down a pretty tight cap situation if they elect to keep him. Though who knows what other moves are in play right now.

I think Gorton has a lot more options than people think.

 

[aufheben]

That first ignore after retiring was probably the most satisfying moment on this board for me.

As a millennial this is probably the closest I’ll ever get to a real retirement.

 

[Bob Richards]

Dude you saw what happened to @Machinehead right?

Machinehead is a man of honor and kept his word.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Tuch out long-term. Vegas fighting to make the POs.

GO GET ME ALL THE BIG, FAST RIGHTHANDED WINGERS.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think Gorton has a lot more options than people think.

He does. He has more flexibility than almost anyone.

I don't think the high ask for Kreider is anything other than what we see for anyone during the TDL. You always start your ask high and then adjust from there.

 

[SA16]

I don’t even know what “made [player] available” even means. That sounds like a synonym for “not doing your job.” If another teams calls and asks about him you’re going to say not interested too bad before even listening to what the other guy has to say?

 

[wafflepadsave]

That first ignore after retiring was probably the most satisfying moment on this board for me.

Maybe so but why camp there when there’s so much more for you to explore.

 

[Off Sides]

I am unsure how good GMs actually negotiate, I am under the impression they put out realistic parameters and if anyone inquires it gets more and more specific as the talks go on.

If not they are basically boxing themselves in. A 1st, prospect, and probably some conditional thing(s) is what we have seen come out of the Rangers selling for the most part, I doubt they went into all those deals saying we want this that or the other thing specifically or we going to walk.

Do they add to a parameter, or subtract based on the their perception of the market and interest in their original parameters? Seems logical to me.

Not so much they ask for the moon because they know they will not get it. They hope the moon is offered yet have the fall back position of taking what was originally within their parameters.

 

[Cassano]

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’m still a little unclear on how Lundqvist and the measly one year left on his deal has literally any effect on Kreiders 6-7 year deal

 

[Thirty One]

I’m still a little unclear on how Lundqvist and the measly one year left on his deal has literally any effect on Kreiders 6-7 year deal

Next year does seem to be the bottleneck.