Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXX: Cue Europe

[aufheben]

Would you be satisfied with Byram OR newhook alone, nothing else added.

Careful, we did the same thing expecting Sergachev for McDonah and a 1st for Zuccarello.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I'm not contract law specialist but he would have to pay that $1MM bonus back if he retired after receiving on July 1st or that $1MM would count against the cap if the Rangers chose to let him keep it.

I believe his actual salary is $4.5MM next year so he'd be walking away from $3.5MM.

I think we've reached the point where $3.5M is "no big deal" and Lundqvist should walk away from it "for the good of the team."

Anyway, I think something has to happen with Lundqvist pretty soon. If not the trade deadline, then certainly before the start of next season. You can see the signs already, but it would really really stink of the fanbase grows to resent a guy who has given all he had to this franchise. And for what? Because there's not a market out there for an overpaid 38 year old goaltender?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Can’t believe Gorton didn’t trade McD for Adam Foote. Dudes always asleep at the wheel.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I think we've reached the point where $3.5M is "no big deal" and Lundqvist should walk away from it "for the good of the team."

Anyway, I think something has to happen with Lundqvist pretty soon. If not the trade deadline, then certainly before the start of next season. You can see the signs already, but it would really really stink of the fanbase grows to resent a guy who has given all he had to this franchise. And for what? Because there's not a market out there for an overpaid 38 year old goaltender?

You either die the hero or live long enough to become the villain.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

We’re less than a week until the TDL and I need some actual rumors. Seems like the “insiders” are really slacking. In the NBA you have Woj breaking stuff left and right and in the NHL it seems like we get Friedman or LeBrun tweeting “I’m hearing something with XYZ...” and then the teams official account posts a transaction a minute later.

 

[bobbop]

Many moons ago Keith Tkachuk did.

Tkachuk was 35

 

[Good Intentions]

No inside info, but my gut feel is that next Monday will live up to your wildest of outcomes:

1. Kreider resigns
2. Henrik accepts a trade to Colorado
3. Another unexpected piece (Skjei) is part of that Colorado deal.
4. You’re not getting one of the Avs prized prospects in return
5. Georgiev stays
6. JD makes two other deals, Strome to STL and Hajek is flipped elsewhere with Fast.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Would you be satisfied with Byram OR newhook alone, nothing else added.

Of course. But GMs do not trade elite prospects for a rental. It just won't happen, especially with Sakic. If we want one of those in a Kreider trade there would have to be more pieces (like one of our prospects going back..Miller? Lundkvist? etc)

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Of course. But GMs do not trade elite prospects for a rental. It just won't happen, especially with Sakic. If we want one of those in a Kreider trade there would have to be more pieces (like one of our prospects going back..Miller? Lundkvist? etc)

Lias!

 

[Avery16]

Tkachuk was 35

35 in Tkachuk years tho

 

[NYSPORTS]

Careful, we did the same thing expecting Sergachev for McDonah and a 1st for Zuccarello.

that’s the scary part of waiting until the last minute. Gordon blinked and Yzerman sent less.

Meanwhile, I wouldn’t even bother picking up the phone with Dallas. If the resigned Zucs the Rangers would have had a #1. Text us an offer and we’ll respond Dallas. Otherwise, get lost.

 

[QJL]

Of course. But GMs do not trade elite prospects for a rental. It just won't happen, especially with Sakic. If we want one of those in a Kreider trade there would have to be more pieces (like one of our prospects going back..Miller? Lundkvist? etc)

Or a Mark Stone type resign immediately situation.

 

[Good Intentions]

Meanwhile, I wouldn’t even bother picking up the phone with Dallas. If the resigned Zucs the Rangers would have had a #1. Text us an offer and we’ll respond Dallas. Otherwise, get lost.

that is very tough talk if we were in the 10th grade. Business within the National Hockey League works slightly different.

 

[Ola]

What do you guys think it will take to get the rights to Jessie puljujarvi?

Obviously there where discussions between Gorton and Holland. Lias didn’t interest EDM, they wanted wheels. What were the discussions about, EDM must have had their sights on someone on our roster? Howden?

The talks I’ve heard has been Kostin from STL or Gauthier from Carolina, and in both cases with the addition of a 2nd round pick. Right? I seem to remember that being the case.

EDM got a hang-up on speed. A faster top 9 forward and a 2nd could do the trick.

Would EDM match an offer sheet at 4m per for Pulju? One year deal. They have 12 players under contract for next year at 69m. About 10m to fill 9 spots unless my math is off. 2nd rounder in compensation.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Grubauer out indefinitely. Could there be a trade for king Henrik on the horizon?

 

[bleedblue94]

Careful, we did the same thing expecting Sergachev for McDonah and a 1st for Zuccarello.

I wasn't suggesting it so much as a realistic proposal as I was seeing if people would actually package those two assets. Usually teams/fans want assets split bc they feel they can get "more," but we are at the stage of get the best single piece you can.

 

[Ola]

A interesting topic is that many of the top insiders had Gorton going nuts last summer if we couldn’t have landed Panarin. We — all — laughed at those reports, but we also didn’t believe that Gorton would go after both Trouba and Panarin.

Were those reports true??

I believe that Gorton is OK with a sell-off this year. But I don’t think he is prepared to ice a roster for next season that doesn’t have a good shot at taking a step forward compared to this year.

Wouldn’t surprise me if Gorton where considering a lot of things going into this summer. 16m offer sheet for Barzal or bust.

 

[Avery16]

We’re less than a week until the TDL and I need some actual rumors. Seems like the “insiders” are really slacking. In the NBA you have Woj breaking stuff left and right and in the NHL it seems like we get Friedman or LeBrun tweeting “I’m hearing something with XYZ...” and then the teams official account posts a transaction a minute later.

Where's Boomer when you need him

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

No inside info, but my gut feel is that next Monday will live up to your wildest of outcomes:

1. Kreider resigns
2. Henrik accepts a trade to Colorado
3. Another unexpected piece (Skjei) is part of that Colorado deal.
4. You’re not getting one of the Avs prized prospects in return
5. Georgiev stays
6. JD makes two other deals, Strome to STL and Hajek is flipped elsewhere with Fast.

This is a fun game to play.

1. Kreider gets traded to St Louis, half the board rejoices, the other half whines about becoming the Sabres.
2. Henrik Stays, retires at the end of the season.
3. Fast gets moved (Philly?) but returns to NY this summer.
4. Georgiev stays and we ride out the 3 goalie system for the rest of the year.
5. Lias goes for Puju.
6. Big deals involving other roster players wait until June.
7. Gorton makes a massive splash on the trade market using some of the assets he got in return at the deadline along with a few prospects.
8. Staal will continue to suck.

 

[LannyMcdonald]

If Kreider said to his agent, "I'm thinking of going short term to be a team player for the rangers", exhibit A from the agent is Shattenkirk and why that is out of the question. Kreider can make his choice, but that loyalty might not be a 2 way street. Shattenkirk could have gotten another 3 years at $6.5m. I doubt he makes that up in the rest of playing days.

My intention isn't to be preachy, and you found an example when requested during a conversation. I'm just working through it in my head. CK had a front row seat to business in the NHL.

FWIW - I totally agree - I think the way we handled Shatty sent a bad message / set a bad precedent. And probably undermines the chances of Kreider doing the same.

just saying, you never know what the Venn diagram of nyc and hometown discounts will produce. We’ve seen stranger things. And plenty of not strange things too.

 

[LORDE]

Would you be satisfied with Byram OR newhook alone, nothing else added.

Hells yea (won't happen but yes)

 

[TheBloodyNine]

You'd move them for Shane Bowers?!?

DAMMIT!!

 

[Vitto79]

Grubauer out indefinitely. Could there be a trade for king Henrik on the horizon?

Is he for sure ?
Price rumoured which is a long shot

 

[GAGLine]

If Kreider said to his agent, "I'm thinking of going short term to be a team player for the rangers", exhibit A from the agent is Shattenkirk and why that is out of the question. Kreider can make his choice, but that loyalty might not be a 2 way street. Shattenkirk could have gotten another 3 years at $6.5m. I doubt he makes that up in the rest of playing days.

My intention isn't to be preachy, and you found an example when requested during a conversation. I'm just working through it in my head. CK had a front row seat to business in the NHL.

More years isn't always a good thing. I'd bet Zucc is having second thoughts about not taking the 4 year deal from Dallas.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

FWIW - I totally agree - I think the way we handled Shatty sent a bad message / set a bad precedent. And probably undermines the chances of Kreider doing the same.

just saying, you never know what the Venn diagram of nyc and hometown discounts will produce. We’ve seen stranger things. And plenty of not strange things too.

I don't think we mishandled the Shatty situation -- and I don't think it was Gorts' Plan A....I think it was final move of a list -- none of which panned out -- and I believe Gorts tried to come up with some kind of deal. But everyone knew he was in a corner, so why would another GM make a trade anything for a player who would come free and cheap?