style of play is so much more than the difference a few inches and pounds make. You should know this by now. We've had some lion-hearted mice and some fairly timid giants on this team. I'll take the ones that play like lions no matter how short they are, but 6'0" isnt a disqualifying height for an NHL defensive defenseman.
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Well, I don’t know why you are changing discussion to 3RD options, while the issue is Fox’s ability to play the physical game that Trouba brings at his level and against his competition.
What more is there to say? I said I believe Fox's defensive game will eclipse Trouba's within three seasons. I said it doesn't matter that Fox is a puny 6'0".
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I know what you’re talking about but wanted to give him a benefit of a doubt and he’s one of the two loudest anti-Trouba’s voices regardless of motivations.
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Because I think you should explain why you think that “puny 6’0” “ is not an issue because otherwise it boils down to a baseless belief.
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I still get the feeling that something gets done for DeAngelo, Strome and Fast. I think the return for Kreider will be enough to make them trade him. I really dont know why this organization doesn't have talks with Kreider, tell him we are gonna trade you, how much would you want to come back after the season? Get the assets, sign the player and win win. Like we could probably dump Smith with him at half retained if we sent him to Colorado.
you can boil it down to whatever you feel like, thats your take and its a free country. Ray Bourque was 6'0". Chris Chelios was 6'1". Brian Leetch was 6'1". Ulf Samuelsson was 6'1". Vladimir Konstantinov was 5'11". Darius Kasparaitis was 5'11". This is literally the dumbest argument I have ever been in on here. Being less than 6'2" is not a disability and it prevents no one from being a premier, hall-of-fame defensive defenseman.
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He was anti-vocal before the trade. He never liked Trouba. He literally goes out of his way to find mistakes in his game.
When a poster has that kind of personal agenda, it’s disturbing.
I don't dislike Trouba, but why is it disturbing to dislike a player? That's part of being a fan of a game. Heroes and villains. Take me- I hate Marchand. I could explain why, but I think some portion of it is just his ugly, ugly excuse of a face. Theres nothing disturbing about not liking a professional athlete.
https://nypost.com/2020/01/24/ryan-...ock-bottom-trade-deadline-all-things-rangers/
Q: You’re a restricted free agent. How do you feel about the possibility you could be traded?
A: I’ve been traded twice now. The third time wouldn’t be anything that I’m not used to. I love it here, though. I really hope I stay. I feel like I’ve lived in New York for so long, it’s my second home. The coaching staff and the management here, I think I’ve found a little bit of a home. Whatever happens, happens. It’s a business, but I think you just take everything in stride as an athlete.
That doesn't sound like a discount
Q: You’re a restricted free agent. How do you feel about the possibility you could be traded?
A: I’ve been traded twice now. The third time wouldn’t be anything that I’m not used to. I love it here, though. I really hope I stay. I feel like I’ve lived in New York for so long, it’s my second home. The coaching staff and the management here, I think I’ve found a little bit of a home. Whatever happens, happens. It’s a business, but I think you just take everything in stride as an athlete.
That doesn't sound like a discount
Trouba does things no other defenseman we have can : he spams shots on net , he has size and plays nasty , he can play 25 min a night . Guys look at him through a contract tinted prism . Take away the 8x8 and NMC and he’s the type of player everyone wants on their team . I’m sure if you watched Seth Jones every single game you’d find holes in his game . Trouba isn’t or shouldn’t be going anywhere . The rangers need to find other ways to shed cap to retain ADA , and IMO CK . Losing those two is Edmonton style rebuild . What’s the use of stockpiling picks and prospects in lieu of veterans . In this league it takes most guys until they’re 22-24 to start to figure it out and be impactful .
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Kreider will be well on the decline when the team is in it's window in 2-3 years. We don't need CK tying up our cap space for the next 6-7 years or we can kiss Zibanejad goodbye when his contract is up. At least Zibanejad will still be able to put up 55-60 points when he starts to decline. What good is Kreider when he cant even score 40 points when his speed starts to go?
Pierre LeBrun wrote an article in The Athletic this morning previewing the trade deadline one month from today.
He spoke to Matt Keator. The Rangers have not been talking to him about a contract extension. The Rangers have not had any discussions with Fast’s agent. LeBrun wrote he gets the sense the Rangers want to keep Quickie. The Rangers are not in rush to move Georgiev. They are listening but they are fully committed to moving Georgiev.
He wrote about the Avs, Bruins and Blues as possibilities for Kreider.
He spoke to Matt Keator. The Rangers have not been talking to him about a contract extension. The Rangers have not had any discussions with Fast’s agent. LeBrun wrote he gets the sense the Rangers want to keep Quickie. The Rangers are not in rush to move Georgiev. They are listening but they are fully committed to moving Georgiev.
He wrote about the Avs, Bruins and Blues as possibilities for Kreider.
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Height and weight information from NHL teams throughout the years have been notoriously and often skewered. Scott Stevens wasn't very tall either. You know what?---he was a big guy. Same with Raymond Bourque. Leetch played at 200 or so but I don't think he was as tall as 6'1. Both he and Bourque were probably around 5'11. Most all of the guys you mentioned above played at 200 or 200 + lbs. Fox is listed at 180 and he kind of looks it. Fox is not really a physical guy either---he's a finesse player. Some of the above combined finesse with physical play--Bourque and Chelios for instance--Leetch is the least physical of the whole list but still stronger and more physical than either Fox or DeAngelo. Samuelsson was at least 6'1--an average offensive game--he was big and he wore so much body armor he looked like a riot cop. Kasparaitis was the smallest of the above and did not have much offense. He also use to take rink length runs against players---when he connected he'd flatten somebody--often these runs of his would end up in odd man situations and goals against his own team. Often as well opponents chased him down with the objective of pounding the piss out of him. All of Kasparaitis, Samuelsson an Konstantinov were considered dirty players and to be that you have to have a certain mentality.
And you're talking about a different era with your above list. Fox is not Jacob Trouba--he's more in this hybrid of smaller, skilled guys like Makar or Quinn Hughes. Fox at best will only marginally be able to be better than DeAngelo at pushing away larger forwards who are crowding the goal crease which is something that happens all the time when a team is on the power play. Fact is opponents when scouting a team will see such a weakness and strategize to exploit it. If Fox is getting the lion's share of penalty kill time he's also getting a steady diet of bigger, stronger, physical wingers crowding into the goal crease area. Neither Fox or DeAngelo are particularly strong for their size and DeAngelo's battle level ain't anywhere near what Kasparaitis's was and Darius was quite a bit stockier besides.
.......and this again points to the value of Trouba---he allows players like Fox and DeAngelo to play to their strengths and not get exploited for their weaknesses.
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It's Zuccarello all over again. They aren't signing him to an extension. Gorton has made up his mind. We are moving on from a player who, in my opinion, just doesn't fit our timeline.
If he wants to be payed like a 70+ point center, he can gtfo. A 2nd would more valuable than that contract
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A few general thoughts about some of the ongoing conversations in this thread:
1. Being a smaller defenseman isn't a death sentence in today's NHL. But having a RD comprised of ADA, Fox, Lundkvist and/or Keane would present a lot of struggles. Balance will be the key.
2. Regarding listed heights/weights of players, it's a very political subject. Having worked on media guides in my past life, you're dealing with perceived size standards for positions, agents wanting their clients to be listed different, teams wanting guys' vitals changed, etc. That's why Brian Leetch went from 5'11, 185 to 6'1, 200 magically in his late 20s. I think during the height of the LOD in Philadelphia, Mark Messier suddenly became 6'2. It still happens today. Teams are leery about some weights being listed too low or too high, and 6'0 is still a threshold in the sport.
3. So here's the latest I have on the trade fronts:
1. Being a smaller defenseman isn't a death sentence in today's NHL. But having a RD comprised of ADA, Fox, Lundkvist and/or Keane would present a lot of struggles. Balance will be the key.
2. Regarding listed heights/weights of players, it's a very political subject. Having worked on media guides in my past life, you're dealing with perceived size standards for positions, agents wanting their clients to be listed different, teams wanting guys' vitals changed, etc. That's why Brian Leetch went from 5'11, 185 to 6'1, 200 magically in his late 20s. I think during the height of the LOD in Philadelphia, Mark Messier suddenly became 6'2. It still happens today. Teams are leery about some weights being listed too low or too high, and 6'0 is still a threshold in the sport.
3. So here's the latest I have on the trade fronts:
- San Jose stepping up talks about Georgiev. Toronto still very interested.
- Boston and Rangers actively swapping names re: Kreider. Colorado still very interested.
- Dallas, Nashville and St. Louis among the teams kicking the tires on Fast.
- Calgary has asked about Andersson a few times.
- Nothing doing with Edmonton at the moment.
- Carolina has asked about a few guys, including Georgiev and Skjei.
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I read the article and there's nothing in there that even remotely hints at what sort of contract he's looking for.
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Lebrun saying they haven’t made up their minds on selling, this team isn’t making the playoffs.
This isn’t the Blues from last year. They would get worked if they somehow made it in, and I’m not seeing any value in that
This isn’t the Blues from last year. They would get worked if they somehow made it in, and I’m not seeing any value in that
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Have to assume one of their 1st rounders are on the table along with a prospect like Bokk, Puistola or even Kuokkanen for both Skjei and Georgiev.
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This team is a seller. My issue though is that at some point you have to commit to keep some guys. Kreider I feel is outside our age group but Strome and DeAngelo fit if their contract asks are reasonable. Fast, unless he is looking to get paid heavily should stay as he would likely only get a 3rd rounder in a trade. It sounds like Lundqvist isnt going anywhere so it would be best for us and Georgiev to move him. So in the end we could end up trading all those guys and if we do we are gonna have to wait another year for playoffs.
Something I mentioned last year during the draft was that our forward depth wasnt very good, we seem to have more defensemen than we need and not enough forwards to backfill any trades we make this year.
Something I mentioned last year during the draft was that our forward depth wasnt very good, we seem to have more defensemen than we need and not enough forwards to backfill any trades we make this year.
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