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kinger8998 said:
I criticize Quinn often, but his handling of Buch is not an area I can criticize. Buch is certainly more engaged, which is because of Quinn. My Buch criticisms are well noted, so to sum it up he has value being paid as a 3rd liner but I think expecting him to be more thaj that or him getting paid more than that would be bad for NYR.
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Weighting his draft spot and his current compensation against his contribution - even ignoring his terrible puck luck this season - I just don't see AT ALL how this comparison could come up as a negative. On the other hand my opinion is that we should be patient to see what happens when Buch comes out of his scoring slump to make a determination on his future.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
It's weird that Quinn would try and ruin Buch by playing him with Kreider and Zibs and putting him on PP2. Not every player is the same, they all respond to different treatment. Maybe Quinn thinks Buch has more to give?
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Buch has more to give and it’s DQs job to get it out of him. He has done a pretty poor job of it so far IMO.
 
Bennet , Kapanen are the type of players rangers need to target . Flash and Dash and perpetual rebuilds don’t work . Sign CK , and kick the can down the road on the back end . They can shed cap in Skjei , despite being whipping boy du jour like Moore , Poti, Goligowski , et al he can skate and move the puck at an NHL level and his contract isn’t bad .
 
Ola said:
Buch has more to give and it’s DQs job to get it out of him. He has done a pretty poor job of it so far IMO.
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I think that's exactly what he's trying to do, get more out of him. But you don't seem to like his approach. He puts him with two of the team's best forwards, he gives him power play time, I'm not sure coddling him is going to do anything more. He's also been incredibly unlucky. Quinn can't shoot the puck for him.
 
Kovalev27 said:
Not sure how Georgiev’s resume comes even remotely close to halaks at the time of that deal.

I think Gorton is overvaluing his asset which he’s been known to do at times and has ended up taking pennies on the dollar for guys that should have brought back more if dealt sooner.

Georgiev can’t go 3 games without having a stinker this year. That’s just been the case. Halak was knocking off ovechkin in the playoffs
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just because you think they should have brought more back in the imaginary trades you dreamed up, that doesn't mean those were realistic possibilities that JG passed on cause he was asking for too much
 
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Avery16 said:
It’s absurd to think that depth in a particular position has nothing to do with whether or not a player in that position gets traded.
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ADA is a completely different player than Trouba. If ADA gets traded due to depth, it won't be because of Trouba. It will be because Fox and/or Lundkvist have made him expendable.
 
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Ola said:
Buch has more to give and it’s DQs job to get it out of him. He has done a pretty poor job of it so far IMO.
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Or he is what he is at this point-a wildly inconsistent middle 6 40 point complimentary piece.Nothing wrong with that either.
 
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GAGLine said:
ADA is a completely different player than Trouba. If ADA gets traded due to depth, it won't be because of Trouba. It will be because Fox and/or Lundkvist have made him expendable.
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And yet neither has and ADA is getting shopped. The cap is in effect. You don’t make a choice on any player without it affecting the entire position and the roster.
 
GAGLine said:
ADA is a completely different player than Trouba. If ADA gets traded due to depth, it won't be because of Trouba. It will be because Fox and/or Lundkvist have made him expendable.
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Trouba plays the same position as him, so he’s taking a lineup spot & 8 million in cap. It doesn’t matter if they’re different players, if Chytil pans out as a great center he’d be making Strome expendable even if they’re different players. Kravtsov & Kakko may make Buch expendable even though they’re different players. Shesterkin makes Georgiev expendable even though they have different goaltending styles.

I don’t think DeAngelo is that similar to Fox, Fox is a very cerebral player who slows the game down, his greatest attribute is his hockey IQ and none of his tools stand out much. DeAngelo is a high octane player who’s greatest attribute is his skating & probably his attitude/swagger. Not that he doesn’t have a high hockey IQ as well but he has much better tools than Fox imo. I think Fox will end up being a steady defenseman but not someone who puts up as many points as ADA, I’d argue Fox could round out his defensive game quite well and it would be Fox making Trouba expendable.

I feel a lot more confident when ADA or Fox has the puck in our own zone than when Trouba does because they show a lot more poise than him including in our own end, Trouba is allergic to having the puck on his stick. ADA is flat out better than Trouba, Fox & Lundkvist are cost controlled. Lundkvist was actually regarded as a more defensively sound defenseman by scouts but people assume because he’s small & Swedish what kind of game he’d play.
 
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NYSPORTS said:
Brooks is the worst hack :darth:

trade Georgiev now
Resign Kreider now
Resigning DeAngelo would kill the cap (apparently resigning Kreider wouldn’t)
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Agreed

The Canadiens did not move Carey Price because Jaro Halak carried the team to the 2010 conference finals after taking out both Alex Ovechkin’s Caps and Sidney Crosby’s Penguins. Rather, the Habs stuck to their plan and the-then 25-year-old Halak was traded within a month of those two staggering upsets.
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How is that an example of a good plan?
 
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EdJovanovski said:
Trouba plays the same position as him, so he’s taking a lineup spot & 8 million in cap. It doesn’t matter if they’re different players, if Chytil pans out as a great center he’d be making Strome expendable even if they’re different players. Kravtsov & Kakko may make Buch expendable even though they’re different players. Shesterkin makes Georgiev expendable even though they have different goaltending styles.

I don’t think DeAngelo is that similar to Fox, Fox is a very cerebral player who slows the game down, his greatest attribute is his hockey IQ and none of his tools stand out much. DeAngelo is a high octane player who’s greatest attribute is his skating & probably his attitude/swagger. Not that he doesn’t have a high hockey IQ as well but he has much better tools than Fox imo. I think Fox will end up being a steady defenseman but not someone who puts up as many points as ADA, I’d argue Fox could round out his defensive game quite well and it would be Fox making Trouba expendable.

I feel a lot more confident when ADA or Fox has the puck in our own zone than when Trouba does because they show a lot more poise than him including in our own end, Trouba is allergic to having the puck on his stick. ADA is flat out better than Trouba, Fox & Lundkvist are cost controlled. Lundkvist was actually regarded as a more defensively sound defenseman by scouts but people assume because he’s small & Swedish what kind of game he’d play.
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I admit being a hockey fan that largely ignores advanced stats. They’re complicated and I don’t care enough about the sport to learn about them. People (a surprisingly high number of whom exist in HF) whove likewise managed to ignore the cap these past fifteen years have no such excuse.
 
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GoAwayStaal said:
Lol at Brooks trying to play up Staal as if he doesn't drag DeAngelo down significantly.
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If burying large cap hits in the minors were still a thing, Staal and Smith would never play another game for this club.

Sadly, the NHL caught on to our shenanigans with Redden.

One wonders what kind of others things might be on the agenda for the new CBA after the 2021-2022 season. I'd like to stop seeing so many "Buyout protected" bonus deals, and maybe limit the number of NMC's and NTC's a team can offer.
 
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Leetch3 said:
just because you think they should have brought more back in the imaginary trades you dreamed up, that doesn't mean those were realistic possibilities that JG passed on cause he was asking for too much
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come on zucc should have been dealt the summer before the deadline. Namestnikov too. You know that.

guys should have been moved at the draft multiple times and he couldn’t get deals done


So as I said AT TIMES he’s held on to assists too long
 
SKJEI For NHL READY prospect and pick to create cap
Buch for a NHL READY prospect and a pick to create cap
AG / FAST for KAPANEN +3rd abd Bracco
CK
ADA
Strome sign .
 
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Can’t have a team of 22 year olds and do t wanna waste Panarin best years . Trade players that don’t fit the rebuild anymore for ELC assets and picks and sign Ck , ADA and Stromboli’s
 
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