Speculation: Roster building thread XXIII: Heading into doldrum days and All Star break

[Alluckks]

Yes I am and if I was Ottawa or Detroit and the situation presented itself, I would.

Trade a 2nd for Georgiev? I bet there's plenty of teams, including those two who would do that. Remember the 2nd wouldn't be deliverable until 2021.

When it comes to offer sheets, there's never been a situation that could play out quite like this. Pittsburgh could be in a similar boat with Tristan Jarry although he is seemingly the number one guy there now. Matt Murray also an RFA after this season.

I don't think Ottawa ownership has the gall. They are in shambles, financially and otherwise

The league put tons of rules in place to secure as fair a playground as possible for all teams on the ice; but it is far from fair when it comes to franchise power.

 

[Avery16]

MAF went through this with Murray for two seasons (and two Stanley Cups). If each of their utmost motivations is the Cup then I don’t see why it can’t work. There are countless examples of aging greats pushing their egos to the side and doing whatever is necessary.

Murray is not Hank, but my doubt isn't because MAF cant share duties. My doubt is because LVK isn't going to add Hank's cap hit, or even 50% of it (which would be horrible for us to retain) to so marginally improve the depth of their goaltending position when they could use the same cap room to significantly improve their forward and defense depth, which Cup winners need so much more than they do an elite backup goaltender.

 

[Avery16]

Georgiev is arbitration eligible. Almost all the players eligible elect/file for it.

• Offer Sheet FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Most eligible players file because it guarantees they'll get about the same salary for that RFA year(s) as comparable players did. If they do not file and they do not get an offer sheet, they have to either sit out or take whatever contract that is offered by the team who owns their rights, usually their qualifier.

I guess it just depends on the timing, and on whether Georgiev thinks he'd get a higher salary through arbitration or with an offer sheet.

 

[kovazub94]

Colorado has two good goalies. They do not need to trade for one.

And they had good defense when they brought Bourque. Hank’s experience and playoffs performance makes him a good gamble if the cost is not excessive.

 

[GAGLine]

I guess it just depends on the timing, and on whether Georgiev thinks he'd get a higher salary through arbitration or with an offer sheet.

Georgiev has until 5pm EST on July 5th to elect arbitration. Teams can talk to him the week prior to July 1st. The Rangers can elect arbitration, but Georgiev can still sign an offer sheet until July 5th.

 

[Avery16]

Apologies if I missed this, but someone just mentioned the Rangers turned down Kapanen plus for Georgiev?

Was that a package deal?

This likely is someone misinterpreting the tweet from someone verified saying that kapanen might not be enough

 

[kovazub94]

Murray is not Hank, but my doubt isn't because MAF cant share duties. My doubt is because LVK isn't going to add Hank's cap hit, or even 50% of it (which would be horrible for us to retain) to so marginally improve the depth of their goaltending position when they could use the same cap room to significantly improve their forward and defense depth, which Cup winners need so much more than they do an elite backup goaltender.

I mentioned Murray from MAF’s perspective and I don’t see how retaining half would be “horrible” for the Rangers. Given alternatives it actually would be great!

 

[Avery16]

Apologies if I missed this, but someone just mentioned the Rangers turned down Kapanen plus for Georgiev?

Was that a package deal?

hopefully this "someone" isn't a HF poster or a twitter acct with less than 5k followers. This is how trash rumors get started.

 

[Leetch3]

At that price it’s a second, not a first

according to cap friendly $4,227,438 - $6,341,152 is a 1st and 3rd

Offer Sheet Calculator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[GAGLine]

And they had good defense when they brought Bourque. Hank’s experience and playoffs performance makes him a good gamble if the cost is not excessive.

I think the extra year is problematic unless Hank has already informed the Rangers that he is going to retire this summer and wants one more shot at a cup before then.

Maybe there's a way we can involve a 3rd team to lower the cap further, if necessary.

 

[Thirty One]

Apologies if I missed this, but someone just mentioned the Rangers turned down Kapanen plus for Georgiev?

Was that a package deal?

They didn't.

The Rangers and Leafs appear to be negotiating through the media. Mirtle says the Leafs wouldn't give up Kapanen, Johnsson, or Kerfoot for Georgiev. Dreger says even Kapanen alone wouldn't do it for the Rangers. The person you talked to probably misheard the Dreger report.

 

[Thirty One]

Colorado has two good goalies. They do not need to trade for one.

Yeah, kinda confused why they keep coming up.

 

[Avery16]

I mentioned Murray from MAF’s perspective and I don’t see how retaining half would be “horrible” for the Rangers. Given alternatives it actually would be great!

Disagree. 4.25 million/season is a lot to pay for a goalie that will not start or backup in any games. Any player we could get for the 4.25 million we save won't be as valuable as the return we can get for Georgiev right now, and still have Hank and Shesty, a more traditional starter/backup and then backup/starter tandem than two youngbloods.

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[kovazub94]

I think the extra year is problematic unless Hank has already informed the Rangers that he is going to retire this summer and wants one more shot at a cup before then.

Maybe there's a way we can involve a 3rd team to lower the cap further, if necessary.

How so? I genuinely not getting it because the alternative are either keeping his full $8.5m or buying him out.

 

[kovazub94]

Disagree. 4.25 million/season is a lot to pay for a goalie that will not start or backup in any games. Any player we could get for the 4.25 million we save won't be as valuable as the return we can get for Georgiev right now, and still have Hank and Shesty, a more traditional starter/backup and then backup/starter tandem than two youngbloods.

See my post below if you care to elaborate on alternative scenarios.

 

[Avery16]

Colorado has two good goalies. They do not need to trade for one.

Gruabuer is 28 and has a .911 S% this season and < 165 career starts.
Francouz is 29, a pending UFA, and has 21 career starts.

The Hank to Colorado story has no legs, but Colorado does need a goalie. They are probably in the Georgiev market at least somewhat.

 

[Avery16]

They didn't.

The Rangers and Leafs appear to be negotiating through the media. Mirtle says the Leafs wouldn't give up Kapanen, Johnsson, or Kerfoot for Georgiev. Dreger says even Kapanen alone wouldn't do it for the Rangers. The person you talked to probably misheard the Dreger report.

misheard is being generous

 

[GAGLine]

How so? I genuinely not getting it because the alternative are either keeping his full $8.5m or buying him out.

Problematic for other teams in terms of a trade. I don't see another team taking him in-season. Maybe in the offseason if Hank wants to keep playing. If he has already decided to retire this summer, then that changes the equation for contending teams.

 

[Ola]

you are one of my favorite guys here – and we are overdue to catch a game together, but I empathically disagree on this.

Georgiev may be the one. If anything, I need to see 60 starts from Shesterkin. Nothing is certain. The position is too crucial. Georgiev has shown the demeanor, personality, chemistry, and guts. He is wildly underrated, and being discarded because there is a Russian wildcard that may prove to be superb. And that’s just it - may be.

Deal Georgiev and you’ll regret it, I promise.

I get what you mean, and of course Geo is somewhat more proven than Igor (hard to compare NHL/KHL), but isn’t Geo also really unproven?

He comes across as a kid that is just really steady, and I would definitely bet on Geo becoming a good starter in the NHL. I just don’t buy the week to week evaluation of a goalie.

 

[aufheben]

Colorado’s 5v5 SV% is 2nd, their All Strengths SV% is 9th.

Toronto on the other hand is 22nd and 21st.

 

[Off Sides]

I guess it just depends on the timing, and on whether Georgiev thinks he'd get a higher salary through arbitration or with an offer sheet.

The biggest thing he would have to ask himself, what if he did not get an offer sheet?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

If Bracco was that good/had such value you would have to think the guy who coached him the last few years in the AHL would know this and would have lobbied for him to be promoted to the NHL team. Hasn't happened.

Yea it's odd he's never even gotten a quick call up just to see him at the NHL level. And if they were interested in trading him you would tihnk they would call him up just to show him off to teams to see if he can succeed at the NHL level.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Apologies if I missed this, but someone just mentioned the Rangers turned down Kapanen plus for Georgiev?

Was that a package deal?

Who and where?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Watching Hank win a cup with Colorado bourque style would be fun.

Would be one of the few things that might inspire me to watch once the Rangers are out of it.