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Elliman said:
I learnt my lesson years ago. I’m not in the trade Lundqvist corner. The man needs to retire a Ranger. He bleeds blue. Many moons ago I was pushing for a Brian Leetch trade. We’d get some picks and kids back I said to myself. He’s almost over the hill anyway I said. Watching Leetch skate in two different uniforms was downright criminal and heartbreaking to say the least.

Let Hank go if that’s what he truly wants. Let him retire a Ranger if he wants that. He’s earned it.


Oh. And that big return we got.
Jarkko Immonen
Maxim Kondratiev
2004 1st round pick (#24-Kris Chucko)
2005 2nd round pick (#40-Michael Sauer)
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A complete joke.
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This is complete bull****. Immonen turned out to be a star with like a 95 rating In my EA Franchise.
 
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Elliman said:
I learnt my lesson years ago. I’m not in the trade Lundqvist corner. The man needs to retire a Ranger. He bleeds blue. Many moons ago I was pushing for a Brian Leetch trade. We’d get some picks and kids back I said to myself. He’s almost over the hill anyway I said. Watching Leetch skate in two different uniforms was downright criminal and heartbreaking to say the least.

Let Hank go if that’s what he truly wants. Let him retire a Ranger if he wants that. He’s earned it.


Oh. And that big return we got.
Jarkko Immonen
Maxim Kondratiev
2004 1st round pick (#24-Kris Chucko)
2005 2nd round pick (#40-Michael Sauer)
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A complete joke.
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The way the Leetch’s trade was handled was outrageous. Very happy that Brian was able to come around and not let this fester after retiring. With NTC, I can’t see it being a concern this time around. Otherwise, even if that return didn’t workout I have no problem with their attempt to start the 2000’s rebuild.
 
Avery16 said:
I think another team offer sheeting Georgiev is a possibility, but I think the real argument for trading Georgiev is that we have Hank, Shesty and Huska but no great 2nd/3rd/4th line depth and no real plan for players coming up to fill it anytime soon.
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I think these are the factors re: trading Georgie.

1 - if you can't get a top 9 NHL forward for Georgie, and the team is looking at a lesser return --- then it likely means you're getting a similar return to what you'd get for Hank.

A 2nd round pick + B-C prospect/3rd-4th rounder. (aka 2nd and Bracco?)

In that scenario, a 37 year old goalie @ 7.8m and a 23 year old goalie 800k with very similar numbers -- I don't know how you justify moving the younger guy. So, if Georgie isn't going to get Kapanen/Johnsson/Labanc -- I think its irresponsible to move him over Hank.

(for reference. In the 21 games Georgie has started, Rangers have 25 points. In Hanks 23 starts, Rangers have 21 points. Meaning, w/ Georgie in net Rangers playing at a playoff pace. w/ Hank in net, Rangers would be nearly tied with Sens/Devils)

2 - After Shesty, it's unclear who, if any, of the other goalies in the system can play backup minutes in the NHL. Huska is a maybe. He's been decent in AHL. But I don't think he's NHL ready. He needs to progress more to be NHL caliber consistently. Keep in mind, the trend for NHL starters is to play 55 games. Not 70. Huska isn't ready for 30 NHL games a season right now.

That said, a big factor here is Wall. What does the team think of his potential? And can they sign him before he goes FA? If so, then moving a young goalie MAY be an easier risk to take. Because then you're at least adding Wall to Huska with the Pack next year. But if the org doesn't know Wall's intentions they need to think long and hard about trading Geo or Shesty.

So, again, if the team can't get a legit top 9 forward for Georgie -- I think they MUST re-approach Hank. Either right before the deadline or in the off-season.
 
Kovalev27 said:
I think it’s swell that the 3 goalie situation isn’t bothering anyone here on the board I mean thank goodness lol.

But I can tell you it sure as **** is bothering the goalies and I’m sure quinn isn’t having a blast having to spend half his press conferences discussing the 3 goalie situation he’s in.

anyone who thinks hank is happy as a clam right now is wrong.
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Well, he created this mess by playing Georgiev so much early in the season
 
gravey9 said:
I think these are the factors re: trading Georgie.

1 - if you can't get a top 9 NHL forward for Georgie, and the team is looking at a lesser return --- then it likely means you're getting a similar return to what you'd get for Hank.

A 2nd round pick + B-C prospect/3rd-4th rounder. (aka 2nd and Bracco?)

In that scenario, a 37 year old goalie @ 7.8m and a 23 year old goalie 800k with very similar numbers -- I don't know how you justify moving the younger guy. So, if Georgie isn't going to get Kapanen/Johnsson/Labanc -- I think its irresponsible to move him over Hank.

(for reference. In the 21 games Georgie has started, Rangers have 25 points. In Hanks 23 starts, Rangers have 21 points. Meaning, w/ Georgie in net Rangers playing at a playoff pace. w/ Hank in net, Rangers would be nearly tied with Sens/Devils)

2 - After Shesty, it's unclear who, if any, of the other goalies in the system can play backup minutes in the NHL. Huska is a maybe. He's been decent in AHL. But I don't think he's NHL ready. He needs to progress more to be NHL caliber consistently. Keep in mind, the trend for NHL starters is to play 55 games. Not 70. Huska isn't ready for 30 NHL games a season right now.

That said, a big factor here is Wall. What does the team think of his potential? And can they sign him before he goes FA? If so, then moving a young goalie MAY be an easier risk to take. Because then you're at least adding Wall to Huska with the Pack next year. But if the org doesn't know Wall's intentions they need to think long and hard about trading Geo or Shesty.

So, again, if the team can't get a legit top 9 forward for Georgie -- I think they MUST re-approach Hank. Either right before the deadline or in the off-season.
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There’s actually nothing forcing us to do anything. Assume the market lowballs us on Georgiev. I don’t think it will, but let’s assume. Give Georgiev a raise. Keep Hank. Keep Shesty up, or send him back to Hartford, or let him go back to the KHL for a season. No real harm in any of these. Hartford is not far away, Shesty can ride the train. We’re holding all the cards here, there’s no reason to act impulsively on this one.
 
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Why hasn't Matt Beleskey from Wolfpack been given a chance? he'd be a huge upgrade to the 4th line and over Haley? He wasnt even invited to training camp. Makes no sense.
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
Oh, you can certainly make it work into this offseason, and potentially into the start of next if you're not getting the offers you want.

But if both are still here 2 seasons from now?

The back page articles write themselves.
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Even 2 seasons from now if team (and goaltending tandem specifically) is performing. Backpages be damned, nobody reads newspapers anyway. :naughty:
 
RangersFan1994 said:
Why hasn't Matt Beleskey from Wolfpack been given a chance? he'd be a huge upgrade to the 4th line and over Haley? He wasnt even invited to training camp. Makes no sense.
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The no invite was because of cap hell ....he’s a million or so in dead cap space

I imagine they don’t see a future here for him but yea Haley isn’t an upgrade just punches more
 
Vitto79 said:
The no invite was because of cap hell ....he’s a million or so in dead cap space

I imagine they don’t see a future here for him but yea Haley isn’t an upgrade just punches more
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But we have cap space now. There’s no reason that I’m aware of preventing us from calling him up. Have to think he does more that McK, DiG, Haley or Smith
 
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17futurecap said:
Outside of Hank, does anyone really care? He's their third best goalie.
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I think it’s fair to say that the team plays differently based on who is in net. We’ve all seen Shesty let in some stinkers, but the team played tighter D in front of him. He’s not better than Hank yet.
 
I love Georgie as a Ranger, so I hope it works out for him if it happens, but does anyone else kind of have a gut feel about him as a #1 on a high-expectations Leafs team being a huge mess?
 
RangersFan1994 said:
Why hasn't Matt Beleskey from Wolfpack been given a chance? he'd be a huge upgrade to the 4th line and over Haley? He wasnt even invited to training camp. Makes no sense.
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Money.

The no invite was because if he was hurt in big league cap, the Rangers would have had to carry his salary on the big club roster until he could be sent down to Hartford. Precautionary, but harsh.

I think there's a pretty good chance he will be brought up once the trade deadline passes. You are right, he would be an upgrade on the fourth line.
 
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