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Speculation: Roster Building Thread XLVIII - “Into the Heartland”

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mschmidt64 said:
I wonder if the deal around Buffalo's 7th pick might include Vesey, Kreider, and Georgiev.
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What if they asked for Shestyorkin instead of Georgiev? I say that because I don't necessarily value the one goalie over the other but I have the sense that most here do value Igor more.

I have one other potential caveat on the #7 and that's if the draft goes something like this:

1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Turcotte
4. Zegras
5. Cozens
6. Dach

the 4 biggest centers are gone but there's still Byram on the board--is that worth the above package with either Georgiev or Shestyorkin?--because though Byram looks to be a stud d-man I think most of us have in mind a center.
 
Nico the Draft Riser said:
What do you mean the cap would be set at 81.5m for ‘two years’?

Has the cap ever not risen in a calendar year?
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Elliotte Friedman wrote about it yesterday.



I heard McKenzie discussing this topic this morning. The cap would set a number for the next 2-3 years. The players don’t like escrow.
 
Trouba, Panarin, buyouts, why are they stopping there?

If they go that route, why are they going to waste a prime year or two of Zbad, Trouba, Panarin?

May as well keep Kreider non extended as a self rental, buy out enough cap space to improve other areas.

Rent if they end up in playoff position.

Turn this rebuild right back into a retool, and go for it so they just don't end up in the middle.
 
eco's bones said:
What if they asked for Shestyorkin instead of Georgiev? I say that because I don't necessarily value the one goalie over the other but I have the sense that most here do value Igor more.

I have one other potential caveat on the #7 and that's if the draft goes something like this:

1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Turcotte
4. Zegras
5. Cozens
6. Dach

the 4 biggest centers are gone but there's still Byram on the board--is that worth the above package with either Georgiev or Shestyorkin?--because though Byram looks to be a stud d-man I think most of us have in mind a center.
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I dunno. I don't think I can quite pull the trigger if they ask for Igor. I like him more than Georgiev because of upside. I think I lower my sights and see if I can snag Newhook or Krebs in the teens instead. I love Zegras or Cozens, but I'm not desperate. I need a center, but it could in theory even be a #2 center, because Mika can be my #1.

Also, I simply can't imagine the draft breaking like that above. Steve Kournianos apparently said the Kings are infatuated with Byram, so even if he gets by Chicago, I doubt he gets by LA. Still, point well taken, because even if you add Byram to that list, that's 7 names. We could get up as high as 8th, and be left without one of our prime center targets. The draft could break that way. Then you are left choosing between wingers like Caulfield, Boldy, Podkozlin, etc.

That being said, as fans, I think we tend to give bias to our rankings based on what we would want. Some teams are gonna have Byram in their top 5, some teams are gonna have some wingers in their top 5. I've heard some teams even have Spencer Knight in their top 5-10.

I'm not saying we'll be able to get Zegras at 12 or anything, but I think at least one of the top centers does end up falling to 8 or 10.

As such, I don't really think you can make that trade until the pick is on the clock, to see if a guy you want is there, but, I think if we can get into that 7-12 range, we should be able to get someone we really, really like, who is a future #1 or high end #2 center.
 
NYR Viper said:
If Gorton felt safe enough in his position, the smart play moving forward this offseason is to begin accumulating more future picks. The team has a bunch of young players ready or very close to ready. Get some future picks to spread out the young talent coming in.

Namestnikov for a 2020 2nd

Vesey for a 2020 3rd + 2020 4th

At some point there won’t be enough roster spots for all the young talent
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So you're advocating heading down a path that results in having a plethora of youngsters and no where to put them? I'm confused...:D
 
From a rational standpoint, I'm agreeing with the idea from a few others that the market for Shattenkirk is later in the summer. When teams miss out and see that they have the cap space the next 2 seasons, he could be an option. And every free agent you talk to wants term and protections. Shattenkirk is 2 years. That ends before expansion and his list is limited and arguably voided on a trade. I just keep coming back to not investing in rational thoughts.

And unrelated, but Columbus and Nashville should work something out. Sign and trade, Duchene gets 8 years and Turris can go to Columbus. He's a good player, takes too much crap. Frees up cap for Nashville and those teams have a history of trades.

And I'm sorry to who just said it for not giving credit, but totally agree with keeping cap open for more Trouba type deals. It's so early and so much is going to happen this summer.

And one last bit, @Edge, when you say monitor Tkachuk and Marner, is that to acquire those specific guys or a cap casualty when they sign for big bucks? It makes more sense to take on another player.
 
I'm thinking the most likely scenario is Fox starting the year in HFD and Shatty getting 3rd pair minutes with some PP time in hopes that he can raise his value enough to get traded at 50% retention.

If he just can't hack it, or Fox has such an impressive camp and makes the club, I see Shatty riding out the year as a 7th and getting bought out next off season.
 
Can’t Gorton deliver on this??

Kreider and Shatty for 10th and Loui Eriksson at 50%

Loui Eriksson (@50%) to EDM for Lucic and the 8th

Draft Newhook and Zegras. :)
 
Off Sides said:
Trouba, Panarin, buyouts, why are they stopping there?

If they go that route, why are they going to waste a prime year or two of Zbad, Trouba, Panarin?

May as well keep Kreider non extended as a self rental, buy out enough cap space to improve other areas.

Rent if they end up in playoff position.

Turn this rebuild right back into a retool, and go for it so they just don't end up in the middle.
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I don't know why this is being echoed so much? They're not near ready for finishing touches. There's a lot of D with top-4 upside, Cs with unknown upside, one potential game-changing wing, another coming. Chytil and Andersson might be young but it's probably safe to say they won't be 70+ point game changing players.
 
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mschmidt64 said:
I dunno. I don't think I can quite pull the trigger if they ask for Igor. I like him more than Georgiev because of upside. I think I lower my sights and see if I can snag Newhook or Krebs in the teens instead. I love Zegras or Cozens, but I'm not desperate. I need a center, but it could in theory even be a #2 center, because Mika can be my #1.

Also, I simply can't imagine the draft breaking like that above. Steve Kournianos apparently said the Kings are infatuated with Byram, so even if he gets by Chicago, I doubt he gets by LA. Still, point well taken, because even if you add Byram to that list, that's 7 names. We could get up as high as 8th, and be left without one of our prime center targets. The draft could break that way. Then you are left choosing between wingers like Caulfield, Boldy, Podkozlin, etc.

That being said, as fans, I think we tend to give bias to our rankings based on what we would want. Some teams are gonna have Byram in their top 5, some teams are gonna have some wingers in their top 5. I've heard some teams even have Spencer Knight in their top 5-10.

I'm not saying we'll be able to get Zegras at 12 or anything, but I think at least one of the top centers does end up falling to 8 or 10.

As such, I don't really think you can make that trade until the pick is on the clock, to see if a guy you want is there, but, I think if we can get into that 7-12 range, we should be able to get someone we really, really like, who is a future #1 or high end #2 center.
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You're most probably right that the draft won't unfold like that but the 2010 draft kind of did unfold like that with only the one d-man Gudbranson being taken and both Fowler and Gormley freefalling.

On Knight Steve talked about teams having him in their top 5 but he didn't mention that one of the top 5 teams had him in their top 5. That said I think Knight might go top 10 and will be gone by 15.

Zegras would be a guy I would really like though--he might be worth a Kreider, Vesey, Shestyorkin/Georgiev package. If it came to the goalies I have a lot of faith that Georgiev is going to one day be a legit #1 goalie. Shestyorkin might have a bit more upside but Alex is more battle tested--he's been through a number of shellings.
 
DutchShamrock said:
From a rational standpoint, I'm agreeing with the idea from a few others that the market for Shattenkirk is later in the summer. When teams miss out and see that they have the cap space the next 2 seasons, he could be an option. And every free agent you talk to wants term and protections. Shattenkirk is 2 years. That ends before expansion and his list is limited and arguably voided on a trade. I just keep coming back to not investing in rational thoughts.

And unrelated, but Columbus and Nashville should work something out. Sign and trade, Duchene gets 8 years and Turris can go to Columbus. He's a good player, takes too much crap. Frees up cap for Nashville and those teams have a history of trades.

And I'm sorry to who just said it for not giving credit, but totally agree with keeping cap open for more Trouba type deals. It's so early and so much is going to happen this summer.

And one last bit, @Edge, when you say monitor Tkachuk and Marner, is that to acquire those specific guys or a cap casualty when they sign for big bucks? It makes more sense to take on another player.
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They'll consider different options. Obviously they like the players and that's always a possibility if, for one reason or another, things go off the rails between those players and their current teams. But they also take into account scenarios where other players might be moved to accommodate other signings. But Tkachuk and Marner are two specific names the Rangers like and will likely continue to follow.
 
BobMarleyNYR said:
I don't know why this is being echoed so much? They're not near ready for finishing touches. There's a lot of D with top-4 upside, Cs with unknown upside, one potential game-changing wing, another coming. Chytil and Andersson might be young but it's probably safe to say they won't be 70+ point game changing players.
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'The Trouba trade lines up better with Zbad, Kreider, Panarin than it does on them waiting on the #2 pick or any of the other prospects hitting their primes.
 
Off Sides said:
'The Trouba trade lines up better with Zbad, Kreider, Panarin than it does on them waiting on the #2 pick or any of the other prospects hitting their primes.
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The 2OA pick last year helped a team get to the ECF this year. Do we need Kakko in his prime? He would be great as a rookie as well. All that being said, I think we are still at least one more bad/average year away from sniffing the playoffs.
 
I think Edmonton holds onto their pick, but man they must think Broberg can contribute right away if they look to take him

Especially considering their depth on the left side, and the prospects they have in the system already
 
Nylander makes a lot of sense now. A young, playmaking 2C.

Point would cost waayy too much, I would think.
 
Rangers need another young cornerstone forward with high octane, and they’re ready to rock and roll. Can we grab Nylander from Toronto to make it work for them to sign Marner? There are other avenues the Leafs would likely explore more aggressively to free up cap space, but perhaps? Not sure what in value we could provide them within reason for Nylander given their backs against the wall.
 
Edge said:
I think if that option were there, the Rangers would take it.

Guys, I don't shape the opinions of other GMs. I'm just here to tell you that these concepts aren't something that hasn't been offered already and turned down.

Even if a team was willing to sign him for two years and $3.25, why give up the asset when they know there's a reasonable chance he's a buyout candidate? He's not so in-demand that teams are worried about losing out on the open market.

Like I said, the Rangers will keep working it. But thus far, to put it bluntly, it ain't happening.
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Also there where 2 other better RD's on their way to the market for jut a couple of days ago. The situation might be totally different in august. Teams that missed out on Trouba or EK, teams where prospects show they arent as ready for the NHL as the club thought, there will be injuries. Every day takes us closer to the end of the contract for Staal, Smith and Shattenkirk, and will make their contracts less a problem for another team to take on.
 
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