Speculation: Roster Building Thread XLVIII - “Into the Heartland”

[SA16]

If there are no takers for Shattenkirk at 50% there is something very wrong with the quality of management around the league.

We already knew that though.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

With some of these guys, be it Jones, Tkachuk, etc., they monitor how contracts talks go --- length, terms, etc. Maybe there isn't an opportunity today, but maybe something changes in a year or two.

Gorton and company are thinking aren't thinking about 2020, they're thinking about the 2020s.

Thanks as always for the info.

 

[East Coast Bias]

The Rangers felt they had to move on Trouba once EK signed doesn't necessarily mean bc they lost out on EK.

Could mean they were surprised by the timing (so soon), or that he didn't go to FA, and wanted to jump on Trouba before other teams who were in the EK market shifted their focus.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I wonder if the deal around Buffalo's 7th pick might include Vesey, Kreider, and Georgiev.

Then I would want their 2nd too.

 

[Edge]

We were debating whether or not to re-sign him for $6 million per at six years when he had yet to reach 50 points in his career. The numbers being thrown around regarding Duchene are $10 million plus, which Dreger pretty much confirmed, and likely in no doubt due to this deal.

Hayes was talked about as a $6-$6.5 million deal, if I remember correctly.

Duchene is going to ask for $9.5-$10 million, and someone will probably give it to him. And that someone will discover what three NHL teams already know, Matt Duchene is not a cornerstone player who you build around.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

I wonder if the deal around Buffalo's 7th pick might include Vesey, Kreider, and Georgiev.

I just have trouble seeing BUF going after players without term. They have trouble attracting UFAs. Georgiev is an RFA, but Kreider and Vesey can, and likely will, walk at the end of the season.

That would be a huge gamble for the 7th overall pick.

 

[mas0764]

Then I would want their 2nd too.

I think Kreider for a top-10 pick straight up is probably unrealistic. Even though Stepan and Raanta brought back 7 and DeAngelo, that was a less talented draft to be picking 7th, Stepan was a center, not a winger, and he was locked up for term.

So I could see having to add to Kreider to get a top 10 pick. I wonder if we could do so without adding one of our top prospects or a future first.

 

[Edge]

If there are no takers for Shattenkirk at 50% there is something very wrong with the quality of management around the league.

We already knew that though.

If I'm a GM, I am not trading for two years of Shattenkirk at $3 million a pop right now.

I'll consider picking him off the trash heap for a year at $1-2.5 million, but I'm not giving up an asset and committing to two years.

Right now Shattenkirk is the anti-Pionk. His value is highest on these boards.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Jones.

There’s no noise that Jones might be in play, though, correct? Just that he’s a guy the Rangers have at the top of their “IF he ever becomes available” list?

Or is there some thought that Columbus might be trying to tear it down and start over again after pushing all their chips in last year and coming up short...?

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

There has been numerous speculation among pundits that the NHL and the NHLPA will agree to a flat cap for the next two years until the new TV deal is set in place, in order to ease the escrow burden on players.

How does this play out for a lockout? I imagine its a positive right?

 

[Beer League Sniper]

If there are no takers for Shattenkirk at 50% there is something very wrong with the quality of management around the league.

We already knew that though.

I agree, but it's not like other team's GMs spend their time personally watching our games. There are plenty of reasons why Shattenkirk would be a useful player on another roster. But, if you're only getting select viewings and he's playing terribly, you're probably not going to listen to your pro scouts, whose job it is to watch these guys every game.

 

[SA16]

If I'm a GM, I am not trading for two years of Shattenkirk at $3 million a pop right now.

I'll consider picking him off the trash heap for a year at $1-2.5 million, but I'm not giving up an asset and committing to two years.

Right now Shattenkirk is the anti-Pionk. His value is highest on these boards.

I do not buy for one second that if Shattenkirk was a FA this year no team would give him 2 years at 3.3M per year given the contracts that are routinely given out to defenseman. I don't care about the asset in a trade it can be minimal. I'm more concerned with clearing log jams and cap space.

Braydon Coburn just got 2 years at 1.7M. Jack Johnson 5 at over 3M per. Alzner 5 at 4.5ish. Girardi himself got 3M/year from TB. Kris Russell 4 years at 4 per. Gudbrandson 3 years at 4 per. None of those players have the pedigree of Shattenkirk nor were they any good when signing the deal. Teams sign bad defenseman to big deals randomly all the time.

 

[Matt4776]

Need a BBK bomb pls

 

[Edge]

There’s no noise that Jones might be in play, though, correct? Just that he’s a guy the Rangers have at the top of their “IF he ever becomes available” list?

Or is there some thought that Columbus might be trying to tear it down and start over again after pushing all their chips in last year and coming up short...?

No noise or anything to report.

Just one of those things where you note he is a free agent in 2022, will be 27 years old, and that a lot can change in Columbus over the next 36 months.

But that whole 2022 aspect has not gone unnoticed, even if it means having a talk with Columbus in say...2021 for example.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

I do not buy for one second that if Shattenkirk was a FA this year no team would give him 2 years at 3.3M per year given the contracts that are routinely given out to defenseman. I don't care about the asset in a trade it can be minimal. I'm more concerned with clearing log jams and cap space.

With the cap crunch, I think teams are being cautious about how they utilize cap space. I think Shattenkirk would get a contract offer, but probably off of a PTO, not on July 1st.

 

[TheBPA]

If I'm a GM, I am not trading for two years of Shattenkirk at $3 million a pop right now.

I'll consider picking him off the trash heap for a year at $1-2.5 million, but I'm not giving up an asset and committing to two years.

Right now Shattenkirk is the anti-Pionk. His value is highest on these boards.

Even worst case I gotta feel like someone would take Shattenkirk at 50% and a 7th rounder for their 7th rounder.

This is the same group of GMs that gave Jack Johnson a 5 year deal for $3.25 at age 31 last summer.

 

[Fitzy]

We see all these contracts from dollar standpoints.

When evaluating if guys are getting 'ridiculous' contracts we should be looking at percentage of the total team cap, as well as considering that now we don't have retirement or 13 year contracts.

Hayes is absolutely a #2 center, and that's around the UFA price that you're going to pay for a young proven one at this juncture.

It's the functional equivalent of around 4.3 million a year back in 2006-2007

 

[TheBloodyNine]

How does this play out for a lockout? I imagine its a positive right?

Yes for sure. The players get the keep more of their money over that period and then when the new tv deal comes in there will be more revenue for everyone.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Hayes was talked about as a $6-$6.5 million deal, if I remember correctly.

Duchene is going to ask for $9.5-$10 million, and someone will probably give it to him. And that someone will discover what three NHL teams already know, Matt Duchene is not a cornerstone player who you build around.

The long term UFA market combined with the TB/TOR/WPG situations really scares me right now, especially in regard to Panarin.

On a different subject, you mentioned the Rangers are talking to Dallas. Any insight into what that might be about...Zuccarello related in terms of this picks, perhaps?

 

[Edge]

I do not buy for one second that if Shattenkirk was a FA this year no team would give him 2 years at 3.3M per year given the contracts that are routinely given out to defenseman. I don't care about the asset in a trade it can be minimal. I'm more concerned with clearing log jams and cap space.

Well, I can tell you that he's been offered at that rate to teams around the league, that's those efforts were reported in the news a few weeks back, and that as of two days ago, there were still no takers.

It is what it is. I can yell at the clouds and tell them to stop raining, or I can accept that I'm getting drenched and get indoors.

Trust me, if there was a deal on the table, Shattenkirk would not be on the roster right now. But the Rangers will keep pressing the issue.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How does this play out for a lockout? I imagine its a positive right?

Yeah

 

[Ghost of jas]

We see all these contracts from dollar standpoints.

When evaluating if guys are getting 'ridiculous' contracts we should be looking at percentage of the total team cap, as well as considering that now we don't have retirement or 13 year contracts.

Hayes is absolutely a #2 center, and that's around the UFA price that you're going to pay for a young proven one at this juncture.

It's the functional equivalent of around 4.3 million a year back in 2006-2007

That Hayes contract has buyout candidate in three years written all over it.

 

[Edge]

The long term UFA market combined with the TB/TOR/WPG situations really scares me right, especially in regard to Panarin.

On a different subject, you mentioned the Rangers are talking to Dallas. Any insight into what that might be about...Zuccarello related in terms of this picks, perhaps?

There were two connected/somewhat connected conversations with Dallas.

The first was was a passing conversations about potential trade up scenarios, primarily to test the waters if the Rangers wanted to go from 20 to 18.

The second was about whether Dallas preferred to send us this year's first instead of next year's first, should they resign Zucc.

The former is obviously off the table, the latter is still active, though on the back-burner.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

@BBKers has us making a trade today or tomorrow. Im not sure what factors would decide when that trade takes place but personally i think it will be Vesey on the move.

 

[Ghost of jas]

There were two connected/somewhat connected conversations with Dallas.

The first was was a passing conversations about potential trade up scenarios, primarily to test the waters if the Rangers wanted to go from 20 to 18.

The second was about whether Dallas preferred to send us this year's first instead of next year's first, should they resign Zucc.

The former is obviously off the table, the latter is still active, though on the back-burner.

That’s what I figured.