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Speculation: Roster Building Thread XLVIII - “Into the Heartland”

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bobbop said:
Worth repeating...

A conversation I had with the then CEO of an NHL team about the salary cap. He told me the average fan doesn’t consider that on a 23 man roster there are usually 4-5 players on entry level contracts and another 1-2 on minimum salary deals. If you divide a $80 million cap by 23 players that’s about $3.5 MM per player. Take out 6 players at under $1MM and that average for the remaining players is almost $5 MM per player. Don’t let the high salaries scare you. Fans are almost always more worried about the caps than the managers of the team.
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Those is true but then look at the teams in "cap hell" now. It's quite a balancing act. And the best preventive medicine is, I guess, to be vigilant all the time. But yes, a couple-few big contracts is nothing to worry about. For me, it's overpaying guys like Namestnikov and Fast that must be advoided. No problem paying legit stars big money. A few big deals and a lot of cheap smart deals seems the way forward. Anyhow it seems the rangers get it. All their bad deals were well-timed.
 
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Ola said:
A question here was posed regularly if Hayes ‘really’ was worth 5x5. In terms of market price, I think that can be answered as a sounding yes.
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I think $7m for a second line c is high. And I'm not so sure he's even a second line c. As someone else mentioned, these are the kind of deals that materialize just before a lockout/strike.
All that said, I like Hayes and am glad for his fortune. He's a quality player and I love his style of play. But Gorton is going to be on the right side of history not overpaying 2nd-3rd line tweeners.
 
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Giannone says Trouba was on top of their list for weeks.....

Mentions going after a veteran center.
 
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Lays said:
I really feel like it’ll be Lou who sends the offer sheet in too, Marner is great buds with Matt Martin and hangs out with some of the Isles often. Maybe revenge for Tavares. Isles might be a contender soon and they have pretty good prospects already, they don’t need those firsts
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The Islanders dont have any game breaking talent in the prospect pool besides Dobson. Barzal and Dobson are not enough high end talent to be moving four 1sts

Hell, as a Devils fan id be wary about it and we have Hischier Hughes and Smith. Even the Rangers with Kakko Kravtsov and Trouba
 
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Has anyone checked in on Larry Brooks? His boy Kevin Hayes got $50M from the Flyers. He must be so disappointed Hayes isn't coming back here.

Elliotte Friedman was on the NHL Network last night. He said Panarin is going to Florida and the Rangers will use their cap space in other ways. They wouldn't be using their cap space and picks to pursue one player this summer. He did the TV segment from the hallway of a hotel in Las Vegas and the feed was awful.

$50M for Kevin Hayes. Chris Kreider should get something close to that over 7 years. Elliotte touched on the Rangers and Kreider. Teams saw how big and heavy players flourished in the playoffs. There should be a strong trade market for Kreider. A 7 year contract takes Kreider to 36 years old.
 
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egelband said:
I think $7m for a second line c is high. And I'm not so sure he's even a second line c. As someone else mentioned, these are the kind of deals that materialize just before a lockout/strike.
All that said, I like Hayes and am glad for his fortune. He's a quality player and I love his style of play. But Gorton is going to be on the right side of history not overpaying 2nd-3rd line tweeners.
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Yeah, the thing is, if you must hit the market and make UFA additions they will cost you a ton. Statsny got 7m per not that long ago when he was a bit limited as a player.

And this will spill over into (most, how someone like Atkinson can take the contract he did was and is beyond me) those RFAs that get close to UFA.
 
The Flyers don't really have much room for anymore big free agent signings.

Since then they’ve added $3,871,667 to their payroll in trading for Matt Niskanen, Justin Braun, and buying out Andrew MacDonald. The Flyers have a projected cap space of $22,896,310 with restricted free agents Ivan Provorov, Travis Konecny, and Travis Sanheim, among others, still needing contracts. They’ll also look to either sign or trade for a backup goaltender in the near future. While $22 million dollars in cap space sounds like a lot, with fears that the salary cap may actually be below $82 million, the Flyers really won’t have much wiggle room after (hopefully) signing their young stars.
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Flyers come to terms with Kevin Hayes

The back up goaltender to Hart will not be cheap. Hartman and Laughton are arbitration eligible.

Patrick is a free agent next summer. Elliotte Friedman was discussing the cap may be set at $81.5M for the next 2 years. The Flyers need to save room for Patrick's next contract.

They can't sign Zuccarello. Many people were saying AV and Zuccarello would reunite in Philly but Zuccarello is looking for $6M per. The numbers don't work.
 
RangerBoy said:
The Flyers don't really have much room for anymore big free agent signings.



Flyers come to terms with Kevin Hayes

The back up goaltender to Hart will not be cheap. Hartman and Laughton are arbitration eligible.

Patrick is a free agent next summer. Elliotte Friedman was discussing the cap may be set at $81.5M for the next 2 years. The Flyers need to save room for Patrick's next contract.

They can't sign Zuccarello. Many people were saying AV and Zuccarello would reunite in Philly but Zuccarello is looking for $6M per. The numbers don't work.
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Is Patrick really going to cost that much on his next contract? He's a bridge candidate if I ever saw one.
 
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Lebrun via The Athletic, FWIW:

  • TSN teammate Darren Dreger tweeted on Tuesday morning that the Rangers are far from done after acquiring Trouba and that they might be willing to part with forwards like Chris Kreider, Vladislav Namestnikov, Pavel Buchnevich and Jimmy Vesey. Kreider is the name that jumps out, a quality veteran leader, but is just one year away from being UFA. He carries a $4.625-million cap hit in the last year of his deal, pretty darn reasonable for the 28 goals he scored this past season. He’s got a modified no-trade clause and his agent has already submitted his 11-team No list for this offseason. The Sabres, by the way, have been linked to Vesey.
 
With Trouba, and potentially Fox and the 3-4 rookie LHDs, this team isn't looking too bad. They're a #2 center away from being fairly balanced. If not Panarin than who? Ducshene is going to get paid. Filpulla on a a short deal? Lindberg as a cushion? There isn't much center depth outside of Duschene unless Jumbo Joe is brought in on a one year deal or Brassard returns. I'd be fine with Thornton because of his size and leadership for such a young team.
 
Trxjw said:
Nylander is a really interesting one. Mentioned it a while back but he's a guy you can try at center for a bit behind Zib and if it doesn't work out hes actually a great fit as Zib's RW. The Rangers love versatile players.

Rangers pick up Miller from Vegas in a cap deal and flip him to Toronto in a package for Nylander?
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Would love to pick up Nylander
 
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Skjeikspeare said:
With Trouba, and potentially Fox and the 3-4 rookie LHDs, this team isn't looking too bad. They're a #2 center away from being fairly balanced. If not Panarin than who? Ducshene is going to get paid. Filpulla on a a short deal? Lindberg as a cushion? There isn't much center depth outside of Duschene unless Jumbo Joe is brought in on a one year deal or Brassard returns. I'd be fine with Thornton because of his size and leadership for such a young team.
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Not much in free agency. So my guess is the center is acquired In a trade possibly where we eat cap space. Question those is it a short term vet to help the process or can they get a younger guy that might be more long term
 
bobbop said:
Worth repeating...

A conversation I had with the then CEO of an NHL team about the salary cap. He told me the average fan doesn’t consider that on a 23 man roster there are usually 4-5 players on entry level contracts and another 1-2 on minimum salary deals. If you divide a $80 million cap by 23 players that’s about $3.5 MM per player. Take out 6 players at under $1MM and that average for the remaining players is almost $5 MM per player. Don’t let the high salaries scare you. Fans are almost always more worried about the caps than the managers of the team.
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Maybe if the managers of the team were more concerned about it then they wouldn’t be in bad cap situations...Toronto...Winnipeg...Tampa bay...Vegas...
 
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Skjeikspeare said:
With Trouba, and potentially Fox and the 3-4 rookie LHDs, this team isn't looking too bad. They're a #2 center away from being fairly balanced. If not Panarin than who? Ducshene is going to get paid. Filpulla on a a short deal? Lindberg as a cushion? There isn't much center depth outside of Duschene unless Jumbo Joe is brought in on a one year deal or Brassard returns. I'd be fine with Thornton because of his size and leadership for such a young team.
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I mentioned Pavelski yesterday. I'm sure his first choice is to go back to SJ, and I'm sure SJ wants him back. With them trading Braun, that gives them some more cap room. If the cap is 81.5, they will have 14.5 mil in cap space. How much is Meier going to get? 30 goals, 66 points last year. What about Labanc? 17 goals, 56 points. And they only have 7 forwards under contract right now. Meier and Labanc makes it 9. They need 4 more. Can they afford for Pavelski to be one of them?

Pavelski is 34. He doesn't turn 35 until July 11th, so he won't be a 35+ contract. It will probably take a 3 year deal in the 6-7 mil range to sign him, which is very doable. 64+ points in each of the last 3 years. Scored 38 goals last year. If we can convince him to sign with us, we'll be in great shape. Then we can focus our efforts on getting a Zegras or Cozens to eventually replace him.
 
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bobbop said:
Worth repeating...

A conversation I had with the then CEO of an NHL team about the salary cap. He told me the average fan doesn’t consider that on a 23 man roster there are usually 4-5 players on entry level contracts and another 1-2 on minimum salary deals. If you divide a $80 million cap by 23 players that’s about $3.5 MM per player. Take out 6 players at under $1MM and that average for the remaining players is almost $5 MM per player. Don’t let the high salaries scare you. Fans are almost always more worried about the caps than the managers of the team.
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Agree 100% that fans seem to worry way more. Teams always find a way out of bad situations...although I think the situation is changing a bit now that top salaries are sky rocketing. Top players getting $10. Mil which means you need more guys under $1 mil to pull the average down and the middle guy gets pushed out

Unless you've got good young players it becomes tough to keep the elite guys and have depth
 
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