Speculation: Roster Building Thread XII

[PuckLuck3043]

I am simply explaining to you how it works since you seem to be having trouble with it.

I don't have any trouble with it and I understand that nothing is absolute in term of players future AAV and term. I don't sleep with a calculator under my pillow worried about what may happen 4 years down the road like you apparently do.

 

[SRHRangers]

the two are not interrelated.

If they want both, they can have both.

And play our newly minted Goodrow on the 4th line?

Buch and Kakko will play ahead of him, and it's a total waste to have Krav buried on the 4th line.

And the cryptic quote by Drury is enough for me. Buch is a goner.

 

[bl02]

Coleman is a much, much better player so yeah probably

I think Goodrow is a bit more physical and can take faceoffs. I don’t think it’s that lopsided

 

[Thirty One]

Do we feel Coleman would have been a better fit than Goodrow on this team?

Easily, yeah.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Do we feel Coleman would have been a better fit than Goodrow on this team?

I think Goodrow is a good fit on this team. Coleman is definitely the better player but that leads to the question at what cost now that we have a general idea what Goodrow is going to get.

 

[Quinnisinoverhishead]

Wilson strikes again!

Buch is gone!

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I could see Buch gone but have a funny feeling Strome isn’t. Don’t see a lot of takers especially if we can’t fill that center spot this coming season if he’s gone. Rangers wanna make the playoffs

I could see them working a deal for a Larkin or Dvorak this summer.

 

[Off Sides]

I don't have any trouble with it and I understand that nothing is absolute in term of players future AAV and term. I don't sleep with a calculator under my pillow worried about what may happen 4 years down the road like you apparently do.

Why are you mad at me for laying out what the deal is?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And play our newly minted Goodrow on the 4th line?

Buch and Kakko will play ahead of him, and it's a total waste to have Krav buried on the 4th line.

And the cryptic quote by Drury is enough for me. Buch is a goner.

Buch is a goner regardless of what happened with Goodrow IMO. He’s been on the trade block each of the last 2 years (different gm yes, but still) and it was obvious reading between the lines that he and Strome were the most likely to be traded this summer.

plus it sounds like they want goodrow down the middle, not at wing.

 

[bl02]

I could see them working a deal for a Larkin or Dvorak this summer.

Fair enough then Strome is gone in a separate deal. Just don’t see Arizona or Detroit wanting him

 

[LOFIN]

kreider is absolutely not an overpay. The term might be long, but he’s actually about 1m underpay or so. the issue is that he’s now on the third and blocked by laf and Panarin, but he absolutely took a cut to stay here.

Which is why you look at these contracts in the team context as well. 6.5 million for a 3rd liner IS overpay. No way around that.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If still look into Coleman btw. We’re slow as balls and he could be a good fit with Panarin.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Why are you mad at me for laying out what the deal is?

Im not mad at all. I disagree with your doom and gloom scenarios.

 

[LokiDog]

And play our newly minted Goodrow on the 4th line?

Buch and Kakko will play ahead of him, and it's a total waste to have Krav buried on the 4th line.

And the cryptic quote by Drury is enough for me. Buch is a goner.

I don't think he's going to play on the 4th line. I expect Goodrow to play the exact same role that Fast/Blackwell played on Panarin's line and that he'll be around 15g 40pt spark plug. Playing with Panarin, he could be more. So far he paces for 30 points a year, purely at 5v5 and with 15 minutes a night on a shutdown line. Playing with Panarin 16+ minutes a night is a different story. Panarin is one of the best even strength point producers in the world and loves to have a guy like Fast/Goodrow on his off wing. If Goodrow's even a 40 point guy who takes the important draws and PKs, 3.6M won't be the end of the world. If he plays 12 minutes a night on the 4th line, it's a dumb signing.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

This is more a Czikas contract since he will be playing with Kreider and Kravtsov likely

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Fair enough then Strome is gone in a separate deal. Just don’t see Arizona or Detroit wanting him

Defintely not those teams but there has been chatter that there is a good deal of interest in him around the league though.

 

[bl02]

If still look into Coleman btw. We’re slow as balls and he could be a good fit with Panarin.

I’m guessing he would want same or more money than Goodrow. And if Buch is gone for another player with some salary and term we probably shouldn’t hand out any more big ufa deals so quickly

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Which is why you look at these contracts in the team context as well. 6.5 million for a 3rd liner IS overpay. No way around that.

this is the wrong way to look at it.

Kreider will still be top 6 in TOI at the end of the day. He won’t come off of pp1 as there’s no reason for him to.

 

[SRHRangers]

I don't think he's going to play on the 4th line. I expect Goodrow to play the exact same role that Fast/Blackwell played on Panarin's line and that he'll be around 15g 40pt spark plug. Playing with Panarin, he could be more. So far he paces for 30 points a year, purely at 5v5 and with 15 minutes a night on a shutdown line. Playing with Panarin 16+ minutes a night is a different story. Panarin is one of the best even strength point producers in the world and loves to have a guy like Fast/Goodrow on his off wing. If Goodrow's even a 40 point guy who takes the important draws and PKs, 3.6M won't be the end of the world. If he plays 12 minutes a night on the 4th line, it's a dumb signing.

I'm not knocking the player.

I'm ripping the asset management aspect of it.

No one can defend the term (6 years for sandpaper), but at 3.6 AAV, it only makes sense if he's the 3C.

But your argument about being with Panarin.... We had the perfect player for that, and wouldn't give him a 3rd year in the contract in Fast.

That part makes zero sense.

 

[MrAlmost]

1. Get Coleman on the same contract
2. Get Gourde from Seattle at 50%. The savings on Gourde would make up for the slight overpay for Goodrow and Coleman.
3. Win Cup?

 

[Off Sides]

Im not mad at all. I disagree with your doom and gloom scenarios.

It's not a scenario, nor is it doom and gloom. It is where they currently are at under the salary cap (assuming this deal is 3.6M) and what players will either need extensions of replaced over the next 3 years.

There is nothing to take exception with, besides, I do not think this was a good idea.

 

[LokiDog]

I'm not knocking the player.

I'm ripping the asset management aspect of it.

No one can defend the term (6 years for sandpaper), but at 3.6 AAV, it only makes sense if he's the 3C.

But your argument about being with Panarin.... We had the perfect player for that, and wouldn't give him a 3rd year in the contract in Fast.

That part makes zero sense.

Different GM, president, coach, etc.

Also, maybe lesson learned the hard way. Panarin wants to play with that type of player.

 

[CLW]

I could see Buch gone but have a funny feeling Strome isn’t. Don’t see a lot of takers especially if we can’t fill that center spot this coming season if he’s gone. Rangers wanna make the playoffs

It was reported there's a lot of interest in Strome, which I understand as he is not a bad player just not ideal for us at this point.

 

[SRHRangers]

Different GM, president, coach, etc.

Also, maybe lesson learned the hard way. Panarin wants to play with that type of player.

Maybe he does, but it still doesn't take the smell (term) off of this proposed deal.

Signing grit to that type of deal is the equivalent of giving a 7th inning setup man a 6 year deal.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Kreider is overpaid bc the Rangers lucked into Lafraniere. He would be playing a top 6 role scoring 25+ goals without winning the Lafraniere lottery. You can’t just expect to win draft lotteries