Speculation: Roster Building Thread XII

[mas0764]

They've also been successful in convincing fans the cap was for parity when it was actually, you know, to do this.

They need a soft cap system like the NBA's (but with tweaks as well).

 

[Off Sides]

How to kill @EdJovanovski

Step 1: Give Trouba the C.
Step 2: Sign Goodrow.
Step 3: Trade Buch.

Also extend Strome to 6-7M to keep together the Panarin-Strome-Goodrow line

and add me to the list

 

[mas0764]

Neither is an injured Eichel who may miss all of next season.

If healthy he kinda is, though.

 

[mas0764]

Carp, Vince, Seravelli & Friedman have all mentioned that Buch is on the block. Either he needs to sign a team friendly extension or hes getting traded. I love him as a player but Kreider + Lafreniere + Flat Cap has put the writing on the wall. Clearly, lots of fans are having trouble coming to terms with this.

This has been pretty obvious for like two seasons now, ever since we explored moving him in the Kakko draft to Edmonton for 8OA so we could try to get Zegras.

2019 and 2020 drafts were earmarked for centers because we already had talent at wing in Panarin, Kreider and Buch, but winning the lotteries "screwed up," that plan because the best players were definitely wingers at our slots.

It has been blatantly clear that some wing will need to be liquidated for assets/cap room to obtain a center for ages. Why some posters (and the front office when it re-signed Kreider) don't understand that is mystifying.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Something like 3/4 of the forwards and 1/5 of the defensemen who play in the NHL played center in their youth. That's where you play your most talented players on youth teams that have large disparities of skill and physical development on the same squad. Just like how a large percentage of the best players in youth baseball play SS and pitch.

I know, that's why I'm a center

But Buch played center at higher levels too and some scouting reports and sites listed him as a center. I don't get why people on here seem to think it's so difficult to switch positions, tons of players do it. To think that none of Kravtsov, Laf, Kakko, or Buch (who are all elite talents) can do it is crazy to me

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If healthy he kinda is, though.

He's never healthy though.

He's already banged up as hell beyond the neck issue at 24. That isn't likely to get better over time.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I know, that's why I'm a center

But Buch played center at higher levels too and some scouting reports and sites listed him as a center. I don't get why people on here seem to think it's so difficult to switch positions, tons of players do it. To think that none of Kravtsov, Laf, Kakko, or Buch (who are all elite talents) can do it is crazy to me

TBF to you, I actually think Kravtsov could do it. (I'm less sanguine about Buch.)

But the team has shown zero inclination to move either to this point, so I think we need to base our judgments off of that reality.

 

[SA16]

There's really no reason not to try it. It's not like it'll ruin him forever if it doesn't work. So you try Buch (or Kravtsov or whoever) at center for a month, and it doesn't work out, so what? You just move him back to wing and can continue to explore trades. It's somehow made out like center is an entirely different sport and unless you're a "natural center" (whatever that means) you can't play that. Meanwhile, you have players in baseball who play 2, 3, 4 or more positions, and players in football who play all over the field.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Let’s try Fox at Center! It’s such an easy position to play, anybody can do it. Even anybody!

Laf-Zbad-Kakko
Panarin-Fox-Kravtsov
Kreider-Chytil-Goodrow
Barron-Rooney-Gauthier/Blackwell

Lindgren-Trouba
Miller-Lundkvist
Robertson-Schneider

 

[mas0764]

I know, that's why I'm a center

But Buch played center at higher levels too and some scouting reports and sites listed him as a center. I don't get why people on here seem to think it's so difficult to switch positions, tons of players do it. To think that none of Kravtsov, Laf, Kakko, or Buch (who are all elite talents) can do it is crazy to me

I buy that it's difficult enough to do that it's not something to count on.

But I reject that it's so difficult to do that when you have an imbalance of elite young roster talent with room to be molded in their development that you shouldn't try it when it fixes, as I said, like, every problem you have.

 

[EdJovanovski]

TBF to you, I actually think Kravtsov could do it. (I'm less sanguine about Buch.)

But the team has shown zero inclination to move either to this point, so I think we need to base our judgments off of that reality.

Our FO & coaching staff is different now so it's hard to say. But our old FO after the 2018 draft did talk about Kravtsov being able to play center. And that was before Andersson busted and when we all thought we had an incoming logjam at center LOL, I remember some people when we drafted Chytil "Another center?????" just goes to show you always take BPA. In an interview after the WJC's where Kravtsov played center, they again talked about being impressed with him at center and saying he could potentially be a center at the NHL level.

I think so much of Kravtsov's game screams center, if you isolate him during play you'll notice he very often cheats to the middle of the ice. If someone didn't know better and just caught him mid-shift, they'd think he was center. He's also always the first man back on the back check. He has tremendous reach and is an excellent skater, which is big as skating seems to be the biggest knock against our top prospects. If there's one thing Gallant is known for, it's for getting the best out of players. I think he knows how to evaluate guys and I feel like he might see what many of us are seeing in Kravy

 

[pld459666]

that’s just plain not true. There are plenty of instances where a player is held back by their environment for whatever reasons. Not enough minutes/talent/wrong offensive system/coaching etc
You mean to tell me you don’t think Dvorak has the offensive chops to break 45 points when centering an elite winger like panarin and flanked by kakko/ Kravtsov ?? Especially with fox and his outlet/ no look passing skills

Chytil was pacing 42 points without that benefit.

Why do we need to trade for that guy, when we HAVE THAT GUY

 

[tlk]

Doubt if Panarin ever meaningfully played centre. But I'd pay (more) to see that (if there's even the slightest chance for that to succeed).

 

[mas0764]

When we start getting to Panarin and Buch moving to center that is where you lose me.

 

[romba]

So much offense, especially in the POs, starts at good board play. Whether it's strong like CK or slick like Panarin doesn't matter that much, just need to be effective. So far I haven't seen Chytil be much of either, but he's got the size and stick handling to be pretty effective, just needs better balance and agility and quicker processing. CK has the size and balance and is pretty good, but lacks the stick work and smarts to be a complete beast at it. Panarin has the smarts, agility and stick work and is very good at quickly moving it to the open man along the boards, but once pressed physically, he falters. Mika is a hybrid between the two of them when on his game, also pretty good but not amazing. Can't have em' all! Hopefully Chytil puts that aspect of his game together this year and is a net positive.

 

[CLW]

Chytil was pacing 42 points without that benefit.

Why do we need to trade for that guy, when we HAVE THAT GUY

If Chytil keeps developing over the next few seasons the Rangers are golden. Turk should be the perfect coach for him as well.

 

[426ers]

Let’s try Fox at Center! It’s such an easy position to play, anybody can do it. Even anybody!

Laf-Zbad-Kakko
Panarin-Fox-Kravtsov
Kreider-Chytil-Goodrow
Barron-Rooney-Gauthier/Blackwell

Lindgren-Trouba
Miller-Lundkvist
Robertson-Schneider

I'd put fox between Laf and Kakko. Just saying.

 

[jay from jersey]

Chytil was pacing 42 points without that benefit.

Why do we need to trade for that guy, when we HAVE THAT GUY

Your talking about straight points. I’m talking about the overall player. Who at this current time, plays better in other areas of the game.
Also, one plays for the far superior team. If they plan on promoting chytil and giving him 2nd line duty fine. But given the choice, everyone here that had a hard on for Danult at 6 mill a year, or trading for Dvo at his current deal, even when you factor 1 being a UFA, I still trade the assets to get Dvo 10 outta 10 times.
Not to mention, chytil plays with the superior team, with more talented players, in a better offensive system, with better puck moving defensemen. Ahh why bother. If you don’t understand the risk/reward while trading for the guy fine.
I highly doubt chytil starts at 2C to start the year. But that’s just me.

 

[pld459666]

Your talking about straight points. I’m talking about the overall player. Who at this current time, plays better in other areas of the game.
Also, one plays for the far superior team. If they plan on promoting chytil and giving him 2nd line duty fine. But given the choice, everyone here that had a hard on for Danult at 6 mill a year, or trading for Dvo at his current deal, even when you factor 1 being a UFA, I still trade the assets to get Dvo 10 outta 10 times

I'm not moving Chytil for Dvorak.

Jones, 15OA and another asset, I can live with that. But Chytil is 100% off-limits for Dvo.

 

[romba]

When we start getting to Panarin and Buch moving to center that is where you lose me.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I'd put fox between Laf and Kakko. Just saying.

Why stop there! Lets sign a walrus, and put him in goal! lol

 

[brakeyawself]

Miro Heiskanen’s deal is telling. Fox, Laf & Kakko are going to cost a fortune. Can’t keep all three if you’re going to keep Trouba, Kreider, Zibby and Buch.

Can't imagine Buch will be here much longer. Trouba's contract is huge, but they certainly won't resign him IMO. And I think they'd move him if they found a way to do so before his contract is up as his NMC runs out in 2023, with a few years left on contract. . Kreider likely staying I would imagine. Zibby is going to be tough and I think completely depends on what other Centers we acquire/draft/create.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I'm not moving Chytil for Dvorak.

Jones, 15OA and another asset, I can live with that. But Chytil is 100% off-limits for Dvo.

Just as long as that last asset is Hajek level, like Henrikson

 

[Thirty One]

This thread is getting very silly. Let's try to tone down the silliness.

 

[jay from jersey]

I'm not moving Chytil for Dvorak.

Jones, 15OA and another asset, I can live with that. But Chytil is 100% off-limits for Dvo.

I didn’t say to. I said they would most likely ask for a center pack to play for them in the interim, maybe strome works with the 15 and jones and then they flip strome at the deadline who knows.
Maybe we trade strome for the 25 OA to minn and Ari bites on 15+25