Speculation: Roster Building Thread XII

[jay from jersey]

Guys, do you think Schneider is a nhl ready D-man? I'm asking because Lundkvist would be great asset in a major trade e.c. for 2C.

I prefer to keep Schneider who is big defender. Lundkvist has a bigger trade value but he is small offensive RD as Fox.

On the other hand Schneider is only 19 and perhaps needs some time in AHL...

If Schneider isn’t ready this year, he’s not far off. Odds are he’s ready come next season. There’s no need to rush him currently, but if trading lundkvist gets us the guy we want, I personally pull the trigger.
Schneider could be ready for full time duty maybe a half year into the season? Maybe at camp. Gota see how he performs at camp to know.
I doubt Schneider is even available. He’s too unique of a skill set, and is the eventual replacement for Trouba to play top 4 hard minutes when the rangers ultimately move trouba when his nMC changes to a modified no trade

 

[Payote75]

His experience is not worth $2M more than Fast.

I did not put a price on it because all the facts are not in numbers wise but his skill set for what we need size and experience and actually winning cups.... for this team and our youth he is worth more than fast and not by a couple of hundred thousand. No doubt in my mind. We shall see though.

 

[Ola]

If we (or anyone) give Goodrow 4M/year it will be seen as one of the worst contracts in the league in a couple of years.

Maybe, at the same time, as long as someone clearly just earns a roster spot and contributes paying them 1.5m isn’t bad. If you then overpay another 2.5m it’s not the end of the world. Like 6m for a player who is just blocking a better kid — that isn’t good.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I agree with you. I’m on the Dvo train as an excellent option for 2C. Like Bobhop said, he’s a calculated risk. No guts no glory. Get him out of that shit heap, stick him with Panarin/ Kakko/ Kravtsov. And watch his game prosper. He’s got a lot of talent. And people looking for a player to do the dirty work on panarins line, Dvo fits that to a T.
Like I said he’d be cheaper then other options, because he is less proven atm, but not less talented. He got a lot more parallels in his game to guys like ROR and Cirelli then people realize. He’s just stuck in ARI

Thats fine but like i said im not paying the crazy trade that was offered for him. He is not getting any of my top prospects. It would be Jones and the 15th for him thats it. Im not giving Schnieder, kravy, and so on. Those guys are either fit our team need and want (schnieder ) and Kravy who is a top prospect in the nhl, who has been stated to go possibly go for Larkin. Larkin is better than DVO and i have no interest in Garland with him becoming a UFA and needing to be paid.

 

[Ola]

I’m trying to understand how yanni Gourde is on the exposed list and we didn’t make a deal for him. We absolutely should have tried. To me that’s a no brainer for Seattle from Tampa.

Tampa probably don’t want to see him with a rival. Could even have a hand shake deal with Seattle that he won’t be traded.

But I am 100% with you, for me it’s not a given who I would give up the most for, Gourde or Larkin. Gourde got a great contract. Larkin will get paid at the worst age.

 

[SA16]

Maybe, at the same time, as long as someone clearly just earns a roster spot and contributes paying them 1.5m isn’t bad. If you then overpay another 2.5m it’s not the end of the world. Like 6m for a player who is just blocking a better kid — that isn’t good.

If your play is worth 1.5M and you are being paid 4M you are not contributing to the success of the team even if you are a good player for that role.

 

[ETTER DE]

You're in a tiny minority I guess

Confirmed Trade: - [TBL/SJS] Barclay Goodrow, 2020 3rd round pick for Anthony Greco, 2020 1st round pick

The value for Tampa was that he had a low cap hit.

 

[broadwayblue]

We haven't even made the playoffs. Realistic shot of turing into perennial contenders is at least 2 seasons away.

Or we could make a run this coming season and be perennial contenders from that point on.

 

[Ola]

This team would be good:
Goodrow-Gourde-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil/Strome-Kreider
Laf-Zib-Buch/Kravy

 

[Trxjw]

Goodrow brings a needed element to the team but I really fail to see the incentive to overpay anyone to bring any kind of element to the team at this point.

 

[Fitzy]

I have to imagine guys like Stastny, Stepan, and Anisimov are gonna be available for like 1 year, 1 mil this offseason. Prove they still got it deals.

Lot of potential Vinny Prospal-esque bargains.

No need to sign every player at their premium.

 

[Ola]

If your play is worth 1.5M and you are being paid 4M you are not contributing to the success of the team even if you are a good player for that role.

Of course, and I agree. Just saying, that alone isn’t killing a franchise. So many get stuck with 6-9m contracts for players that aren’t even contributing. The team would probably not be interested in that player if they could get him at 1m per in UFA.

 

[Ola]

The Rangers need an identity makeover and Goodrow would go a ways towards doing that. We’re too soft of a team and if to change that means Strome or Buch get moved then we should pay that price. Personally I would very much like to keep Buch but we’re not going to be trading him away without getting something back.

As for what Goodrow would get to sign a deal with us it’s one f***ing contract. If he gets six years and starts to fade after four we can buy him the f*** out and buying a $3.5 or $4 mil a year contract out is not the greatest thing in the world but it’s not the f***ing end of the world either.

So why would Goodrow get paid more than other 3rd liners? Maybe because he’s hard to play against and you can count on his consistency. Maybe because he’s been very much part of a team that’s won twice.

Again players like him can change the identity of a team and ours needs changing. Also soft teams never win anything.

If you back load a contract like that at a reasonable rate — the buyout would be pretty OK if it comes to that, right?

 

[Beer League Sniper]

If Schneider isn’t ready this year, he’s not far off. Odds are he’s ready come next season. There’s no need to rush him currently, but if trading lundkvist gets us the guy we want, I personally pull the trigger.
Schneider could be ready for full time duty maybe a half year into the season? Maybe at camp. Gota see how he performs at camp to know.
I doubt Schneider is even available. He’s too unique of a skill set, and is the eventual replacement for Trouba to play top 4 hard minutes when the rangers ultimately move trouba when his nMC changes to a modified no trade

Really hope the organization takes its time with Schneider. He was just drafted last season, and definitely seems like a prospect that would benefit from some time in Hartford to round out his game. Too many times, you see players rushed to the league, and any chance of a higher level to their games gets lost. They just learn to keep their heads above water and nothing else. I think there’s offense in Schneider’s game that you saw in juniors. If you rush the kid, I think any chance of that translating to the NHL is going to be lost.

 

[Thirty One]

Goodrow brings a needed element to the team but I really fail to see the incentive to overpay anyone to bring any kind of element to the team at this point.

Ownership values being good now over being great later, so the previous strategy of being patient for an opportunity to present itself at the right price wasn’t going to fly anymore.

 

[Ola]

So Strickland saying that there is really strong interest in Ryan Strome from the Sens?

This is big news. Interesting. Sounds like Drury got his name out there. Love that.

 

[Ola]

Who do we like from Ottawa? Or is it just picks? They got plenty of 2nd rounders.

 

[jay from jersey]

Really hope the organization takes its time with Schneider. He was just drafted last season, and definitely seems like a prospect that would benefit from some time in Hartford to round out his game. Too many times, you see players rushed to the league, and any chance of a higher level to their games gets lost. They just learn to keep their heads above water and nothing else. I think there’s offense in Schneider’s game that you saw in juniors. If you rush the kid, I think any chance of that translating to the NHL is going to be lost.

Yea it’s all going to be up to them/Schneider ultimately. He got a little taste of AHL time last season and won the WHL D-man of the year. If he has a great half/ whole season at Hartford, maybe they think it’s better for his development to ease him into the NHL on 3rd pair minutes. Or maybe they still want to have him playing heavy first pair minutes for the rest of the season with the pack. It’s all going to come down to how good his camp is, and if they move nils in a deal for a 2C

 

[Fitzy]

Who do we like from Ottawa? Or is it just picks? They got plenty of 2nd rounders.

A ways back in the thread Strome+15 for 10+something was tossed around

 

[Trxjw]

Ownership values being good now over being great later, so the previous strategy of being patient for an opportunity to present itself at the right price wasn’t going to fly anymore.

I hate how accurate this is.

 

[SRHRangers]

I'm with some in this chat.

If Goodrow is 4 mil AAV, it's a slap in the face that we choose him over Buch.

4 mil is a big overpay.

 

[Tob]

Next 5 days are going to be miserable in here.

 

[jay from jersey]

Thats fine but like i said im not paying the crazy trade that was offered for him. He is not getting any of my top prospects. It would be Jones and the 15th for him thats it. Im not giving Schnieder, kravy, and so on. Those guys are either fit our team need and want (schnieder ) and Kravy who is a top prospect in the nhl, who has been stated to go possibly go for Larkin. Larkin is better than DVO and i have no interest in Garland with him becoming a UFA and needing to be paid.

Yea I can see that. I don’t know why we would go for garland instead of just paying Buch. He’s better as far as I’m concerned and they both will make similar cash/term.

I think the basis isn’t far of for a DVO deal. I say chytil and 15 because they are going to want an interm cheap C while Hayton develops more.
Maybe we could swing strome+ 15OA, maybe Jones/ Renunanen
For Dvorak and Crouse

 

[Off Sides]

Ownership values being good now over being great later, so the previous strategy of being patient for an opportunity to present itself at the right price wasn’t going to fly anymore.

Are you saying there is no other way to be good besides overpaying on Goodrow?

I mean I think most owners want to be good now, and good if not great later.

I think given the Rangers current roster a good GM could actually make the playoffs, and improve the team beyond for several years that without needing to overpay for UFAs.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Ownership values being good now over being great later, so the previous strategy of being patient for an opportunity to present itself at the right price wasn’t going to fly anymore.

I dont think this was ever the game plan.

They threw bags of money at Panarin and Trouba the off season after being one of the worst teams in the league.