Speculation: Roster Building Thread XII

[UAGoalieGuy]

Thoughts on asking Seattle to pick Gourde and Saucy and then them retaining 50% on both for Buch?

Strome for Pinto and a 2nd.

Sign Bellmere and Nosek. Give Chytil a shot at 2C or trade him in a package to Detriot for Larkin.

Laff - Zib - Kakko
Panarin - Chytil/Larkin - Kravstov
Kreider - Gourde - Goodrow
Nosek - Rooney- Bellmere
Blackwell or Gauthier (whoever isn't picked)

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Saucy- Lundkvist
Smith

 

[DanielBrassard]

The other would be detrimental if it doesn't work out and we don't have Goodrow.

I'm not suggesting to throw a 6 year 24 million dollar contract at him. But I wouldn't shy away from ponying up a good amount.

I don't see how signing a bottom-6 forward for something greater than what he's worth by a large margin would be beneficial in any way. Not a great "consolation prize" in my eyes if the other path didn't work out. When you start overpaying mid-level players to fill a "need" in terms of cap hit is when you start to get into trouble.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the Rangers are competing for the Stanley Cup not the Salary Cap Cup.

Absolutely, you have to be smart, and do the best you can with the constraints of the league. At the same time, every good team is in cap hell.

The league is designed that way. Cap hell and being bad are your choices. There isn't a middle ground.

More and more teams are going to start "cheating." I don't think it's gonna work but Montreal tried to pull shit with Price, that's obvious.

You have to overpay players and then purge to win the Stanley Cup. That's why the overall quality of teams is down, which I complain about all the time.

This is the league the owners wanted and it's the league we play in. We don't get a choice. Just be thankful they keep Arizona around solely to dump cap onto.

We have a two year window before Kreider develops a "rare illness" and we should take advantage of it.

Exactly and there is always a way out and options to teams in cap trouble. Look what the Piles unloaded on Arizona for 2 2nds. Too many posters on here sleep with their calculator under their pillow worrying about cap issues 3 years from now.

 

[jay from jersey]

You win with guys like Goodrow when they are making small amounts of money. Not while making 4 million. f*** the 7th round pick next year, I’d pay that just so they didn’t sign this guy.

It can offset when guys like LaF kakko etc aren’t breaking the bank. This is primarily the squad they are going with. They are going to grow together and win together. The key now is, every year getting 1 young cheap guy to come up and play big while flanked by 2 young players /vets.
Next year, maybe cullye or Berard makes the jump to the bottom 6 and you keep recycling young cheap talent that way. it works for Tampa.
Last year with colton. This year Joeseph and Stevens are coming for guys that priced themselves out. But the overall core guys remain.
The key is not to keep trading 1st and 2nds year after year, and not missing on the picks when you don’t deal them.
I don’t want a bottom 6 full of Goodrows. High priced across the board. The Canucks did that and it’s a recipe for disaster. But 1 guy is fine to set the tone. It’s key we bring along 1 a year. This year it’s Barron. Next year, hopefully Cuylle or Berard and so on. You need established guys for these kids to learn from

 

[EdJovanovski]

Thoughts on asking Seattle to pick Gourde and Saucy and then them retaining 50% on both for Buch?

Strome for Pinto and a 2nd.

Sign Bellmere and Nosek. Give Chytil a shot at 2C or trade him in a package to Detriot for Larkin.

Laff - Zib - Kakko
Panarin - Chytil/Larkin - Kravstov
Kreider - Gourde - Goodrow
Nosek - Rooney- Bellmere
Blackwell or Gauthier (whoever isn't picked)

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Saucy- Lundkvist
Smith

What’s this obsession everyone seems to have with trading the best penalty killer in the NHL who paced for 72pts this season for a third liner?

 

[Machinehead]

I'm going to make the assumption that we move somebody to center because that's easier to imagine than making up a Buchnevich trade.

We're not paying Goodrow the rumored demands to be on the 4th line.

Let's say Strome just to clear space is the causality. We get a draft pick.

It's just an example so bear with me.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Kreider-Goodrow-Kravtsov
Barron-Rooney-Somebody

If we get even solid, not great development out of the kids, that's a video game forward corps.

Plus the Norris winner and a top 10 goalie.

We're closer than you think.

We're retooling in a couple of years anyway. That has nothing to do with the decisions we make and everything to do with the fact that the league has a hard cap that's staying flat.

Let's try to win while the best defensemen in the league is making six figures.

 

[nyaz11]

Getting Goodrow in was a good start - As long as they keep the money close to/under 3.5 million he's exactly what they need to start to establish a bottom 6 that can win ugly.

At the numbers that are being thrown around for him I would imagine it means the end of Buchnevich. All signs seem to indicate Buch, Strome, Jones, 15, Georgiev - possibly Lundkvist out (if the target is a top line center) - while they bring in their #2 center, probably a LD with middle pair potential and a potential center of the future.

I'd like to see them add 2 more 4th liners at good numbers, one being Nosek with the Gallant connection - Personally I'd bring in a guy like Zajac for the 4th line center role - strong faceoffs, pk - take some pressure on big draws off whoever the #2 center is - but with the Rooney protection it wouldn't shock me if he gets the job.

Drury has his work cut out for him getting that number 2 center. I'm much more on board for the Larkin, Lindholm, Dvorak, PLD if possible range so we can avoid the impending cap crunch down the line.

I'd have Seattle on the phone about Giordano for a short term fix as a guy that can do a little bit of everything. Plays a hard game, a leader, will be looking to win.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

What’s this obsession everyone seems to have with trading the best penalty killer in the NHL who paced for 72pts this season for a third liner?

Buch is the best Pker in the NHL?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I'm going to make the assumption that we move somebody to center because that's easier to imagine than making up a Buchnevich trade.

We're not paying Goodrow the rumored demands to be on the 4th line.

Let's say Strome just to clear space is the causality. We get a draft pick.

It's just an example so bear with me.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Kreider-Goodrow-Kravtsov
Barron-Rooney-Somebody

If we get even solid, not great development out of the kids, that's a video game forward corps.

Plus the Norris winner and a top 10 goalie.

We're closer than you think.

We're retooling a couple if years anyway. That has nothing to do with the decisions we make and everything to do with the fact that the league has a hard cap that's staying flat.

Let's try to win while the best defensemen in the league is making six figures.

and an elite winger here for 5 more years. I understand the kids still gotta grow but the Rangers didn’t sign Panarin to waste him for 7 years

 

[SA16]

It can offset when guys like LaF kakko etc aren’t breaking the bank. This is primarily the squad they are going with. They are going to grow together and win together. The key now is, every year getting 1 young cheap guy to come up and play big while flanked by 2 young players /vets.
Next year, maybe cullye or Berard makes the jump to the bottom 6 and you keep recycling young cheap talent that way. it works for Tampa.
Last year with colton. This year Joeseph and Stevens are coming for guys that priced themselves out. But the overall core guys remain.
The key is not to keep trading 1st and 2nds year after year, and not missing on the picks when you don’t deal them.

Tampa Bay did not sign any bottom six players to expensive deals. They had Johnson and Gourde there but that was not by intent. When they signed them they were top six players. They purposely traded a lot for Coleman and Goodrow because they were inexpensive.

 

[CLW]

Also, "finding your own" is kinda just something we made up. Tampa didn't. They traded firsts for Goodrow and Coleman. I'll sign up for back to back Cups.

They used their firsts to fix holes. They didn't tie them down to anchor contracts before they won the cups.

 

[Thirty One]

Thoughts on asking Seattle to pick Gourde and Saucy and then them retaining 50% on both for Buch?

Think if Seattle is willing to retain 50% on Gourde, they are going to get a hell of a lot better offers than that.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Buch is the best Pker in the NHL?

Yes
Best GA on the PK of any forward in the league this season, second best GA on PK of any player in the league after Hedman.

 

[jay from jersey]

Tampa Bay did not sign any bottom six players to expensive deals. They had Johnson and Gourde there but that was not by intent. When they signed them they were top six players. They purposely traded a lot for Coleman and Goodrow because they were inexpensive.

I’m not saying they did. I’m saying they recycled internally when guys eventually priced themselves out. This year they are getting hit harder the. Usual by expansion and their own success. But year after year they internally add 1-2 guys to their top 12 and get cheap excellent play.
Last year it was Miller traded. This season they lose Gourde, Coleman and Goodrow with guys like Joseph, Stevens, Colton etc ready to step in and fill the void

 

[Machinehead]

and an elite winger here for 5 more years. I understand the kids still gotta grow but the Rangers didn’t sign Panarin to waste him for 7 years

Exactly. Lafreniere and Kakko can't even drink. Their development is towards them being core players on the 2028 Stanley Cup Champions.

Right now, they're complementary players. We already have the cheap complementary players that you just find!! We're just doing it in reverse order because of lottery luck.

 

[SA16]

I’m not saying they did. I’m saying they recycled internally when guys eventually priced themselves out. This year they are getting hit harder the. Usual by expansion and their own success. But year after year they internally add 1-2 guys to their top 12 and get cheap excellent play.
Last year it was Miller traded.

Yes, that is the point. They get it for cheap. They do not pay a lot of money for those players.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I still like trying to get Dvorak. He could be like our “Pageau” and he’s got an even better contract. maybe it takes just picks (AZ wants them, maybe it takes a very good prospect). I really think he’s a 55-60 point player at least with Panarin and he does everything else Strome doesn’t do.

At the very least make a call. His name is out there.

if you trade for him, you could THORETICALLY keep Buchnevich at 6M and you’re right there at what you’d be paying Jack Eichel if you traded for him.

and you’d still have your main prospects/young players

 

[jay from jersey]

Yes, that is the point. They get it for cheap. They do not pay a lot of money for those players.

Paying 1 guy in the bottom 6 isn’t cap crippling. This signing is as much about giving the young guys an experienced winner to look up to as well as to correct the mistake of not resigning fast, which many thought was not a big deal.
They traded for Miller/ McD. Resigned him to long term deal, and traded him again for value and replaced him internally. They paid Gourde, Killorn, palat etc Cirelli.
Their main problem was the amount of NMC given out at contract time.
Drury cannot make that mistake. As long as the cupboard is still being stocked with NHL talent, the rangers will be fine.

 

[Machinehead]

They used their firsts to fix holes. They didn't tie them down to anchor contracts before they won the cups.

We're using an anchor contract to fill a hole. Is using a first better?

People hate it when we do that too.

And that's kind of my point. We've been poisoned with this cap space for cap space mentality. 100 year rebuild.

You pile up space and picks for when you're good. We should be good soon.

 

[DutchShamrock]

By Wednesday, we'll be saying "Anything less than 7 years $5M a year for Goodrow without NMC on his final year will be fantastic"

Otherwise the 7th was a waste. That 7th could be anyone. Lundqvist was a 7th round pick.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Machinehead made a great point, yes they are young, yes they will have growing pains, but the "core" of the Rangers AT THE MOMENT is in place, Panarin, Zibanejad (if kept), Trouba, Kreider, Fox, Lindgren, Shesterkin.. Buchnevich? ... The guys that people want "making peanuts" to contribute ARE here (Laf, Kakko, Kravtsov, Nils, maybe others coming soon like Schneider, Cuyle, Berard, etc).. Now is as good of a time as any to AT LEAST get into contention, and who knows maybe Laf and Kakko break out much sooner and then you're looking at maybe legit contenders in a year instead of 3

 

[eco's bones]

If you back load a contract like that at a reasonable rate — the buyout would be pretty OK if it comes to that, right?

More like if you front load the player will be easier to movelater in the term if necessary. The cap hit is the cap hit on buyouts though.

 

[RGY]

What’s this obsession everyone seems to have with trading the best penalty killer in the NHL who paced for 72pts this season for a third liner?

In this scenario we are getting two very serviceable players for him. PKers are replaceable. I like Buchnevich, but we are loaded on the wing. We have other needs to fill.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Yea I can see that. I don’t know why we would go for garland instead of just paying Buch. He’s better as far as I’m concerned and they both will make similar cash/term.

I think the basis isn’t far of for a DVO deal. I say chytil and 15 because they are going to want an interm cheap C while Hayton develops more.
Maybe we could swing strome+ 15OA, maybe Jones/ Renunanen
For Dvorak and Crouse

Id rather not give up chytl in a dvo trade. Whole point is to keep our young core. I do like the Strome, 15th, and Jones/Renunanan for dvo and a good bottom 6er

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Id rather not give up chytl in a dvo trade. Whole point is to keep our young core. I do like the Strome, 15th, and Jones/Renunanan for dvo and a good bottom 6er

Rangers need to make a decision if Chytil is part of the "core" or not and go from there...

Hell if AZ is trading Garland and trying to trade Kuemper as well, maybe they just want picks back for Dvorak (like the Pageau trade)