So if we gave Rooney 1st line minutes he’d score 60+ points?!?!
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Machinehead
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I would be into it. Great playoff performer.
Strome isn't a bad center. He legitimately drives even strength offense with and without Panarin and his production at his salary is huge bang for your buck.
There are two problems:
1) He weirdly sucks on powerplay. Like SUCKS. Strome is why Fox didn't have like 70 points even more so than Zibanejad. He might even be the reason Zibanejad sucked on the PP although that needs more research. That might just be because he's on his off-wing in an NHL where every team runs the 1-3-1 and off-wings are extinct.
2) He's bad defensively and that's redundant on the Rangers, a team filled with lethal scorers and questionable play without the puck.
The reality of the cap means that you sometimes have to pick out casualties you can live with losing, not necessarily *want* to lose.
Strome would be an outstanding pickup for a team with a stalwart defensive center, and an even better pickup potentially for a team that could get him PP minutes on the correct side.
Vegas would be an amazing fit. I could play with Mark Stone and the line would put up decent defensive metrics. Plus, there all already physical and responsible. They need guys who just score.
Eichel needing to go to a place where he "isn't 'the guy'" is absurd. It's the NHL not the NBA. One guy can't carry his team every single night. The problem in Buffalo isn't Eichel it's what surrounds him.
I certainly don't think he's the guy I'd hand the captaincy to but all this "not a winner" or "not a guy you win with" stuff is just kind of ridiculous. Every player is "not a guy you win with" until they win something. Ovie was the classic example.
That all being said, I still don't think we should be after him.
I certainly don't think he's the guy I'd hand the captaincy to but all this "not a winner" or "not a guy you win with" stuff is just kind of ridiculous. Every player is "not a guy you win with" until they win something. Ovie was the classic example.
That all being said, I still don't think we should be after him.
EdJovanovski
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The PP thing I'm 99% sure is simply because of handedness. We got Panarin & Mika for the one timers, and the quarterback is a righty in Fox. Strome is just sort of in no-mans land because of it. I have no doubt he would look fine on the PP if the handedness was balanced out
NoQuitInNewMexico
it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
The Quinn-Strome dynamic was one of the weirder mystery boxes of that season with the stuff Ryan said in the press that one time. I expected Brendan Smith to get that A at the end of the season ahead of him. My guess is they got along, but they butted heads a bit. The beat writers probably couldn't get the story because of how far away they were from the team with the covid stuff, like I think Carp said he's never met Alexis Lafreniere
rangers1314
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Is anyone else slightly concerned that we're a week from the draft and 12 days from Free Agency, and we still don't have an AGM or AHL GM?
Strome's had a nice journey on this board. Crazy to think how far he's come since the days of "his shooting percentage is unsustainable." 
Machinehead
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No.
He scored 1.27 p/60 at even strength which, with first line minutes, is about 27 points over 82 games.
That's just at even strength and no sample really exists of what Rooney would do on the powerplay. I could see a scenario where he scores 35 points of you absolutely IV'd him with minutes and why would you want to? So, no, it's not a lot but it's a lot for a 4th liner.
You have to keep on mind that Rooney actually has bottom six scoring efficiency and Chytil posted elite scoring efficiency in 20-21.
I would say the conclusion to take from the McDavid example is that usage can shrink good players a lot more so than usage can grow not so good players.
I mean it was... his first season with us it was 22%. it then dropped to 10-11% which is higher than his career number but also he's playing with panarin so you can expect a small bump from that.Strome's had a nice journey on this board. Crazy to think how far he's come since the days of "his shooting percentage is unsustainable."
Machinehead
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smoneil
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I don't think he's a bad center, and I don't think he's a product of Panarin. I worry a bit about his face off numbers (because he's past the age where you can really expect great improvement there). I was concerned last year with his tendency to take lazy offensive zone penalties, though he cleaned that up a lot this year. I still think he is far too lax about defending, but there are three reasons I want to move him. The first is financial. The bottom line is that we can't afford Zib, a new C acquisition, some sandpaper, AND the extensions that our kids will command. It just isn't possible. The second reason is mental. Strome has a history of playing up to or down to his confidence level (reminds me a bit of Del Zotto in that regard). I just don't think he would respond well to being made the 3rd line center (and he'd be too expensive to be a 3rd liner to begin with). The number one reason I want him moved, however, is because of the nonsense he pulled this year regarding his style of play.
When your coach is preaching over and over again that the team needs to play more direct, north/south hockey, and you--as a veteran player on a young team--just...don't do it, that's bad enough. When you then go to the media and effectively blast your coach because you see yourself as a star player who should be trusted to do as you please? GTFO. He's two seasons removed from being plucked off the scrap heap, and now his shit doesn't stink? Part of that is on Quinn, for tolerating it in the first place, but as I said before, if I were the new coach coming into that room, and I knew a player in that room had pulled that kind of crap, that player would be gone in short order.
rangers1314
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smoneil
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DutchShamrock
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Not for nothing, you should be asking for the whole top 6 to get moved then.
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EdJovanovski
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And they’re currently available!Dude, I don’t know…there are 16 centers being paid $8M+ annually, and only one of those contracts was signed post-2019…
Like…two of those centers are Matt Duchene and Ryan Johansen.
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I dont think Strome is "bad".. I would absolutely love him if his 2 way play was better with the same points. The issue is Chytil as the 3C and yes he is young is very much like Strome, not physical, can't win face offs, not great defensively etc. You really can't have 2 of those down the middle.
If Chytil was a winger, and Zib/Strome was the 1/C with say someone like Danault (but a cheaper version of him) and someone like Bellemare as the 4C, the team would be more balanced and tougher to play against down the middle.
If Chytil was a winger, and Zib/Strome was the 1/C with say someone like Danault (but a cheaper version of him) and someone like Bellemare as the 4C, the team would be more balanced and tougher to play against down the middle.
Tongue in cheek. Strome's been shit on since he got here either because of his shooting percentage or being a complete product of Panarin. Meanwhile some have been saying he's actually a pretty useful player who was finding his way back from a low point in his career.
Right guy with our current group? Likely not but just amusing to me to see how he's viewed now compared to the same time last year.
smoneil
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Strome's the one that mouthed off in the media. You can't sacrifice the whole top 6. You can make an example of the least valuable member of that group to make it clear that those days are over.
He gave a quote to Carp (I think) where, unprompted, he said something along the lines of "I know people think we should shoot more and play more direct, but there comes a point where you just have to trust your top players to know the best way to play" or something to that effect. He basically called out his coach for the constant mantra about needing to play more N/S hockey, and told him through the media that he was a top player and he'd do what he pleased, thank you very much. My jaw hit the floor when I read it. I'm still amazed it wasn't a bigger story than it was. That kind of nonsense can kill a whole team culture.
I think alot of people at the end of 19-20 were looking at him as "ok can he play w/o panarin because I dont think panarin needed strome".
Now strome has done it without panarin, and he's definitely earned a nice sized payday. However he definitely has his flaws and they can get exposed playing against elite competition. I really think his best shot at a future on the rangers would be as panarin's wing if we move chytil up to 2c.
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