Speculation: Roster Building Thread XI

[wafflepadsave]

If Howden gets traded I'm doing a backflip.

We’re gonna need video.

 

[smoneil]

Tongue in cheek. Strome's been shit on since he got here either because of his shooting percentage or being a complete product of Panarin. Meanwhile some have been saying he's actually a pretty useful player who was finding his way back from a low point in his career.

Right guy with our current group? Likely not but just amusing to me to see how he's viewed now compared to the same time last year.

To give Strome credit, he did a lot to change that perception this year. Last year, it seemed like he couldn't go two games without a lazy o-zone penalty, and this year it wasn't a problem at all. Last year, there was every reason in the world to assume that he was getting at least a bump in production due to being Panarin's center, and this year he really held everything together through that chunk of the season where Panarin was on leave and Zib was ass. I just don't think he has the mindset to be an effective 3C, and the team needs something different in one of the top 3 center spots (Zib, Strome, and Chytil are all very similar). Zib has better production. Chytil has more room for growth and is cheap. Strome is the only logical option in terms of which of the three to move.

 

[bobbop]

Can we go back to talking about Larkin?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

If the Rangers can't bring in a 2C... what about...

Panarin-Chytil-Strome
Lafraniere-Zibanejad-Kakko

if Buch is traded. We know Strome can play RW, he excels with Panarin, and it allows the Rangers to see what Chytil can do with some extended time at center. If it dont work you can always move Strome back there with him still being on the team.

The line is kinda weak physically tho, but Chytil when he's engaged does the hardwork, forechecking, etc.

Its' an idea

 

[Thirty One]

If the Rangers can't bring in a 2C... what about...

Panarin-Chytil-Strome
Lafraniere-Zibanejad-Kakko

if Buch is traded. We know Strome can play RW, he excels with Panarin, and it allows the Rangers to see what Chytil can do with some extended time at center. If it dont work you can always move Strome back there with him still being on the team.

Its' an idea

And who is centering the 3rd line?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

And who is centering the 3rd line?

pick up someone to center the 3rd line who is actually a 3rd line center.. Nosek can play there, Goodrow can play center, Bonino, Foligno, there's many options, and Bellemare as the 4

There's a slew of bottom six centers available in FA

 

[DanielBrassard]

If the Rangers can't bring in a 2C... what about...

Panarin-Chytil-Strome
Lafraniere-Zibanejad-Kakko

if Buch is traded. We know Strome can play RW, he excels with Panarin, and it allows the Rangers to see what Chytil can do with some extended time at center. If it dont work you can always move Strome back there with him still being on the team.

The line is kinda weak physically tho, but Chytil when he's engaged does the hardwork, forechecking, etc.

Its' an idea

I don't see the reason to do this.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I don't see the reason to do this.

Its the only way to really give Chytil any real chance at grabbing the 2C which could ideally work out great for the Rangers in the long term, or it doesn't and we realize it and move Strome back there and still try to get a 2C..

 

[DanielBrassard]

Its the only way to really give Chytil any real chance at grabbing the 2C which could ideally work out great for the Rangers in the long term, or it doesn't and we realize it and move Strome back there and still try to get a 2C..

Sure, but does that make the team better? You replace Buch with a worse player no matter what position they are playing. I'd rather just roll 3 lines that are very good.

 

[rangers1314]

 

[Machinehead]

Strome's the one that mouthed off in the media. You can't sacrifice the whole top 6. You can make an example of the least valuable member of that group to make it clear that those days are over.





He gave a quote to Carp (I think) where, unprompted, he said something along the lines of "I know people think we should shoot more and play more direct, but there comes a point where you just have to trust your top players to know the best way to play" or something to that effect. He basically called out his coach for the constant mantra about needing to play more N/S hockey, and told him through the media that he was a top player and he'd do what he pleased, thank you very much. My jaw hit the floor when I read it. I'm still amazed it wasn't a bigger story than it was. That kind of nonsense can kill a whole team culture.

I can kinda see his point so maybe it just could have been worded better?

It's not that they shouldn't play N/S or that top players should ignore the system, but Quinn would bark about doing that with no plan to do it. We'll see what/how Strome does under a coach that has an identity, unless he is moved.

 

[LokiDog]

Get bored more often. This is lit.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Sure, but does that make the team better? You replace Buch with a worse player no matter what position they are playing. I'd rather just roll 3 lines that are very good.

Yeah, but Buchnevich could be out regardless depending on ask, and Strome can play RW.. If we lose Buch is it really that bad of an idea to put Strome as a RW instead of throwing Kravtsov into the top six right away?

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

In this case, it means rather a lot. The season was shortened, and Chytil's was shortened more than most due to injury and Covid. EVERYONE is looked at in terms of pace this past season to put that season in context with a normal year. Pace also matters because, if it's only ever about "what a player actually puts up" then you will miss things like the fact that Chytil has put up the same production over the last three years, but he hit those numbers in significantly fewer games played in each year.

I understand that but the guys points are his points. Plain and simple. He could have gone on a tear or he could have been dog shit and put up nothing the rest of the year. Thats all im saying. I know there is a law of averages. I know he has gotten better(still has lots to work on, faceoffs and D) and im all for locking him up long term like 6 years if i can and at a good cap hit like 5m per then sold. You can see potential and look at the guys true stats.

And yes, he put those numbers up in few games and was starting to understand what works and doesnt in the nhl, which is why i see progress.

his stats are whatever they are over how ever many games. Its not, oh well he got hurt and missed this many games and we believe this would have been how many points he would have had. See the difference. One is real, one is hypothetical.

Anyway, just my two cents.

 

[Tob]

Ryan Strome is a sweetheart and I will defend him to the death.

 

[Thirty One]

Islanders a team to watch unlike when the season is on. Hey -o!

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

As much as people talk about how Chytil started the season great, it was actually in April, with the Kid line, where he got most of his production this season (10 points in 16 games). In response, Quinn played him about 12 and a half minutes per game that month. His production was spiking, and Quinn cut his minutes.

This was his PPTOI/Game during that month:

4/1: 1o seconds
4/3: No pp time
4/6: No pp time
4/8: No pp time
4/9: No pp time (though to be fair, the team didn't have any power plays in this game)
4/11: No pp time
4/13: No pp time (no power plays in this game)
4/15: 13 seconds
4/17: No pp time
4/18: No pp time
4/20: 13 seconds
4/22: 11 seconds
4/23: No pp time
4/25: No pp time
4/27: No pp time
4/29: 6 seconds

So in the month where Chytil had a hot hand, Quinn put him on the power play for a grand total of 53 seconds spread across 16 games.

Looking through the game logs, the literal only time where Chytil got extended time (more than a minute per game) of power play opportunity was right after he came back from Covid and his wrist injury, which also coincided with Panarin's leave of absence and the worst part of Zibanejad's extended funk.

So trying to look at this season and make ANY big claims about Chytil's potential efficacy as a power play player is ridiculous.

Just goes to show how HORRENDOUS of a coach Quinn was.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I just dont see the Rangers letting Chytil get a chance at 2C without some kind of safety net in case it doesn't work out, which is why I mentioned the idea

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Thank you.

Why are so many people so hell bent on under rating Chytil? I don’t get it.

I love Chytl and his potential but he was misused horribly by quinn. The only helpful thing quinn did was keep their cap hits low enough so we can afford them, IF we are smart and sign our young core to long term deals

 

[Machinehead]

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Yes!!!

 

[wafflepadsave]

Almost every other player we chose at #21 or later took at least 2 years before they turned NA pro. by this point in his career, JT Miller (#15) had 10 NHL points. Derek Stepan had 45 points in his rookie year in 82 games and he was playing top 6 that season. Heck, even Bradyden Point didn't have his rookie season until his D+3 and he had 40 points in 68 games. All this to say, Chytil may never come close to sniffing Brayden Point's production as a 1C. But he definitely has the potential to be a middle of the pack 1C or a very valuable 2-3C just based on his trajectory. As a wing, he would also be very effective.

Until his mental game catches up to his physical, he’s gonna be a similar player. If that part( vision & hockey sense) increases, then he will be a 2c.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

For those really into advanced stats, can someone outline to me the reason why Strome is a bad center? I look quickly at his last couple of seasons and man, they look pretty good.

Bc its not about stats for him. Yes he has gotten better points wise, but man can he NOT do anything else. He cant win faceoffs, does absolutely no board work, plays atrocious defense, all things that go into making a great center

 

[bobbop]

Just goes to show how HORRENDOUS of a coach Quinn was.

OK, we get it. He got fired didn’t he?

Do you want him crucified for good measure?

 

[Thirty One]

OK, we get it. He got fired didn’t he?

Do you want him crucified for good measure?

Can't wait for Chytil to become the PP player we all know he is under Gallant. I'll add that to the list.

 

[Tob]

OK, we get it. He got fired didn’t he?

Do you want him crucified for good measure?

what do you think I pay my internet bill for?