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Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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MrAlmost said:
Lesh just turned 24. I don't think he will be good. But he had a good run in the AHL, is cheap, and the team knows him. Players can improve and we will see. The Dereks are all like 34+ years old. Youre spending cap on players that won't be here past a year and ability could hugely diminish from 1 year to the next. And maybe your next argument is fourth liners are mercenaries anyways. Well I would say continuity is valuable and if we are going to spend money, why spend it on the older players when better players, Acciari, Nosek, Rod, etc. Can be had for similar money and more years. There is a better way to spend the money.

Having said this I can guarantee it will bite me in the ass and we sign Stepan July 1st.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa...I never made that argument anywhere and in all my time posting I have stated my opinion on 4th liners.

I am of the firm belief for the rest of my life that 4th liners are either young players on an ELC with a particular set of skills who can do two of three: PK/PP/win faceoffs OR reclamation projects in the bargain bin with good advanced analytics who can also do some of the above (Grabner).

The only time you ever go against that is for a one year stopgap to help kids break in, or at the TDL for a rental who can do other things and move up.

In this case, the Rangers have no Cs in the organization (thanks Grubbe) so:

-You sign a competent veteran center to a one year deal
-You put him in between two homegrown younger players on ELCs.
-The money will come from most if not all of the UFAs going bye bye and trading Goodrow. The One year veteran replacement 4th liner will cost 1/3 of Goodrow.


My idea is to place one of the Dereks (lets say Ryan for argument sake) in between Cullye/Edstrom/Lockwood/bargain bin (ideally it's Cullye and Edstrom) and just let them skate, bowling ball, and PK all year.
 
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Savant said:
When you root for a team in this area, you have to understand that some players, for whatever reason, simply cannot handle New York
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I can see why. The pressure of being dealt for a fan favorite in Buchnevich and the injury must of got to him.
 
bernmeister said:
Are you kidding me?
A second for damaged goods is WAY too much, and that is not counting another 1st we would be on the hook for if we got out of the first round.

HE GOT BENT OVER
BIG TIME
don't just take it
complain
be an activist consumer

better to be pissed off than pissed on
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Not to mention we lost The Chosen One in the process to make up that cap space
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
Yeah he was ass, the Rangers patience had nothing to do with it

I do feel a bit bad for Blais with his injury but the guy started lighting it up immediately after he left.

He is forever on my bum list
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Or maybe he didn't fit into our lack of system, system. I mean him and Gauthier skated into each other what 2 times in one game?

I'm not surprised at all he's back to himself being off this team
 
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Really can’t be upset with Blais finding success after he left the Rangers. Wasn’t a fit, plus the injury set him back, and never got the opportunities here.
 
bernmeister said:
Are you kidding me?
A second for damaged goods is WAY too much, and that is not counting another 1st we would be on the hook for if we got out of the first round.

HE GOT BENT OVER
BIG TIME
don't just take it
complain
be an activist consumer

better to be pissed off than pissed on
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7 playoff games, 6 points, 2nd among forwards for a 2nd rounder.

He wasn’t the problem.
 
RangerBoy said:
What is Chris Drury's worst move as Rangers GM?

The Pavel Buchnevich trade or the Patrick Nemeth debacle.

Drury signed Nemeth to a 3 year contract worth $7.5M. One year later, Drury sent two 2nd round picks to Arizona for them to assume Nemeth's contract.

Drury doesn’t take enough heat for his moves.

The Rangers have four draft picks in this draft. Maybe Drury can pick up a late round pick for Jayden Grubbe's rights. Thursday is June 1.

The Rangers traded their 2nd round pick in the Patrick Kane.

Their 3rd round pick was sent to Philadelphia to rent Justin Braun who retired after this season.

The Rangers have the Avs 3rd round pick from the Alexandar Georgiev trade.

Their 4th round pick was sent to Vancouver to rent Tyler Motte.

Their 5th round pick was sent to Winnipeg to rent Andrew Copp.

The Rangers have their 6th and Winnipeg's 6th from the Copp trade.

Their 7th round pick was sent to Ottawa to bring back Motte.

Drury owes the Blues a 3rd in 2024 from the Tarasenko deal.

Drury owes the Coyotes a 3rd in 2025 for 25% of Kane's contract. Drury needs to stop making trades with Bill Armstrong.

Drury owes the Hawks a 4th in 2025 from the Kane deal.

Drury traded a 3rd to Vegas for Ryan Reaves and gives him a one year extension. 16 months later Drury trades Reaves for a 5th.

The only good trade by Drury was the Nils Lundkvist trade to Dallas for a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick which can become a 3rd round pick. Of course, that first round pick was burning a hole in Drury's pocket so he had to trade it for more rentals.

I hope Drury hires Peter Laviolette who is more than the same shit and both of them are fired in two years time.
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Drury has emptied the cupboard doubling down on a team that was never good enough 5v5 and didn’t develop its youth, all because he was trying to win while he had an elite goalie. He needs to change gears fast.
 
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GENESISPuck94 said:
Best kept secret in the NHL? In 200+ games, 6 seasons combined, this guy has 26 total career goals. He turns 27 next month.

People Lafreniere is a bust, but that Blais is the "best kept secret in the NHL?" What drugs are people taking.
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Crack or alcohol

Both make someone pretty dumb.
 
I Eat Crow said:
He just sucked here. I don't buy the injury excuse.
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Dude had the worst ligament tear in sports, had the knuckleheads saying "HaLf A YEAR rEcOVeRy", adding to the NYR short term success mental illness.
It was just a mess, that maybe never should have even been considered, by just somehow fitting Buch under the cap.
 
Synergy27 said:
I really hope that the org has Jones in their plans this year. If not, I hope they have a concrete plan to move him for picks or a similar forward prospect and still find a way to put a player of his type next to Trouba.

A new, structured system, K’Andre playing 27 minutes a night on a pair with Fox, a solid puck mover next to Trouba, and Lindgren settling down Schneider on the third pair can make a ton of difference in this team’s transition game.
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Forwards rotating back into the D zone to open lanes for skating and puck movement will make a significant difference in the transition game.

Our dumbfuk forwards failed in that regards, IMHO.
 
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mas0764 said:
This is really the conversation ender when you get homers telling you it’s not the team’s fault.

No, it is. We are doing something wrong.
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I think this is a 'little column a, little column b' moment.

It's not as though we didn't give Blais more than a shot with top 6 players. The lack of a system probably didn't help. Maybe Blais is a player who needs a plan in mind to be effective.
 
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haohmaru said:
7 playoff games, 6 points, 2nd among forwards for a 2nd rounder.

He wasn’t the problem.
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This is the proven 99% of the time to be failed win now approach.
NO
you don't deal high picks for vets
esp if damaged goods
6-7th rounders that can upgrade ONLY if we win the Cup, period, no incremental PO success, cup only, okay.
Otherwise no

We could use, arguably need that 2nd

Exceptions notwithstanding, rule = you use picks for young foundation pieces only

Like Dallas w/Nils L.

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There is not enuf thinking outside the box and we get what we are getting, reaping what we sow.
I preferred to keep Nils, sell high on Lindgren, and flip Fox for briefly to LD, then return him to RD when we moved Trouba
 
NYRFANMANI said:
Dude had the worst ligament tear in sports, had the knuckleheads saying "HaLf A YEAR rEcOVeRy", adding to the NYR short term success mental illness.
It was just a mess, that maybe never should have even been considered, by just somehow fitting Buch under the cap.
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There are worse ligament tears. ACL is no big deal anymore.

He shot 0% as a ranger, shot 1728292920% as a blue and then performed in a tournament where lesser players have put up big numbers before. He isn’t going to keep up with the pace he had last year or at the worlds, but he’s definitely better than what he showed here.
 
RangerBoy said:
What is Chris Drury's worst move as Rangers GM?

The Pavel Buchnevich trade or the Patrick Nemeth debacle.

Drury signed Nemeth to a 3 year contract worth $7.5M. One year later, Drury sent two 2nd round picks to Arizona for them to assume Nemeth's contract.

Drury doesn’t take enough heat for his moves.

The Rangers have four draft picks in this draft. Maybe Drury can pick up a late round pick for Jayden Grubbe's rights. Thursday is June 1.

The Rangers traded their 2nd round pick in the Patrick Kane.

Their 3rd round pick was sent to Philadelphia to rent Justin Braun who retired after this season.

The Rangers have the Avs 3rd round pick from the Alexandar Georgiev trade.

Their 4th round pick was sent to Vancouver to rent Tyler Motte.

Their 5th round pick was sent to Winnipeg to rent Andrew Copp.

The Rangers have their 6th and Winnipeg's 6th from the Copp trade.

Their 7th round pick was sent to Ottawa to bring back Motte.

Drury owes the Blues a 3rd in 2024 from the Tarasenko deal.

Drury owes the Coyotes a 3rd in 2025 for 25% of Kane's contract. Drury needs to stop making trades with Bill Armstrong.

Drury owes the Hawks a 4th in 2025 from the Kane deal.

Drury traded a 3rd to Vegas for Ryan Reaves and gives him a one year extension. 16 months later Drury trades Reaves for a 5th.

The only good trade by Drury was the Nils Lundkvist trade to Dallas for a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick which can become a 3rd round pick. Of course, that first round pick was burning a hole in Drury's pocket so he had to trade it for more rentals.

I hope Drury hires Peter Laviolette who is more than the same shit and both of them are fired in two years time.
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Really? I thought Tank + Mikko was a nice piece of business. And all the lower round picks at last season's deadlines were more than worth it for a trip to the ECF.
 
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haohmaru said:
Blais had 20 points in 31 games for the Blues averaging 14+ ATOI.

He's not a fourth liner. He just played like one here.
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He has 26 career goals in over 200 games. He had a good little run with the Blues to finish this season. Aren't we against small sample sizes?
 
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