Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[MrAlmost]

This thread and in general social media/online Rangers chatter are essentially turning into Lord of The Flies minus the violence.

It's mostly fan fiction or the quintessential New York "We shall see" catchphrase that keeps coming back to the same 4-5 points.

-Lindgren or Miller are not getting traded
-Cullye/Othmann/Edstrom push for roster spots.
-Goodrow is gone and a replacement is needed
-Jones either is given a chance or traded
-Fast is not coming back (taxes will lower his net, he was slighted by the prior regime, and he's not a big city guy).


-Many of us are awaiting for Mark Ciaccao to be relieved and the more it remains quiet, the less likely it happens.

I wouldn't even be mad if they just injected the younger players into the lineup and got a new coach with a more aggressive game plan. Get some youthful legs with fire in their belly like Cuylle and Othmann. Get a skater and puck mover on their like Jones. See what happens. I don't think these guys can't do it. They were 2 games away from the Cup Final with a similar roster.

Very much yes to the bolded.

 

[Synergy27]

I really hope that the org has Jones in their plans this year. If not, I hope they have a concrete plan to move him for picks or a similar forward prospect and still find a way to put a player of his type next to Trouba.

A new, structured system, K’Andre playing 27 minutes a night on a pair with Fox, a solid puck mover next to Trouba, and Lindgren settling down Schneider on the third pair can make a ton of difference in this team’s transition game.

 

[Fitzy]

I wouldn't even be mad if they just injected the younger players into the lineup and got a new coach with a more aggressive game plan. Get some youthful legs with fire in their belly like Cuylle and Othmann. Get a skater and puck mover on their like Jones. See what happens. I don't think these guys can't do it. They were 2 games away from the Cup Final with a similar roster.

Very much yes to the bolded.

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With the exception of not trading Goodrow, this is where I'm at.

Folks here are going to spend all offseason trying to craft the perfect team again, meanwhile a group with Marc Staal in the top 4 is going to win the cup.

Just make the dance. Stop leaking assets to try to make the most beautiful NHL 23 roster.

 

[McRanger92]

Mollie walker with an asinine article that was almost willing Miller to leave so they can prioritize Lindgren’s next contract. Great idea. “Lindgren is the heartbeat of the team” no disrespect to Lindy, but the heartbeat of this team is irregular at at best if they can’t be bothered to show up to a Game 7.

 

[NYR Viper]

Does Drury think a new coach can adjust the way Lafreniere, Chytil, Kaako, Kreider and Zibanejad play? If yes, the team isn’t that far off. Panarin is what he is. It’s probably a better plan, at least at this point, to augment the rest of the roster properly and find a way to fit him in.

High energy puck hounds up front.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kaako
Lafreniere-Trochek-_______
Panarin-Chytil-________
_______-________-Vesey

What does a guy like Nick Foligno want? He’s a hard nosed power forward. Probably looking at a 1 year deal for less money. 1 year at $1.75m

Sign Acciari for 4C. 3 years at $1.4m

Sign Leivo as a depth forward (13th). 2 years at $800k

Sign Motte as the 4LW. 3 years at $1.1m

Sign Kane and LTIR him. 3 years at $3.75m.

Trade Jones for Garland with $1m retained.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kaako
Lafreniere-Trochek-Foligno
Panarin-Chytil-Garland
Motte-Acciari-Vesey
Leivo

Kane - LTIR

On defense, I know this won’t be popular, but I re-sign Mikkola. 3 years at $1.5m. I think he gives Drury flexibility going in to next offseason should he want to trade Lindgren. They aren’t the same player, but it provides LD NHL depth at a low cost.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I’m not totally opposed to resigning Kane. A lot depends on what type of injury the team knows about and what can be done about it.

I’ll say that by adding Kane, I’m not in total love with the top-9 in general though. Unless a couple of guys change the way they play, it’s not enough puck hounds.

Kane doesn't belong in our top 6 and isn't a fit in the bottom 6 imo, if we're adding him we're throwing a middle finger to the kids, its time to trust them and give them the ice.

 

[RangerBoy]

What is Chris Drury's worst move as Rangers GM?

The Pavel Buchnevich trade or the Patrick Nemeth debacle.

Drury signed Nemeth to a 3 year contract worth $7.5M. One year later, Drury sent two 2nd round picks to Arizona for them to assume Nemeth's contract.

Drury doesn’t take enough heat for his moves.

The Rangers have four draft picks in this draft. Maybe Drury can pick up a late round pick for Jayden Grubbe's rights. Thursday is June 1.

The Rangers traded their 2nd round pick in the Patrick Kane.

Their 3rd round pick was sent to Philadelphia to rent Justin Braun who retired after this season.

The Rangers have the Avs 3rd round pick from the Alexandar Georgiev trade.

Their 4th round pick was sent to Vancouver to rent Tyler Motte.

Their 5th round pick was sent to Winnipeg to rent Andrew Copp.

The Rangers have their 6th and Winnipeg's 6th from the Copp trade.

Their 7th round pick was sent to Ottawa to bring back Motte.

Drury owes the Blues a 3rd in 2024 from the Tarasenko deal.

Drury owes the Coyotes a 3rd in 2025 for 25% of Kane's contract. Drury needs to stop making trades with Bill Armstrong.

Drury owes the Hawks a 4th in 2025 from the Kane deal.

Drury traded a 3rd to Vegas for Ryan Reaves and gives him a one year extension. 16 months later Drury trades Reaves for a 5th.

The only good trade by Drury was the Nils Lundkvist trade to Dallas for a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick which can become a 3rd round pick. Of course, that first round pick was burning a hole in Drury's pocket so he had to trade it for more rentals.

I hope Drury hires Peter Laviolette who is more than the same shit and both of them are fired in two years time.

 

[RangerBoy]

Kane doesn't belong in our top 6 and isn't a fit in the bottom 6 imo, if we're adding him we're throwing a middle finger to the kids, its time to trust them and give them the ice.

I hate the guy. He knew he was hurt and they(him and his agent Pat Brisson) pushed for the trade with the Rangers. Three draft picks and the Rangers remaining cap space for a player with a bad hip. Kane still hasn’t the hip surgery. The hip has bothered him for a few seasons and refuses to take care of the issue. Good luck to the next team dealing with Kane.

 

[DanielBrassard]

What is Chris Drury's worst move as Rangers GM?

The Pavel Buchnevich trade or the Patrick Nemeth debacle.

Drury signed Nemeth to a 3 year contract worth $7.5M. One year later, Drury sent two 2nd round picks to Arizona for them to assume Nemeth's contract.

Drury doesn’t take enough heat for his moves.

The Rangers have four draft picks in this draft. Maybe Drury can pick up a late round pick for Jayden Grubbe's rights. Thursday is June 1.

The Rangers traded their 2nd round pick in the Patrick Kane.

Their 3rd round pick was sent to Philadelphia to rent Justin Braun who retired after this season.

The Rangers have the Avs 3rd round pick from the Alexandar Georgiev trade.

Their 4th round pick was sent to Vancouver to rent Tyler Motte.

Their 5th round pick was sent to Winnipeg to rent Andrew Copp.

The Rangers have their 6th and Winnipeg's 6th from the Copp trade.

Their 7th round pick was sent to Ottawa to bring back Motte.

Drury owes the Blues a 3rd in 2024 from the Tarasenko deal.

Drury owes the Coyotes a 3rd in 2025 for 25% of Kane's contract. Drury needs to stop making trades with Bill Armstrong.

Drury owes the Hawks a 4th in 2025 from the Kane deal.

Drury traded a 3rd to Vegas for Ryan Reaves and gives him a one year extension. 16 months later Drury trades Reaves for a 5th.

The only good trade by Drury was the Nils Lundkvist trade to Dallas for a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick which can become a 3rd round pick. Of course, that first round pick was burning a hole in Drury's pocket so he had to trade it for more rentals.

I hope Drury hires Peter Laviolette who is more than the same shit and both of them are fired in two years time.

Buch trade was worse, not only because he was our best or 2nd best forward at the time, but the amount of assets the Rangers traded over the past two deadlines to replace him was vast.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

What is Chris Drury's worst move as Rangers GM?

The Pavel Buchnevich trade or the Patrick Nemeth debacle.

Drury signed Nemeth to a 3 year contract worth $7.5M. One year later, Drury sent two 2nd round picks to Arizona for them to assume Nemeth's contract.

Drury doesn’t take enough heat for his moves.

The Rangers have four draft picks in this draft. Maybe Drury can pick up a late round pick for Jayden Grubbe's rights. Thursday is June 1.

The Rangers traded their 2nd round pick in the Patrick Kane.

Their 3rd round pick was sent to Philadelphia to rent Justin Braun who retired after this season.

The Rangers have the Avs 3rd round pick from the Alexandar Georgiev trade.

Their 4th round pick was sent to Vancouver to rent Tyler Motte.

Their 5th round pick was sent to Winnipeg to rent Andrew Copp.

The Rangers have their 6th and Winnipeg's 6th from the Copp trade.

Their 7th round pick was sent to Ottawa to bring back Motte.

Drury owes the Blues a 3rd in 2024 from the Tarasenko deal.

Drury owes the Coyotes a 3rd in 2025 for 25% of Kane's contract. Drury needs to stop making trades with Bill Armstrong.

Drury owes the Hawks a 4th in 2025 from the Kane deal.

Drury traded a 3rd to Vegas for Ryan Reaves and gives him a one year extension. 16 months later Drury trades Reaves for a 5th.

The only good trade by Drury was the Nils Lundkvist trade to Dallas for a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick which can become a 3rd round pick. Of course, that first round pick was burning a hole in Drury's pocket so he had to trade it for more rentals.

I hope Drury hires Peter Laviolette who is more than the same shit and both of them are fired in two years time.

I still think Drury recoups some picks in this draft. Goodrow and Jones as possibilities.

Mollie walker with an asinine article that was almost willing Miller to leave so they can prioritize Lindgren’s next contract. Great idea. “Lindgren is the heartbeat of the team” no disrespect to Lindy, but the heartbeat of this team is irregular at at best if they can’t be bothered to show up to a Game 7.

Mollie is pretty good but she will occasionally (like Larry) try to grab attention with the outrageous.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I wouldn't even be mad if they just injected the younger players into the lineup and got a new coach with a more aggressive game plan. Get some youthful legs with fire in their belly like Cuylle and Othmann. Get a skater and puck mover on their like Jones. See what happens. I don't think these guys can't do it. They were 2 games away from the Cup Final with a similar roster.

Very much yes to the bolded.

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If Jake is on the opening night roster and "given a chance" that's a bad sign. He's an AHLer.

The fourth line center replacement for Goordrow should be Blueger, or one of the Dereks (Ryan, Grant, Stepan, or Bras......if he can still play). Ryan is the guy I'd go for. Rodriguez is out there too, probably too rich.

I'm fine with your lineup except take out Brodz/Goodrow and in comes a Derek, and Matt Nieto. I'd leave the forwards at 12 to save cap unless Edstrom shows he's ready.

 

[duhmetreE]

I wouldn't even be mad if they just injected the younger players into the lineup and got a new coach with a more aggressive game plan. Get some youthful legs with fire in their belly like Cuylle and Othmann. Get a skater and puck mover on their like Jones. See what happens. I don't think these guys can't do it. They were 2 games away from the Cup Final with a similar roster.

Very much yes to the bolded.

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Turn Goodrow into Engvall, then swap him with Vesey and we're cooking with gas.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Fate of Rangers defense lies with K’Andre Miller contract decision

K’Andre Miller’s status as a restricted free agent has provoked an uncertainty on the back end the Rangers haven’t had to worry about since the 2018 first-round pick made his NHL debut in 2020.…

nypost.com

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Fate of Rangers defense lies with K’Andre Miller contract decision

K’Andre Miller’s status as a restricted free agent has provoked an uncertainty on the back end the Rangers haven’t had to worry about since the 2018 first-round pick made his NHL debut in 2020.…

nypost.com

So (expletive) overdramatic.

He's gonna get a two year bridge or the McD 7 x 4.5 deal. It's that simple.

In two years the cap will be up and the extra cap room will come from Trouba/Kredier/Panarin or probably on of Kaako/Laf not gelling with Laviollete.

The trickle down of this article is now half the online fan base is gonna freak out and my group text is going to be lit up like a Christmas tree with the same dog chases it's own tail and ends up in the same spot.

I mostly like Mollie, but if she's going to write dribble like this, she should go back to posting IG pics with the Borges/Kaplan/Hirsch clique and their fabulous Gen Z NYC life.

 

[MrAlmost]

If Jake is on the opening night roster and "given a chance" that's a bad sign. He's an AHLer.

The fourth line center replacement for Goordrow should be Blueger, or one of the Dereks (Ryan, Grant, Stepan, or Bras......if he can still play). Ryan is the guy I'd go for. Rodriguez is out there too, probably too rich.

I'm fine with your lineup except take out Brodz/Goodrow and in comes a Derek, and Matt Nieto. I'd leave the forwards at 12 to save cap unless Edstrom shows he's ready.

Turn Goodrow into Engvall, then swap him with Vesey and we're cooking with gas.

None of the Dereks make a difference. That is just money spent that Brod can do. Nieto I'm not sold on being worth the extra money, but maybe. Lesh is still very young and I wouldn't count him out yet. People here said Howden was the worst player ever and would never get better. Now he plays important time for a team much better than us and doesn't hurt them. Engvall is just trading 1 30ish point bottom six guy at 3 million for a younger 30ish point guy at 3 million. Is it better cause he's 26?

The team is better with Vesey playing meaningful time. His obvious chemistry with Kreider and Trocheck was only ruined by the fact that Kreider and Z were clearly allowed to complain that they weren't together.

In my mind it is still Kreider-Tro-Vesey and the rest of the lines are built around that. This line is your matchup horse, and they will not only do well, but create fits.

Fate of Rangers defense lies with K’Andre Miller contract decision

K’Andre Miller’s status as a restricted free agent has provoked an uncertainty on the back end the Rangers haven’t had to worry about since the 2018 first-round pick made his NHL debut in 2020.…

nypost.com

You resign Miller at all costs. And you extend Lindgren next year for 4 years too. This is stupid. f*** this article.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

None of the Dereks make a difference. That is just money spent that Brod can do. Nieto I'm not sold on being worth the extra money, but maybe. Lesh is still very young and I wouldn't count him out yet. People here said Howden was the worst player ever and would never get better. Now he plays important time for a team much better than us and doesn't hurt them. Engvall is just trading 1 30ish point bottom six guy at 3 million for a younger 30ish point guy at 3 million. Is it better cause he's 26?

The team is better with Vesey playing meaningful time. His obvious chemistry with Kreider and Trocheck was only ruined by the fact that Kreider and Z were clearly allowed to complain that they weren't together.

In my mind it is still Kreider-Tro-Vesey and the rest of the lines are built around that. This line is your matchup horse, and they will not only do well, but create fits.



You resign Miller at all costs. And you extend Lindgren next year for 4 years too. This is stupid. f*** this article.

Howden did more in his first 20 games as a Ranger before the leg injury than Jake did in his entire time here. Derek Ryan is a professional and competent fourth line player. Jake was invisible. He literally did nothing in his stint with the big club. Vegas fans said the same thing. He breaths. He exists in the same space-time continuum as us. He won a face off every four games. He's played 76 games and has six points. 0 last year with two teams. That's not an NHL player.

There's giving a kid a benefit of the doubt and then shooting yourself in the foot to start the season. Jake penciled in as a 4C who isn't physical, doesn't fight, and isn't a great PKer or faceoff guy, or have good advanced stats....you may as well just go 11F/7D or role with a 4th line of three wingers (Edstrom) and rotate a C.

Johnny Brodz is a fill in guy. He was on pace for about 10 points last season if he played all 82. That's not going to do it. The Dereks do it better. Even Stepan who is a lot like Fox (his mind and IQ compensate for speed) who has lost three steps still had more points than Brodz would've.

 

[MrAlmost]

Howden did more in his first 20 games as a Ranger before the leg injury than Jake did in his entire time here. Derek Ryan is a professional and competent fourth line player. Jake was invisible. He literally did nothing in his stint with the big club. Vegas fans said the same thing. He breaths. He exists in the same space-time continuum as us. He won a face off every four games. He's played 76 games and has six points. 0 last year with two teams. That's not an NHL player.

There's giving a kid a benefit of the doubt and then shooting yourself in the foot to start the season. Jake penciled in as a 4C who isn't physical, doesn't fight, and isn't a great PKer or faceoff guy, or have good advanced stats....you may as well just go 11F/7D or role with a 4th line of three wingers (Edstrom) and rotate a C.

Johnny Brodz is a fill in guy. He was on pace for about 10 points last season if he played all 82. That's not going to do it. The Dereks do it better. Even Stepan who is a lot like Fox (his mind and IQ compensate for speed) who has lost three steps still had more points than Brodz would've.

Lesh just turned 24. I don't think he will be good. But he had a good run in the AHL, is cheap, and the team knows him. Players can improve and we will see. The Dereks are all like 34+ years old. Youre spending cap on players that won't be here past a year and ability could hugely diminish from 1 year to the next. And maybe your next argument is fourth liners are mercenaries anyways. Well I would say continuity is valuable and if we are going to spend money, why spend it on the older players when better players, Acciari, Nosek, Rod, etc. Can be had for similar money and more years. There is a better way to spend the money.

Having said this I can guarantee it will bite me in the ass and we sign Stepan July 1st.

 

[RangerBoy]

Samuel Blais with two goals so far. Canada leads 3-2 in the world championship final against Germany. Exceptional tournament for Blais.

This is the same guy who played for the Rangers?

 

[Kravtsov420]

This is the same guy who played for the Rangers?

Hockey goes to die here. Hockey is different here.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Buch trade was worse, not only because he was our best or 2nd best forward at the time, but the amount of assets the Rangers traded over the past two deadlines to replace him was vast.

Buchnevich for Blais & a 2nd

*Blais scores 0 goals & 9pts as a Ranger. Buchnevich 56 goals & 143pts as a Blue. Buchnevich scored 8 more goals as a Blue than Blais had shots as a Ranger*

Blais, Skinner, 1st & 4th for rental Tarasenko & Mikkola

*Blais scores more than Tarasenko for remainder of the season*

 

[bernmeister]

What is Chris Drury's worst move as Rangers GM?

The Pavel Buchnevich trade or the Patrick Nemeth debacle.

Drury signed Nemeth to a 3 year contract worth $7.5M. One year later, Drury sent two 2nd round picks to Arizona for them to assume Nemeth's contract.

Drury doesn’t take enough heat for his moves.

The Rangers have four draft picks in this draft. Maybe Drury can pick up a late round pick for Jayden Grubbe's rights. Thursday is June 1.

The Rangers traded their 2nd round pick in the Patrick Kane.

Their 3rd round pick was sent to Philadelphia to rent Justin Braun who retired after this season.

The Rangers have the Avs 3rd round pick from the Alexandar Georgiev trade.

Their 4th round pick was sent to Vancouver to rent Tyler Motte.

Their 5th round pick was sent to Winnipeg to rent Andrew Copp.

The Rangers have their 6th and Winnipeg's 6th from the Copp trade.

Their 7th round pick was sent to Ottawa to bring back Motte.

Drury owes the Blues a 3rd in 2024 from the Tarasenko deal.

Drury owes the Coyotes a 3rd in 2025 for 25% of Kane's contract. Drury needs to stop making trades with Bill Armstrong.

Drury owes the Hawks a 4th in 2025 from the Kane deal.

Drury traded a 3rd to Vegas for Ryan Reaves and gives him a one year extension. 16 months later Drury trades Reaves for a 5th.

The only good trade by Drury was the Nils Lundkvist trade to Dallas for a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick which can become a 3rd round pick. Of course, that first round pick was burning a hole in Drury's pocket so he had to trade it for more rentals.

I hope Drury hires Peter Laviolette who is more than the same shit and both of them are fired in two years time.

This ^, except do not want Lavi for HC give me Knob-meister
Also, generously overlooked it could have been worse.
Had we gotten past this round, another 1st to Hawks!!!! Yikes!!!!

time to learn w bern, who was ahead of the curve on at least some of this

Fate of Rangers defense lies with K’Andre Miller contract decision

K’Andre Miller’s status as a restricted free agent has provoked an uncertainty on the back end the Rangers haven’t had to worry about since the 2018 first-round pick made his NHL debut in 2020.…

nypost.com

Just sorry Mollie, you are better than this, but eff no. NO NO NO NO.
KAM extend, not bridge 6.25 x 8
that is our one and only big move
be safe be smart
keep kid line intact promote to 2nd line

LaF cheap 1 yr bridge
********************************
Keep Goodrow for now, someone gets desperate due to coupla injuries same position, wrong time, then may be we move

You too Mollie
learn w/da bern

 

[Avery16]

Can’t make this shit up.

 

[CLW]

I hate the guy. He knew he was hurt and they(him and his agent Pat Brisson) pushed for the trade with the Rangers. Three draft picks and the Rangers remaining cap space for a player with a bad hip. Kane still hasn’t the hip surgery. The hip has bothered him for a few seasons and refuses to take care of the issue. Good luck to the next team dealing with Kane.

Kane proved Drury has no balls. Everything was obvious about the Kane situation but Drury fell for the brainless hivemind. It's literally his JOB not to f*ck up like that. He's the damn leader of the org.

And before anyone jumps at me I lol'd at the idea before Drury actually traded for him. I'm so fed up with all the stupid mistakes from the "leadership" group of this org.

 

[haohmaru]

Kane proved Drury has no balls. Everything was obvious about the Kane situation but Drury fell for the brainless hivemind. It's literally his JOB not to f*ck up like that. He's the damn leader of the org.

And before anyone jumps at me I lol'd at the idea before Drury actually traded for him. I'm so fed up with all the stupid mistakes from the "leadership" group of this org.

Drury gave up next to nothing for Kane. It was a no-brainer. The guy was 3rd on the team in scoring in the playoffs.

The problem wasn't Drury having no balls. The problem was the TEAM having no balls.

Can’t make this shit up.

This was the Blais the Rangers thought they were getting when they traded Buchnevich.

And, as usual, impatience bites them in the ass.

 

[bernmeister]

Drury gave up next to nothing for Kane. It was a no-brainer. The guy was 3rd on the team in scoring in the playoffs.

The problem wasn't Drury having no balls. The problem was the TEAM having no balls.



This was the Blais the Rangers thought they were getting when they traded Buchnevich.

And, as usual, impatience bites them in the ass.

Are you kidding me?
A second for damaged goods is WAY too much, and that is not counting another 1st we would be on the hook for if we got out of the first round.

HE GOT BENT OVER
BIG TIME
don't just take it
complain
be an activist consumer

better to be pissed off than pissed on