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Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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McRanger92 said:
No way the Leafs deal Matthews. I think they will make him the highest paid player in the league before they lose face by trading him.

Marner is for sure on the block, but he is kind of in the same boat as Panarin. A great producer of points but guy who has never done anything in the playoffs and is getting paid an exorbitant AAV. I dont really see a team like the Canes changing course and bringing in huge money for guys who also have never gotten over the playoff hump. They shouldve upped their offer for Tkachuk last summer if the rumors of them coming in 2nd place to Florida are true.
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IT doesn't matter if he doesn't want to sign there. I think he ends up forcing his way out.

Maybe Marner moves as well but I don't see that as a fit for Carolina anyway. They need shooters who can finish.
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
IT doesn't matter if he doesn't want to sign there. I think he ends up forcing his way out.

Maybe Marner moves as well but I don't see that as a fit for Carolina anyway. They need shooters who can finish.
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Thats fair on Matthews, he probably will want to get out of the Toronto fishbowl and come back to the US anyway. I just don't see the Canes as a team that will aggressively go after him. They only bring in talent if they can get it for free (Burns/Pacioretty). I bet they go after Bertuzzi with the money they save letting Fast and J. Staal walk. He seems like their kind of player.
 
I Eat Crow said:
There could be something here. Carolina has forward depth up the wazoo and Toronto will be looking to move on from one of their big forwards. The return starts with Jarvis and goes from there.
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Jarvis + Drury and we eat 4.x [reducing his # to 7per] and maybe we get that maybe

Peeps did not listen to bern, now we have to bite a few bullets / accpet some cap retention, on moving bread
 
McRanger92 said:
Stuck with what though? A 100 point team that has made the playoffs with ease the last 2 seasons? It would be much worse, who are we even worried about in the Metro besides the Devils (who are being crowned prematurely like us last year imo). We have recent Vezina and Norris winners under contract in the immediate future. A month ago we all believed we had a real chance at the Cup. Now we're worried about another rebuild? It is melodrama about the state of the franchise.

As much as Panarin is a major issue, if he does manage to get his game back on track that changes everything. We just need a coach who can get the team pulling on the same rope. The ingredients are solid, but the recipe to this point has been wrong. We need tweaks, not nukes.
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I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle, which as far as I'm concerned is roster purgatory. Will they make the playoffs next year...I'd say it's likely, but this core is not good enough to win a cup. NMCs & NTCs have handcuffed their ability to change things up, while the kids look like they are going to be average players at best. Sure it's not the end of the world, but the reality is that a new coach might improve on certain things, polishing this turd of a roster won't make it shine.
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
IT doesn't matter if he doesn't want to sign there. I think he ends up forcing his way out.

Maybe Marner moves as well but I don't see that as a fit for Carolina anyway. They need shooters who can finish.
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Yeah, Carolina can deal for him, but he'll basically only be a one year rental. It's the Rangers or Arizona for Matthews, I think.

bernmeister said:
Jarvis + Drury and we eat 4.x [reducing his # to 7per] and maybe we get that maybe

Peeps did not listen to bern, now we have to bite a few bullets / accpet some cap retention, on moving bread
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For Panarin? I'd do that deal yesterday. I like Jarvis a lot.
 
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Carolina has no use for Panarin and their owners wouldn't take on that contract even if he were McDavid so I don't even know why it's being discussed.

Our best chance of moving Panarin is having the Panthers come up short in the SCF with Barkov doing nothing.
 
Boris Zubov said:
I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle, which as far as I'm concerned is roster purgatory. Will they make the playoffs next year...I'd say it's likely, but this core is not good enough to win a cup. NMCs & NTCs have handcuffed their ability to change things up, while the kids look like they are going to be average players at best. Sure it's not the end of the world, but the reality is a while a new coach might improve on certain things, polishing this turd of a roster won't make it shine.
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The Islanders are a team I see in roster purgatory. Same with the Caps and Penguins. We actually have a future. I cant and wont try to convince people here that the Kids are going to be fine, because that's a tougher sell than Middle East peace at this point, even if I believe it to be true. I'm certainly as down on the NMC boys as I've ever been, but a piece of wisdom a friend of mine gave about sports and the dynamics of winning championships has always stuck with me and its simple but effective. "Everyone is a loser, until one day they aren't." As recently as 2 months ago many of us would have said the Panthers and Knights cores could never get it done, yet here we are. Sometimes a miserable failure is the best thing for an organization with expectations. Legacies are on the line next season, and if a new coach and system don't take, we at least have the luxury of being able to move out Kreider/Trouba money and a 25 and under ready made core that many other aging playoff teams don't have. I was too young for it sadly, but I'm positive no Ranger fans truly believed they'd win the 94 Cup until Bettman handed it to Messier.

We've also been spoiled by the fact that we have rarely had first round exits over the years. When we make it, we usually make noise. It's dangerous to overcorrect after a 7 game series loss, regardless of how it went down.
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
Carolina has no use for Panarin and their owners wouldn't take on that contract even if he were McDavid so I don't even know why it's being discussed.

Our best chance of moving Panarin is having the Panthers come up short in the SCF with Barkov doing nothing.
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Panarin's contract is EXTREMELY TEAM FRIENDLY once his bonus is paid this off-season. After his bonus on 7/1 this year, he is owed $18m over 3 seasons. That's a steal for every team in the NHL.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Panarin's contract is EXTREMELY TEAM FRIENDLY once his bonus is paid this off-season. After his bonus on 7/1 this year, he is owed $18m over 3 seasons. That's a steal for every team in the NHL.
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That's an interesting wrinkle I didnt know about. Makes the contract theoretically tradeable. You still have the issue of the actual player wanting to leave and being wanted elsewhere unfortunately lol
 
McRanger92 said:
That's an interesting wrinkle I didnt know about. Makes the contract theoretically tradeable. You still have the issue of the actual player wanting to leave and being wanted elsewhere unfortunately lol
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This is what I have been harping on for more than a few weeks. There are spots that may be attractive to the player and those specific teams. I have mentioned Nashville multiple times. That's a team with a core group of players, (Josi, Forsberg, McDonough) that could propel that team to the playoffs. Nashville is in an interesting spot as they have a boatload of picks in the nest (2) drafts (12 picks in the first 3 rounds in the next 2 years) and yet could very conceivably with some small tweaks make the playoffs next season. They also have ample cap space.

Duchene and Panarin have the same term left and almost identical real $$ left on their deal. Panarin is clearly the better player and yet Duchene plays RW which is an area of need for the Rangers. He also would add a considerable amount of speed to the lineup. The difference is Duchene has an $8m cap hit while Panarin's is $11.6m. That helps with the Rangers ability to maneuver their cap hell.

Trotz had a vote in pursuing Panarin when he was with the Islanders so he knows the player. He'd fit in well with their core veteran group and the actual cash due to the players is very reasonable so for a team with an internal budget, he may be very attractive. They pursue the playoffs and the revenue that comes with it without over-extending their budget.

Tennessee is also has no state income tax. Panarin would get an immediate pay bump and move to another fantastic city in Nashville.
 
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GAGLine said:
CapFriendly is wrong. They had Reaves' 1 year extension listed as a 35+ contract as well, but I emailed them to fix it because it was showing the buyout incorrectly.

Pavelski is listed as a 35+ contract, but if you click on buyout link, the buyout works as normal, so it's just an issue with who they are listing as 35+.
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It is intentional.

We have always listed all contracts signed at 35 or older as 35+, regardless of if they are 1 year and exempt from the cap hit restrictions, or fit into the new MOU designations. This is because when the club is signing these players, the fact they are 35+ is a very significant aspect of how the contract is negotiated and structured. It is negotiated based on a very different set of rules than a standard SPC, and that is important to designate.

The buyouts that are exempt from the 35+ cap hit rules also include the following note: While this is a 35+ contract, it is exempt from the 35+ buyout rules because it is either 1). One year in length, or 2). Not front-loaded and does not have a signing bonus after the first contract year (as per the 2020 MOU). Please see the Buyout FAQ for more information
 
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It is intentional.

We have always listed all contracts signed at 35 or older as 35+, regardless of if they are 1 year and exempt from the cap hit restrictions, or fit into the new MOU designations. This is because when the club is signing these players, the fact they are 35+ is a very significant aspect of how the contract is negotiated and structured. It is negotiated based on a very different set of rules than a standard ELC, and that is important to designate.

The buyouts that are exempt from the 35+ cap hit rules also include the following note: While this is a 35+ contract, it is exempt from the 35+ buyout rules because it is either 1). One year in length, or 2). Not front-loaded and does not have a signing bonus after the first contract year (as per the 2020 MOU). Please see the Buyout FAQ for more information
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Holy shit Cap friendly has an HF Boards account!?!?!

Why am I just learning of this!?!?!
 
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CapFriendly said:
It is intentional.

We have always listed all contracts signed at 35 or older as 35+, regardless of if they are 1 year and exempt from the cap hit restrictions, or fit into the new MOU designations. This is because when the club is signing these players, the fact they are 35+ is a very significant aspect of how the contract is negotiated and structured. It is negotiated based on a very different set of rules than a standard ELC, and that is important to designate.

The buyouts that are exempt from the 35+ cap hit rules also include the following note: While this is a 35+ contract, it is exempt from the 35+ buyout rules because it is either 1). One year in length, or 2). Not front-loaded and does not have a signing bonus after the first contract year (as per the 2020 MOU). Please see the Buyout FAQ for more information
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n8 said:
where's Goodrow in your scenario? I'd like to flip him to SJS for Sturm. He'd be a baller 4th line center.

Fast is a budget "solution" but I don't think that's exactly "the move." Not sure how Quicky ignites Panarin's game.
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Goodrow is getting traded or bought out. Hes a pure salary dump
 
NYR Viper said:
This is what I have been harping on for more than a few weeks. There are spots that may be attractive to the player and those specific teams. I have mentioned Nashville multiple times. That's a team with a core group of players, (Josi, Forsberg, McDonough) that could propel that team to the playoffs. Nashville is in an interesting spot as they have a boatload of picks in the nest (2) drafts (12 picks in the first 3 rounds in the next 2 years) and yet could very conceivably with some small tweaks make the playoffs next season. They also have ample cap space.

Duchene and Panarin have the same term left and almost identical real $$ left on their deal. Panarin is clearly the better player and yet Duchene plays RW which is an area of need for the Rangers. He also would add a considerable amount of speed to the lineup. The difference is Duchene has an $8m cap hit while Panarin's is $11.6m. That helps with the Rangers ability to maneuver their cap hell.

Trotz had a vote in pursuing Panarin when he was with the Islanders so he knows the player. He'd fit in well with their core veteran group and the actual cash due to the players is very reasonable so for a team with an internal budget, he may be very attractive. They pursue the playoffs and the revenue that comes with it without over-extending their budget.

Tennessee is also has no state income tax. Panarin would get an immediate pay bump and move to another fantastic city in Nashville.
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There is only 1 place panarin would accept a trade to and thats the panthers. Dont see how we can work a deal with them that works for both teams though. Im also not ready to give up on bread either. He has 3 years left and hes still producing PPG
 
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