Four years ago on why the Rangers should stay on course and not trade for Jacob Trouba:
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where's Goodrow in your scenario? I'd like to flip him to SJS for Sturm. He'd be a baller 4th line center.
Fast is a budget "solution" but I don't think that's exactly "the move." Not sure how Quicky ignites Panarin's game.
imo no
let youth be served
keep kid line at 2nd
bread to 3rd
no adding vets promote youth
No adding $$$ on Ghost we will regret later
Accept growing pains
go w/youth Robertson, Scanlin after showcasing then dealing Jones
The prob is not Trouba per se, but that we did the same stupid bs that the Knicks did w/Mello when we got him, unecessarily trading assets when had we waited some more we could have gotten cheaper acquisition price + better terms.
Instead of 1st + Pionk to get JT early, should have done what we did w/Fox.
CAR etc wanted more but we gave less than the 1st sought.
Pionk + a 2nd was fine, and if WPG didn't like it, we could have been patient.
Then we didn't have to go high w/JT.
Granted if no cap then I don't care.
But we could have gotten him down to 7 x 6 I think
Would this trade work?
Rangers get Jack McBain (RFA)
Coyotes get Zac Jones and 2ed in 2024
McBain needs to be resigned but adds elements that Rangers can use on the roster.
Rangers get a physical checking center 23 years old that would add size skill and some grit. Physical player. Like when Rangers traded for Brian Boyle.
This leaves the Rangers able to trade or buyout Goodrow if they actually decide to do so.. Rangers need a replacement. Cant move Goodrow before you have a replacement unless you want to overpay again for a 4th line player.
Rangers get Jack McBain (RFA)
Coyotes get Zac Jones and 2ed in 2024
McBain needs to be resigned but adds elements that Rangers can use on the roster.
Rangers get a physical checking center 23 years old that would add size skill and some grit. Physical player. Like when Rangers traded for Brian Boyle.
This leaves the Rangers able to trade or buyout Goodrow if they actually decide to do so.. Rangers need a replacement. Cant move Goodrow before you have a replacement unless you want to overpay again for a 4th line player.
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I’m going to say something unpopular, I think Kane is back
Honestly I rather have him than Panarin. At least he shows up when it counts. This playoff proved that an injured Kane was much better than a soft healthy pampered Panarin.
Honestly I rather dump Panarin for anything just to bring back Tarasenko sadly that won’t happen.
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I do too actually. Cause he will be ltir and then on basically a minimum deal.
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Saying you want Kane back is unpopular. Saying Kane is back is just preparing for the inevitable
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Brooks threw cold water on the Quenneville idea again today:
Rangers not waiting on Joel Quenneville — but Penguins dysfunction raises Mike Sullivan questions
The Rangers’ coaching search being in a holding pattern isn’t related to the former Blackhawks coach, but Chris Drury may be waiting to see how the Penguins situation resolves itself.
nypost.com
As to Kane, meh, whatever. I’d prefer to not have a 35+ deal on the books to avoid rollover bonuses. They do need more scoring from the RW though, so it makes sense if he takes a cheaper deal. The gamebreaking potential is still there, and he’d probably provide better value/cost than most of the FA options out there this summer
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Just Be Nice
Brooks threw cold water on the Quenneville idea again today:
Rangers not waiting on Joel Quenneville — but Penguins dysfunction raises Mike Sullivan questions
The Rangers’ coaching search being in a holding pattern isn’t related to the former Blackhawks coach, but Chris Drury may be waiting to see how the Penguins situation resolves itself.
As to Kane, meh, whatever. I’d prefer to not have a 35+ deal on the books to avoid rollover bonuses. They do need more scoring from the RW though, so it makes sense if he takes a cheaper deal. The gamebreaking potential is still there, and he’d probably provide better value/cost than most of the FA options out there this summer
Nice, missed this. And I agree with you on Kane.
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I feel like he's gonna have surgery and come back before playoffs for us.
If that is the case, worth a shot. Personally he was better than Panarin. That is telling and scary. I would not mind Kane back on a cheap deal. Personally I want Barbashev and or Bertuzzi but Rangers dont have cap space. Rangers do need those type of players. Even if they can find diamond in the rough. AJ Greer was one for the Bruins. Maybe some AHL guy can surprise. Rangers have to change the look of the roster. One dimensional. Relying on PP. Too finesse heavy. Not many forwards play with gritty style that can skate and forcheck and go to the net. Good teams can beat you in multiple ways. Panthers can, Bruins can, Lightning can. To beat the Rangers you can either shut down the PP, play defensive style that takes away the skating of the Rangers or play physical aggressive style while crashing the net causing havoc you beat the Rangers.
the linked article opines Canes need a superstar
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there are superstars, and there are superstars, and some are drivers of play which Panarin is not.
But would bread waive for CAR, and as a cheaper option [in terms of cost of acquisition being low(er) and real cost primarily cap hit]?
If yes, we should not push for primo assets the other way and be grateful for what cap relief we could get.
Of course, the more we retain, then we should get more in assets back.
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there are superstars, and there are superstars, and some are drivers of play which Panarin is not.
But would bread waive for CAR, and as a cheaper option [in terms of cost of acquisition being low(er) and real cost primarily cap hit]?
If yes, we should not push for primo assets the other way and be grateful for what cap relief we could get.
Of course, the more we retain, then we should get more in assets back.
Why would we want to hire the guy that Tcachuk demanded to get away from. He ruins the sport for any good player and after he was fired wasn't there a report that multiple players rescinded their trade request. Not saying it needs to be a country club like with GG but doesn't have to make everyone not want to show or want to get the out of here as fast as possible. Maybe you can just hire him to coach Panarin?
Nice climate...Maybe Bread agrees,,,and good option that hasn't been discussed much. We have a relationship with the Canes. Canes are at 59 million for next season. Could workthe linked article opines Canes need a superstar
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there are superstars, and there are superstars, and some are drivers of play which Panarin is not.
But would bread waive for CAR, and as a cheaper option [in terms of cost of acquisition being low(er) and real cost primarily cap hit]?
If yes, we should not push for primo assets the other way and be grateful for what cap relief we could get.
Of course, the more we retain, then we should get more in assets back.
UAGoalieGuy
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Cap wise it looks like it's possible for next season though after next season they have some key players becoming UFAs that they need to make a call on.the linked article opines Canes need a superstar
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there are superstars, and there are superstars, and some are drivers of play which Panarin is not.
But would bread waive for CAR, and as a cheaper option [in terms of cost of acquisition being low(er) and real cost primarily cap hit]?
If yes, we should not push for primo assets the other way and be grateful for what cap relief we could get.
Of course, the more we retain, then we should get more in assets back.
Aho, Teravainen, Martinook, Skjei, Pesce.
Then some key RFAs too next summer in Jarvis and Necas.
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The other 4 guys you listed are going to walk so the Canes can pay Aho. That's how they operate. I do feel like a Panarin deal could be made there because he would fit what that team needs. I wont believe a Panarin trade is likely until he's gone though.
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Brooks threw cold water on the Quenneville idea again today:
Rangers not waiting on Joel Quenneville — but Penguins dysfunction raises Mike Sullivan questions
The Rangers’ coaching search being in a holding pattern isn’t related to the former Blackhawks coach, but Chris Drury may be waiting to see how the Penguins situation resolves itself.
As to Kane, meh, whatever. I’d prefer to not have a 35+ deal on the books to avoid rollover bonuses. They do need more scoring from the RW though, so it makes sense if he takes a cheaper deal. The gamebreaking potential is still there, and he’d probably provide better value/cost than most of the FA options out there this summer
If Sullivan becomes available he is my top target, followed by Laviolette.
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UAGoalieGuy
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Possibly a deal that includes Teravainen. He can play both wings and due to his injury history, I don't see him getting much of a raise off his current $5.4MM contract.
May be something like Teravainen (25% retained- $1.4MM), Drury, 2023 #1 and 2025 #2 for Panarin ($2MM retained)
Canes would be retaining just for 1 season as Teravainen is a UFA next summer. Rangers free up about $7.5MM and add a player that can play top 6 RW. Canes get retention on Panarin for 3 years.
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I've always wanted Sullivan, but I' starting to warm to the idea of Laviolette as well. Panarin (& Trouba) have 3 years left on their deals and asking a rookie coach to actually get through to him is a tall order when the team is built to win now. Laviolette has won a Cup and had success at every stop (early on too). Most wins by a US born coach in NHL history. He's not Gallant, he's a much better candidate. He will at the very least hold the team accountable, which is something Gallant never did and Quinn didnt have the clout to do. We can't lose sight of the fact that the team can make 0 roster chances and coast into a playoff spot in the Metro as long as they stay relatively healthy.
Side note, I was reading the Athletic power rankings and Dom L (who i am not a fan of) called Ranger fans "melodramatic" after the first round exit. He's right, and he's an expert on first round exits.
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Kane doesn't turn 35 until November and hasn't missed a significant number of games in the last 2 years, so he isn't eligible for performance bonuses, and any contract he signs this summer won't be a 35+ contract.
To be clear, non-ELC players can only get performance bonuses if they are 35 or older as of July 1st of the league year in which the contract starts, or if they have missed a certain number of games due to injury/illness, and then only on a 1 year deal. Anything longer and the bonuses aren't an option.
By definition, a 1 year deal is never a 35+ deal. To be a 35+ deal, the contract must be multiyear. In the MOU, they added the stipulation that back loaded contracts or contracts where the money stays the same every year are no longer subject to the 35+ rule. Any deals signed prior to the MOU that would be categorized as 35+ under the old rule, would still be considered a 35+ contract.
CapFriendly lists 10 players as having 35+ contracts, but their list is wrong.
All of those players signed their contracts after the MOU went into effect and only Ovechkin, Malkin, Letang and Carter are actual 35+ contracts based on the term and structure.
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I'm still skeptical that he'd actually become available based on how close he's been with Fenway Sports Group during the new GM search, and I do worry a bit that some of his bad habits as a coach would be magnified here since we can't cover them up with Crosby.
As to Laviolette, I'll be nice and say I disagree. I've posted at length multiple times in the coaching thread about why I think he'd be a horrible hire. I think it would just expedite the process of this core flaming out, Drury being fired, and having to tear it down and rebuild all over again.
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Ah, my mistake, thanks for the correction on that. As for the 35+ part, wasn't Halak's contract just a 35+ deal that was only for one year? Or is CapFriendly wrong there too?Kane doesn't turn 35 until November and hasn't missed a significant number of games in the last 2 years, so he isn't eligible for performance bonuses, and any contract he signs this summer won't be a 35+ contract.
To be clear, non-ELC players can only get performance bonuses if they are 35 or older as of July 1st of the league year in which the contract starts, or if they have missed a certain number of games due to injury/illness, and then only on a 1 year deal. Anything longer and the bonuses aren't an option.
By definition, a 1 year deal is never a 35+ deal. To be a 35+ deal, the contract must be multiyear. In the MOU, they added the stipulation that back loaded contracts or contracts where the money stays the same every year are no longer subject to the 35+ rule. Any deals signed prior to the MOU that would be categorized as 35+ under the old rule, would still be considered a 35+ contract.
CapFriendly lists 10 players as having 35+ contracts, but their list is wrong.
All of those players signed their contracts after the MOU went into effect and only Ovechkin, Malkin, Letang and Carter are actual 35+ contracts based on the term and structure.
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