Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[McRanger92]

I'm still skeptical that he'd actually become available based on how close he's been with Fenway Sports Group during the new GM search, and I do worry a bit that some of his bad habits as a coach would be magnified here since we can't cover them up with Crosby.

As to Laviolette, I'll be nice and say I disagree. I've posted at length multiple times in the coaching thread about why I think he'd be a horrible hire. I think it would just expedite the process of this core flaming out, Drury being fired, and having to tear it down and rebuild all over again.

If the core flamed out why would the team rebuild when the majority of the team would be 25 years old or younger. Fans need to stop with the nuclear rebuild option when we are still one of the younger teams in the league. They arent rebuilding with Fox signed long term and Igor in his prime. Nor should they

 

[MrAlmost]

I’m going to say something unpopular, I think Kane is back

I wouldn't be so sure. With the Hawks getting Bedard, I can see a number of players returning for them/wanting to go there. Kane being one of them. They would constantly play it up like a passing of the torch and would probably have like 20 national games.

 

[NYR Viper]

I wouldn't be so sure. With the Hawks getting Bedard, I can see a number of players returning for them/wanting to go there. Kane being one of them. They would constantly play it up like a passing of the torch and would probably have like 20 national games.

It's possible, but I think Kane is looking to play and win now. He's almost 35. Even with Bedard, it's going to be messy in Chicago for a couple of seasons.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Ok let’s game out Panarin to CAR:

Panarin 750k retained for Necas/Burns/Drury and rights to Fast. We sign Fast 2.15 x 2. We sign Halak at 1.2, 2.4 for Laf, 4.7 for Miller. 1.88 mil in cap space assuming An 84 mil cap.

Krieder Mika Kakko
Goodrow Tro Necas
Laf Chytil Fast
Vesey Drury Cuylle

Burns Fox
Miller Trouba
Lindgren Schneider

 

[LokiDog]

Ok let’s game out Panarin to CAR:

Panarin 750k retained for Necas/Burns/Drury and rights to Fast. We sign Fast 2.15 x 2. We sign Halak at 1.2, 2.4 for Laf, 4.7 for Miller. 1.88 mil in cap space assuming An 84 mil cap.

Krieder Mika Kakko
Goodrow Tro Necas
Laf Chytil Fast
Vesey Drury Cuylle

Burns Fox
Miller Trouba
Lindgren Schneider

They wouldn’t move Necas alone for Panarin at 50% IMO. Don’t expect a return like that if we manage to dump Panarin.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Kane + Q combo is absolutely in play

 

[GAGLine]

Ah, my mistake, thanks for the correction on that. As for the 35+ part, wasn't Halak's contract just a 35+ deal that was only for one year? Or is CapFriendly wrong there too?

CapFriendly is wrong. They had Reaves' 1 year extension listed as a 35+ contract as well, but I emailed them to fix it because it was showing the buyout incorrectly.

Pavelski is listed as a 35+ contract, but if you click on buyout link, the buyout works as normal, so it's just an issue with who they are listing as 35+.

 

[surlysailor]

If Sullivan becomes available he is my top target, followed by Laviolette.

I don't get the love for Lavy. He hasn't done anything in years. He's another AV, GG (maybe he yells more?) He relies on his goalies to get to the playoffs. He does not work with youth at all, relies on vets even if they're not playing well. The game is getting past him. He did nothing special with Washington, lost in the first round both times they made the playoffs under him and completely tanked the team this year. Sure he made the finals a few times but he hasn't won a cup since Carolina. On top of that only 3 NHL coaches in the history of the league has ever won the cup with 2 different teams:

• Dick Irvin ('32 Leafs, '44, '46, '53 Canadiens)
• Tommy Gorman ('34 Hawks, '35 Maroons)
• Scotty Bowman ('73 Canadiens, '76-'79 Canadiens, '92 Penguins, '97-'98 Wings, '02 Wings)

Do we really think Lavy is the guy to buck that trend?

 

[bernmeister]

Possibly a deal that includes Teravainen. He can play both wings and due to his injury history, I don't see him getting much of a raise off his current $5.4MM contract.

May be something like Teravainen (25% retained- $1.4MM), Drury, 2023 #1 and 2025 #2 for Panarin ($2MM retained)

Canes would be retaining just for 1 season as Teravainen is a UFA next summer. Rangers free up about $7.5MM and add a player that can play top 6 RW. Canes get retention on Panarin for 3 years.

I think we wind up taking less to unload him
since reaction so far seems this in some form could have legs
will look at more extensively over the w'e
but pls peeps, don't wait on me for that

 

[LOFIN]

Ok let’s game out Panarin to CAR:

Why? It's a pointless exercise. Why would Panarin waive anywhere, let alone frigging Carolina?

I can only see him waiving for Florida teams (not interested), Chicago, or LA. I guess Long Island is a possibility too.

 

[MrAlmost]

It's possible, but I think Kane is looking to play and win now. He's almost 35. Even with Bedard, it's going to be messy in Chicago for a couple of seasons.

I'm not sure he does. And if he does, Buffalo is a better option than us. More cap.

Ok let’s game out Panarin to CAR:

Panarin 750k retained for Necas/Burns/Drury and rights to Fast. We sign Fast 2.15 x 2. We sign Halak at 1.2, 2.4 for Laf, 4.7 for Miller. 1.88 mil in cap space assuming An 84 mil cap.

Krieder Mika Kakko
Goodrow Tro Necas
Laf Chytil Fast
Vesey Drury Cuylle

Burns Fox
Miller Trouba
Lindgren Schneider

There is no way you get all of that. Though, I agree they are actually a great fit and they do need some gamebreaking in their lineup. With Svech hurt they were good, cause they play tight and structured, but sometimes you need something else and Aho can't do it alone.

More realistically, if we did trade with them, which we won't, it would be Tara, likely one of the upcoming RFAs in Drury or Suzuki, and a collection of picks.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I'm not sure he does. And if he does, Buffalo is a better option than us. More cap.


There is no way you get all of that. Though, I agree they are actually a great fit and they do need some gamebreaking in their lineup. With Svech hurt they were good, cause they play tight and structured, but sometimes you need something else and Aho can't do it alone.

More realistically, if we did trade with them, which we won't, it would be Tara, likely one of the upcoming RFAs in Drury or Suzuki, and a collection of picks.

Yeah thats what I called out in an earlier post. Teravainen (25% retention), Drury, 2023 #1, 2025 #2 for Panarin with $2MM retained.

 

[cheech70]

The number 1 return for Bread is cap space...picks or players are a bonus

 

[xbure9x]

id rather keep panarin than trade him to the Canes. you just know when they inevitably meet in the playoffs he’s gonna light it up like there’s no tomorrow against the Rangers. tough spot though.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

id rather keep panarin than trade him to the Canes. you just know when they inevitably meet in the playoffs he’s gonna light it up like there’s no tomorrow against the Rangers. tough spot though.

No he wouldn't.

He's only going to get worse from here on out.

Carolina wouldn't want him anyway nor do they need him. He doesn't fit what they do and they need people who can finish. Panarin is not that.

Matthews (if he shakes loose) or Debrincat should be at the top of their list.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

If the core flamed out why would the team rebuild when the majority of the team would be 25 years old or younger. Fans need to stop with the nuclear rebuild option when we are still one of the younger teams in the league. They arent rebuilding with Fox signed long term and Igor in his prime. Nor should they

I mean it's all just f***ing moot imo.

Even if we wanted, the NMCs prohibit a full nuclear rebuild.

We're stuck and that's what's infuriating.

 

[McRanger92]

I mean it's all just f***ing moot imo.

Even if we wanted, the NMCs prohibit a full nuclear rebuild.

We're stuck and that's what's infuriating.

Stuck with what though? A 100 point team that has made the playoffs with ease the last 2 seasons? It would be much worse, who are we even worried about in the Metro besides the Devils (who are being crowned prematurely like us last year imo). We have recent Vezina and Norris winners under contract in the immediate future. A month ago we all believed we had a real chance at the Cup. Now we're worried about another rebuild? It is melodrama about the state of the franchise.

As much as Panarin is a major issue, if he does manage to get his game back on track that changes everything. We just need a coach who can get the team pulling on the same rope. The ingredients are solid, but the recipe to this point has been wrong. We need tweaks, not nukes.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Stuck with what though? A 100 point team that has made the playoffs with ease the last 2 seasons? It would be much worse, who are we even worried about in the Metro besides the Devils (who are being crowned prematurely like us last year imo). We have recent Vezina and Norris winners under contract in the immediate future. A month ago we all believed we had a real chance at the Cup. Now we're worried about another rebuild? It is melodrama about the state of the franchise.

As much as Panarin is a major issue, if he does manage to get his game back on track that changes everything. We just need a coach who can get the team pulling on the same rope. The ingredients are solid, but the recipe to this point has been wrong. We need tweaks, not nukes.

I agree, specially that a proper coach can make miracles happen, but I highly doubt the FO identifies the right guy.

My point being, we're back at square one. 100 point teams that made the POs with ease? Sounds like 2012-2018.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I agree, specially that a proper coach can make miracles happen, but I highly doubt the FO identifies the right guy.

My point being, we're back at square one. 100 point teams that made the POs with ease? Sounds like 2012-2018.

You make this sound like its a bad thing, several of the teams in that window were legit contenders and could have easily won the whole thing. We should be happy to have another run like that again.

I don't think they can really try to build a winner with out booting Panarin though short of other guys really taking off/getting scorching hot at the right time. He's going to need to be carried through the playoffs as he is no longer capable of doing things himself and is unwilling to alter his game to his current skill set. This isn't a guy who needs to buy into a system (you want to give him SOME room for improvisation anyway) but someone who is too dumb to realize that the simple play is the best play even when hes in an impossibly difficult situation.

 

[Guyute]

I think it’s likely that Landeskog’s career is over. If Nuke is also out, they may get desperate for scoring help. And yes, wishful thinking from me trying to pawn Panarin off, but who knows how he’s valued around the league. Players like him are “never available” remember.

I'd trade Panarin for Toews+, otherwise the Avs can F off.

We can't give Panarin away for nothing.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Pretty sure if Carolina "needs a superstar" they are aiming for Marner or Matthews or similar. Panarin? Talk about a pipe dream. NYR are stuck with him.

 

[duhmetreE]

I want nothing to do with Kane and nothing to do with any “strictly finesse” players.

 

[McRanger92]

I agree, specially that a proper coach can make miracles happen, but I highly doubt the FO identifies the right guy.

My point being, we're back at square one. 100 point teams that made the POs with ease? Sounds like 2012-2018.

After watching the shit the Rangers put out there post-Letter, it gave me a greater appreciation for the Lundqvist years. When the players played like a team and for each other, and we had a leader who was the hardest worker and most motivated in Hank. If a Laviolette is the best guy to break the country club, hire him.

This team also has double the talent any of Hank's teams had, but half the work ethic. That can change, because it has for other teams when they've jumped from playoff team to Cup winner.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Pretty sure if Carolina "needs a superstar" they are aiming for Marner or Matthews or similar. Panarin? Talk about a pipe dream. NYR are stuck with him.

There could be something here. Carolina has forward depth up the wazoo and Toronto will be looking to move on from one of their big forwards. The return starts with Jarvis and goes from there.

 

[McRanger92]

There could be something here. Carolina has forward depth up the wazoo and Toronto will be looking to move on from one of their big forwards. The return starts with Jarvis and goes from there.

No way the Leafs deal Matthews. I think they will make him the highest paid player in the league before they lose face by trading him.

Marner is for sure on the block, but he is kind of in the same boat as Panarin. A great producer of points but guy who has never done anything in the playoffs and is getting paid an exorbitant AAV. I dont really see a team like the Canes changing course and bringing in huge money for guys who also have never gotten over the playoff hump. They shouldve upped their offer for Tkachuk last summer if the rumors of them coming in 2nd place to Florida are true.