Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[bbny]

I've been very critical of Lafreniere and Kakko in the past. If Drury trades one of those guys as his way of shaking up the roster, under the guise that the roster just needs a little tweak and 32 year old Panarin might all of a sudden turn into a playoff performer, I will be dumbfounded. What a typical Rangers move that would be. I would sooner hope Drury makes zero changes at all, rather than committing that disastrous move.

True Life: I’ve had better luck with heroin addicts.

Are we expecting Artemi Panarin, at 32 years old (in October) and the richest and most famous he’s ever been to come to camp a different, more motivated and disciplined player next year? He is what he is. He’s well beyond changing his game for the good of the team. Maybe if he never wins, he’ll do something like that when he’s 36 and taking a 2M deal to chase a Cup, but right now? We’re stuck with exactly what we have.

Right there with you. He's not 26. There's no developing or hoping he changes or learning through experience left. He is what he is.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Lol well thanks for the feedback at least.

Re: fast and Henrique. Fast was the single linemate that's worked with Panarin since he came here, plus he adds every element so sorely needed in our top six especially. He forechecks like a madman, he wins pucks, he gets to the inside, and he's great in his own zone. You put him with Panarin who wakes up with three points, and Chytil who was our most efficient 5v5 scorer and a volume shooter and I think it'd be a great line.

Henrique does add much more than Lafreniere at this point, sorry to say. And you're still couping a mid/high first that can either refill the pipeline or be dangled for a different player.

I like Garland as an alternative to Henrique as well, just think Anaheim is much more likely to retain salary than Vancouver, plus Henrique would be gone in a year and helps take draws (and win them).

Henriques a good skater, a shooter, and a guy motivated to step in and contribute to a winner in a third line role. Lafreniere is none of those things.

Shattenkirk is just an idea. I thought he was great on Tampa in a third pair role, and with a forward group rebuilt to forecheck AND backcheck with speed and tenacity, I think that's the key to sheltering a player like him, and the big difference between Tampa and Anaheim aside from minutes.

At the end of the day, I don't mind the disagreement, I appreciate the responses!

In regards to fast, he’s in his 30’s and isn’t a 2nd line winger. That ship has sailed at this point.

I love garland though, I just don’t think Henrique is anywhere near a first round pick. ESPECIALLY in this draft.

I won’t debate the laf point because I disagree and I’m in the opposite camp as you in regards to even his current value

 

[McRanger92]

True Life: I’ve had better luck with heroin addicts.

Are we expecting Artemi Panarin, at 32 years old (in October) and the richest and most famous he’s ever been to come to camp a different, more motivated and disciplined player next year? He is what he is. He’s well beyond changing his game for the good of the team. Maybe if he never wins, he’ll do something like that when he’s 36 and taking a 2M deal to chase a Cup, but right now? We’re stuck with exactly what we have.

Hahaha well I’m 30 and I certainly hope it’s not too late for me to change some bad habits. In all seriousness I don’t think Panarin is a lost cause and the fact is we’re stuck with him so we better find a way to make it work

 

[LokiDog]

Hahaha well I’m 30 and I certainly hope it’s not too late for me to change some bad habits. In all seriousness I don’t think Panarin is a lost cause and the fact is we’re stuck with him so we better find a way to make it work

Yeah, I’m 36 and I feel you, but I also didn’t make 36M over the last 3 years playing a sport and acting like it’s cute for a grown man to pretend he doesn’t know enough English to answer a question. I have a lot more motivation to want to continue improving in life because I haven’t earned enough to retire 3 generations of my family in the past 24 months.

 

[UnSandvich]

Hahaha well I’m 30 and I certainly hope it’s not too late for me to change some bad habits. In all seriousness I don’t think Panarin is a lost cause and the fact is we’re stuck with him so we better find a way to make it work

The difference is, your bad habits aren't what's earned you tens of millions of dollars. Panarin earned his contract, and now he's getting paid. He has no reason to change his bad habits, he gets paid either way and getting better in those areas would require effort he doesn't have to expend

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

Will be “interesting” to see where Blais goes from here as well

blais stays in st louis. that team knows how to get the most optimal production out of him.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I think if you want to get the most out of Panarin at this point in his career it's basically a necessity to have a grinder/forechecker on his opposite wing. whether it's Fast/Vesey/Garland that's going to be more successful than having another talented but perimeter player like Kane or Tarasenko or whoever.

 

[bl02]

I think if you want to get the most out of Panarin at this point in his career it's basically a necessity to have a grinder/forechecker on his opposite wing. whether it's Fast/Vesey/Garland that's going to be more successful than having another talented but perimeter player like Kane or Tarasenko or whoever.

Watching Fast play he would be one to go in and do some of the dirty work that Panarin can't/won't do while also playing pretty responsible hockey. Only worry I have is that he will be 32 and how many miles he has on his body playing the style he plays.

 

[McRanger92]

Watching Fast play he would be one to go in and do some of the dirty work that Panarin can't/won't do while also playing pretty responsible hockey. Only worry I have is that he will be 32 and how many miles he has on his body playing the style he plays.

32 year old palat just clowned us for the 10th year in a row and Fast would be making about half his salary. I’m not too worried about age

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

100% this. Fire them all. Even in his first season with Vegas Howden immediately and noticeably improved and looked physically stronger, played more direct and understood his assignment.

that last part is key. Half the time our young forwards look lost.

 

[Barnaby]

I stick kk with Mika next year and Laf with Vinnie and tell both its time to take the next step..and if during the season it doesn't happen,start fielding offers for them

Tell them to take the next step. If only we had you on the coaching staff!

Lafreniere will put up 35-40 with Trocheck and people will still lament that he’s not getting enough opportunity which is holding them back. Kakko would probably do well next to Zib though so long as he’s the 3rd wheel. I haven’t seen enough to be confident he can be more.

 

[SeanAveryTheGreatOne]

Is the LTIR rule that Tampa Bay abused to circumvent the cap in the playoffs still in effect? If so, I'd tell Panarin and Trouba to stay on the IR list.

 

[Barnaby]

He had a horrible round against Jersey. I had high hopes for him skating the puck up ice and instead he just got caved in. How much of that is on Trouba? Probably a lot. Miller did not improve this year at all. I don't understand where the hostility comes from? Are we only allowed to say Panarin sucks? Because we already established that.

If we want a Trouba replacement, just go sign Radko Gudas. Same caveman hockey and makes only 2.5 million this year. Trouba is basically replacement level now.

Actual, Gudas might be looking better in Florida right about now.

Any problem with a guy the Rangers drafted who is under 25 is that the player isn’t being force fed more minutes and responsibility. See Lafreniere, Kakko as well.

As per way too many Ranger fans.

 

[Tob]

Gallant firing today or I delete my account

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I would probably look move Fox, so many times he looks bad and slow on defense. If we can get a monster return for him I would move him. This goal is all on Fox:

 

[rangersfansince08]

I would probably look move Fox, so many times he looks bad and slow on defense. If we can get a monster return for him I would move him. This goal is all on Fox:

Are you trolling?

 

[LannyMcdonald]

Playing in cap friendly, if you could snag a early/mid first for Lafreniere and Schneider each, you'd have a lot of capital to really overhaul the roster with.

One first could go to Anaheim for Henrique with some retention. Bring back fast and shattenkirk on 2ish mil deals for 2 or 3 years. Trade goodrow. Sign leivo to a min deal.

You're left with a forward corps that much faster and more tenacious, with a d-corps that can move the puck and defend decently, with Chytil and Kakko secured in top six roles and ample space for PP time (with some PP2 options on the blueline that don't completely suck. Something like:

Kreider-zibanejad-kakko
Panarin-chytil-fast
Henrique-trochek-vesey
Motte-brodzinski-leivo

Miller-fox
Lindgren-trouba
Jones-shattenkirk

Plus you've still got two firsts in this years draft.

Shattenkirk and Fast? With that lineup, we could win the 2018 cup

 

[RangerBoy]

Vince said the Rangers got caught star gazing. Too much of the same thing. Too redundant. No diversity. Big splashes.



Who could have seen the Rangers had too much of the same thing?

Vince is too obsessed with the Devils loss. Don't overreact. I remember the Rangers shipped out Zubov after a bad playoff series against the bigger Flyers in 1995.

Florida isn't a speed team. Their best players aren't speed demons.



This is how you win in the playoffs. Tkachuk and Bennett are taking prisoners. Bigger bodies. Aggressive play.



Gallant said he wanted more forecheck. Drury gave him Tai Babilonia and Randy Gardner and then Drury is fighting with Gallant after game 4. This team is too mich.

 

[RangerBoy]

Gallant firing today or I delete my account

The Rangers want to change the coach but they don't want a lateral move. The guy they want should never coach another game in the NHL. Joel has plenty of money. Go play the horses. It's ridiculous. I was reading the Hawks stuff with the video coach this morning as a refresh. Seriously. What are we discussing here? The Rangers have NO morals if they hire him.

 

[Tob]

The Rangers want to change the coach but they don't want a lateral move. The guy they want should never coach another game in the NHL. Joel has plenty of money. Go play the horses. It's ridiculous. I was reading the Hawks stuff with the video coach this morning as a refresh. Seriously. What are we discussing here? The Rangers have morals if they hire him.

I'm not a big fan the term "lateral" when it comes to a new coach. I know it was a direct quote from one of the guys reporting on it in the article from yesterday but a coach that's beginning to fray for a new coach with a fresh perspective and approach isn't like trading in a Honda for a Subaru or BMW. Freshly hired Gallant and entering year 3 Gallant are clearly two difference entities. It's not just the brand name of a coach.

This board was right when it came time to move on from Torts and his caveman hockey that Sather flip flopped before firing. This board was woefully correct about AV's expiry date heading into his final season. The level of noise was pretty loud after Quinn's sweep against play-in Carolina. Some of it is the benefit of hindsight but generally GM changes and coaching changes in the league come too late even if fans are apes when it comes to calling for the heads of coaches and GMs.

Gallant's short shelf life is now repeating for a 3rd time and it's no coincidence. The headbutting with FLA owners, VGK management, and now the heated exchange with Drury that got leaked purposefully. If I were a betting man, I'd say next season won't be pretty if we bring back Gallant on the hot seat immediately. The past shelf life season of a coach is some of the most dreadful for an organization.

 

[Leonardo87]

Gallant firing today or I delete my account

 

[McRanger92]

I'm not a big fan the term "lateral" when it comes to a new coach. I know it was a direct quote from one of the guys reporting on it in the article from yesterday but a coach that's beginning to fray for a new coach with a fresh perspective and approach isn't like trading in a Honda for a Subaru or BMW. Freshly hired Gallant and entering year 3 Gallant are clearly two difference entities. It's not just the brand name of a coach.

This board was right when it came time to move on from Torts and his caveman hockey that Sather flip flopped before firing. This board was woefully correct about AV's expiry date heading into his final season. The level of noise was pretty loud after Quinn's sweep against play-in Carolina. Some of it is the benefit of hindsight but generally GM changes and coaching changes in the league come too late even if fans are apes when it comes to calling for the heads of coaches and GMs.

Gallant's short shelf life is now repeating for a 3rd time and it's no coincidence. The headbutting with FLA owners, VGK management, and now the heated exchange with Drury that got leaked purposefully. If I were a betting man, I'd say next season won't be pretty if we bring back Gallant on the hot seat immediately. The past shelf life season of a coach is some of the most dreadful for an organization.

Fire Gallant now and hire Knoblauch who is Drury's handpicked guy. The coaching change should be enough to wake up the NMC Bozos, and we can finally have a unified message from the Coach & GM. Give Knobhead a veteran HC as an assistant and keep Murphy for the defense or poach Girardi from Buffalo. Commit to the youth in bigger roles, and less ice-time for the veterans will probably be beneficial considering they all looked gassed against jersey.

 

[CLW]

Fire Gallant now and hire Knoblauch who is Drury's handpicked guy. The coaching change should be enough to wake up the NMC Bozos, and we can finally have a unified message from the Coach & GM. Give Knobhead a veteran HC as an assistant and keep Murphy for the defense or poach Girardi from Buffalo. Commit to the youth in bigger roles, and less ice-time for the veterans will probably be beneficial considering they all looked gassed against jersey.

Wasn't Quinn Drury's handpicked guy too? What's going on here?

 

[McRanger92]

Wasn't Quinn Drury's handpicked guy too? What's going on here?

Jeff Gorton hired Quinn.

 

[CLW]

Jeff Gorton hired Quinn.

I KNOW obviously. But Drury lobbied for him from what I've read.