Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[TheDirtyH]

Playing in cap friendly, if you could snag a early/mid first for Lafreniere and Schneider each, you'd have a lot of capital to really overhaul the roster with.

One first could go to Anaheim for Henrique with some retention. Bring back fast and shattenkirk on 2ish mil deals for 2 or 3 years. Trade goodrow. Sign leivo to a min deal.

You're left with a forward corps that much faster and more tenacious, with a d-corps that can move the puck and defend decently, with Chytil and Kakko secured in top six roles and ample space for PP time (with some PP2 options on the blueline that don't completely suck. Something like:

Kreider-zibanejad-kakko
Panarin-chytil-fast
Henrique-trochek-vesey
Motte-brodzinski-leivo

Miller-fox
Lindgren-trouba
Jones-shattenkirk

Plus you've still got two firsts in this years draft.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Larry Brooks talks to Jim Dolan about an executive position with the New York Rangers [JK]:

 

[qwertyaas]

I think you have to force one of these top six wingers to the right wing. And simultaneously infuse the youth into the top 6.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Trocheck - Lafreniere
Goodrow - Chytil - X
Cuylle - X - Vesey

Jones in the top 6 defense would probably help with breakout efficiency and also may need to be done.

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Jones - Schneider

Don’t know how to fill out the other forward spots if Goodrow isn’t traded for extra cap space.

Why does kreider even need to be on any specific wing? He doesn't even do anything other than sit in front of the net anymore.

He should be the first winger that's plugged where needed.

 

[LokiDog]

Without much thought:

Panarin (3 years, 11.6M) for Krug (4 years, 6.5M). Krug probably would look good with Trouba. The term sucks, but the 5M in savings looks good.

Lindgren - Fox
Krug - Trouba
Miller - Schneider

Is solid and Krug is capable of transitioning the puck. Move Goodrow in a separate deal and you’ve freed up 9.2M and added a PMD with a Cup ring capable of playing top 4 minutes well, even if his time in St. Louis hasn’t been the greatest.

 

[pld459666]

Trocheck and Panarin don’t work well together
Zibanejad and Panarin don’t work well together
Chytil and Panarin don’t work well together.

What’s the common denominator here?

It's Lafreniere's fault

 

[Dijock94]

Why does kreider even need to be on any specific wing? He doesn't even do anything other than sit in front of the net anymore.

He should be the first winger that's plugged where needed.

I don’t disagree I just assume it will be harder for a 33 year old to switch wings. But I don’t see why he can’t

 

[pld459666]

I think I want to see more offensive chances from Miller, so much that I don't want that to hamper Fox's ability to push the puck and create himself.

Still agree that he should be split with Trouba, but that means putting Trouba on the 3rd pair.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Why does kreider even need to be on any specific wing? He doesn't even do anything other than sit in front of the net anymore.

He should be the first winger that's plugged where needed.

Kreider cannot play on his off-wing. Everytime he plays on the right it's a problem because he doesn't have the ability to make plays on his backhand and he doesn't have the hands to cut into the middle and be dangerous from there. Just leave the guy where he thrives.

 

[Leonardo87]

EdJovanovski's master plan

Hire Messier as coach
Trade Zibanejad & Schneider to Colorado for Byram & Nichushkin
Trade Lafreniere, 2024 4th to Montreal for 2023 1st (FLA) & 2023 2nd
Offersheet Zegras
Trade Goodrow, Vesey to Calgary for Zadorov
Trade Trouba to Detroit for 2023 3rd
Sign Kane & LTIR him until we need him
Sign UFAs Bertuzzi, Domi, Athanasiou & Hathaway

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Kreider - Zegras - Kakko
Panarin - Trocheck - Nichushkin
Bertuzzi - Chytil - Kane
Athanasiou - Domi - Hathaway

Byram - Fox
Miller - Zadorov
Lindgren - Jones

Shesterkin
Halak

extra: Othmann

I think I hear the Pizza Hut guy at the door, go check. Lol.

 

[pld459666]

This team could very easily turn itself into an absolute menace if they would buy in to getting the puck up the ice, controlling the puck down low and creating scoring chances from low to high. Control the puck down low and move it to a defensive unit that can create chances.

If we look at the forward group as a whole, players like Kreider, Trochek, Lafreniere and Kaako are all what I would consider good around the net. Zibanejad and Chytil are good on the rush but aren't bad at it either.

Revamp the defense to a group who is more mobile and can create chances by getting pucks through and find a couple of guys who play well along the boards and at puck retrievals.

Fox and Miller are already good at this. Trouba and Schneider need work. Promote Jones and let him learn from mistakes. Trade Lindgren to bring in someone who can drive more offense from the back-end.

Lunch-pail guys. Fast. Rodriguez. Garland. Acciari. Keep it simple and facilitate the puck to the skilled players already here. It also alleviates the concern of not enough PP time.

I'm not buying it that they can play that style both consistently and effectively.

Grinding it down low and behind the goalie takes more compete and a higher battle level than what I have see from these guys.

I don't believe they have it in them

 

[McRanger92]

Without much thought:

Panarin (3 years, 11.6M) for Krug (4 years, 6.5M). Krug probably would look good with Trouba. The term sucks, but the 5M in savings looks good.

Lindgren - Fox
Krug - Trouba
Miller - Schneider

Is solid and Krug is capable of transitioning the puck. Move Goodrow in a separate deal and you’ve freed up 9.2M and added a PMD with a Cup ring capable of playing top 4 minutes well, even if his time in St. Louis hasn’t been the greatest.

Blues are interesting. Maybe you could sell Panarin on a reunion with Buch. Still put the percentage of him leaving at about 2%

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Playing in cap friendly, if you could snag a early/mid first for Lafreniere and Schneider each, you'd have a lot of capital to really overhaul the roster with.

One first could go to Anaheim for Henrique with some retention. Bring back fast and shattenkirk on 2ish mil deals for 2 or 3 years. Trade goodrow. Sign leivo to a min deal.

You're left with a forward corps that much faster and more tenacious, with a d-corps that can move the puck and defend decently, with Chytil and Kakko secured in top six roles and ample space for PP time (with some PP2 options on the blueline that don't completely suck. Something like:

Kreider-zibanejad-kakko
Panarin-chytil-fast
Henrique-trochek-vesey
Motte-brodzinski-leivo

Miller-fox
Lindgren-trouba
Jones-shattenkirk

Plus you've still got two firsts in this years draft.

god no

about the only thing I agree with here is Kreider/Zib/Kakko.

Fast will be 32 and yet another low upside player in the top 6. Serious contenders don't run with guys like that in scoring roles.
Henrique will be 34 and offers Laf level of production with 0 upside and a bigger cap hit and is certainly not at all worth a first round pick.

Lindgren/Trouba is a weak pair. They'll kill any forward group's offense they're on the ice wtih. Trouba negates Lindgren's defensive positives at puck movement/alleviating pressure.
Miller / Fox means one of them will have to play more defensively, which hurts one or both of them.
I still don't think Jones is much more than Mike Mottau / Matt Gilroy when all is said and done.
And Shattenkirk is an abomination. At that point might as well just bring Dan Girardi out of retirement.
Schneider is 21 and has clear things he can work on to be better, but he is also 21 and realistically has a shot to be a lot better in the next few years.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Playing in cap friendly, if you could snag a early/mid first for Lafreniere and Schneider each, you'd have a lot of capital to really overhaul the roster with.

One first could go to Anaheim for Henrique with some retention. Bring back fast and shattenkirk on 2ish mil deals for 2 or 3 years. Trade goodrow. Sign leivo to a min deal.

You're left with a forward corps that much faster and more tenacious, with a d-corps that can move the puck and defend decently, with Chytil and Kakko secured in top six roles and ample space for PP time (with some PP2 options on the blueline that don't completely suck. Something like:

Kreider-zibanejad-kakko
Panarin-chytil-fast
Henrique-trochek-vesey
Motte-brodzinski-leivo

Miller-fox
Lindgren-trouba
Jones-shattenkirk

Plus you've still got two firsts in this years draft.

I hate just about everything here

We are giving up a 1st for Adam Henrique? Whose cap hit is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than lafs will be to take his spot? Even if laf gets no better then he is right now he’s still more valuable then that

 

[DanielBrassard]

Right now I think Garland is my number 1 target to fill the other top-6 RW spot with Kakko on the top line. He's like a souped up version of Fast and seems to be undervalued by Vancouver.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The only team you might sell Panarin and the team on is Anaheim imo

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Kreider cannot play on his off-wing. Everytime he plays on the right it's a problem because he doesn't have the ability to make plays on his backhand and he doesn't have the hands to cut into the middle and be dangerous from there. Just leave the guy where he thrives.

I'd rather see them buy into Laf at RW for an entire season. He spends a fair amount of time on that side of the ice anyway, and it opens a lot more possibilities for him if he can learn to skate. He has all the skills he needs to play off wing. Good hands, deceptive (very good at the triple threat position), can carry the puck on his backhand, opens up the ice to him so he can get more playmaking opportunities.

LW limits him to scoring from right in front of the net (he almost never takes a slapshot and doesn't possess an elite release yet to beat goalies clean), it takes away his angles and limits him to playing from the outside on the forehand, and it takes away his ability to freeze defenders from the triple threat position with the whole offensive zone in front of him.

Kreider is an up and down winger with good top end speed who's elite in front of the net. Let him stay on LW where he can still occasionally try and beat guys wide with speed.

 

[RangersFan1994]

This fits:

Trades:
Goodrow to SJ for 4th '23 + 5th '23 + 7th '24
Lindgren to Buffalo for 1st '24+ 2nd '23

Signings:
Lafreniere - 2 years @ $2.25m
Miller - 3 years @ $3.85m
Brown - 2 years @ $1.75m
Eller/Acciari - 2 years @ $1.2m
Gostisbehere - 3 years @ $3.25m
Motte - 3 years @ $1.15m
Halak - 1 year @ $1.4m

Garland @ $3m (either via trade with retention or once bought out)

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Kreider-Trochek-Brown/Garland
Panarin-Chytil-Garland/Brown
Motte-Eller/Acciari-Vesey

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Gostisbehere-Schneider

Shesty
Halak

$84.5m cap available
$2.1m in cap space

Can Bedard force his way to the rangers?

Like Fox did I doubt it unless he does not want to play in a small market team like Arizona

 

[EdJovanovski]

We really need to offersheet Zegras

 

[DanielBrassard]

@EdJovanovski keep laughing and see what happens

We really need to offersheet Zegras

Or he can just demand a trade and make it easy.

 

[EdJovanovski]

@EdJovanovski keep laughing and see what happens


Or he can just demand a trade and make it easy.

They don’t need to trade him and they’d probably want a more significant returns than the compensation picks

 

[TheDirtyH]

god no

about the only thing I agree with here is Kreider/Zib/Kakko.

Fast will be 32 and yet another low upside player in the top 6. Serious contenders don't run with guys like that in scoring roles.
Henrique will be 34 and offers Laf level of production with 0 upside and a bigger cap hit and is certainly not at all worth a first round pick.

Lindgren/Trouba is a weak pair. They'll kill any forward group's offense they're on the ice wtih. Trouba negates Lindgren's defensive positives at puck movement/alleviating pressure.
Miller / Fox means one of them will have to play more defensively, which hurts one or both of them.
I still don't think Jones is much more than Mike Mottau / Matt Gilroy when all is said and done.
And Shattenkirk is an abomination. At that point might as well just bring Dan Girardi out of retirement.
Schneider is 21 and has clear things he can work on to be better, but he is also 21 and realistically has a shot to be a lot better in the next few years.

I hate just about everything here

We are giving up a 1st for Adam Henrique? Whose cap hit is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than lafs will be to take his spot? Even if laf gets no better then he is right now he’s still more valuable then that

Lol well thanks for the feedback at least.

Re: fast and Henrique. Fast was the single linemate that's worked with Panarin since he came here, plus he adds every element so sorely needed in our top six especially. He forechecks like a madman, he wins pucks, he gets to the inside, and he's great in his own zone. You put him with Panarin who wakes up with three points, and Chytil who was our most efficient 5v5 scorer and a volume shooter and I think it'd be a great line.

Henrique does add much more than Lafreniere at this point, sorry to say. And you're still couping a mid/high first that can either refill the pipeline or be dangled for a different player.

I like Garland as an alternative to Henrique as well, just think Anaheim is much more likely to retain salary than Vancouver, plus Henrique would be gone in a year and helps take draws (and win them).

Henriques a good skater, a shooter, and a guy motivated to step in and contribute to a winner in a third line role. Lafreniere is none of those things.

Shattenkirk is just an idea. I thought he was great on Tampa in a third pair role, and with a forward group rebuilt to forecheck AND backcheck with speed and tenacity, I think that's the key to sheltering a player like him, and the big difference between Tampa and Anaheim aside from minutes.

At the end of the day, I don't mind the disagreement, I appreciate the responses!

 

[DanielBrassard]

They don’t need to trade him and they’d probably want a more significant returns than the compensation picks

They'd match any offer unless we go to 4 1sts and he's not worth that. Neither is likely but he's definitely not being offersheeted.

Lol well thanks for the feedback at least.

Re: fast and Henrique. Fast was the single linemate that's worked with Panarin since he came here, plus he adds every element so sorely needed in our top six especially. He forechecks like a madman, he wins pucks, he gets to the inside, and he's great in his own zone. You put him with Panarin who wakes up with three points, and Chytil who was our most efficient 5v5 scorer and a volume shooter and I think it'd be a great line.

Henrique does add much more than Lafreniere at this point, sorry to say. And you're still couping a mid/high first that can either refill the pipeline or be dangled for a different player.

I like Garland as an alternative to Henrique as well, just think Anaheim is much more likely to retain salary than Vancouver, plus Henrique would be gone in a year and helps take draws (and win them).

Henriques a good skater, a shooter, and a guy motivated to step in and contribute to a winner in a third line role. Lafreniere is none of those things.

Shattenkirk is just an idea. I thought he was great on Tampa in a third pair role, and with a forward group rebuilt to forecheck AND backcheck with speed and tenacity, I think that's the key to sheltering a player like him, and the big difference between Tampa and Anaheim aside from minutes.

At the end of the day, I don't mind the disagreement, I appreciate the responses!

I like your plan, would Shattenkirk even be willing to sign here again though, seems like he's over the Rangers lol.

 

[Leonardo87]

We really need to offersheet Zegras

Rangers don’t qualify.

 

[17futurecap]

Obviously the bill comes through for the following year, but it’s pretty funny how easy it is to lower a cap hit on a 35 plus player.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Rangers don’t qualify.

Can’t we trade for the picks if we have to? I did a simulation on CapFriendly with a 6.5M AAV deal we’re only missing a 2nd