Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[mrmovies779]

EdJovanovski's master plan

Hire Messier as coach
Trade Zibanejad & Schneider to Colorado for Byram & Nichushkin
Trade Lafreniere, 2024 4th to Montreal for 2023 1st (FLA) & 2023 2nd
Offersheet Zegras
Trade Goodrow, Vesey to Calgary for Zadorov
Trade Trouba to Detroit for 2023 3rd
Sign Kane & LTIR him until we need him
Sign UFAs Bertuzzi, Domi, Athanasiou & Hathaway

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Kreider - Zegras - Kakko
Panarin - Trocheck - Nichushkin
Bertuzzi - Chytil - Kane
Athanasiou - Domi - Hathaway

Byram - Fox
Miller - Zadorov
Lindgren - Jones

Shesterkin
Halak

extra: Othmann

Put down the ps5 controller

 

[NYR Viper]

You cannot make offense from the point if the forwards refuse to go to the new. what did valley say, they had 7 rebound shots over 7 games!!! watch the game last night and the canes are all over the lanes and crashing the net, no view for the goalies. site lines for the goalies against us were so easy. there is no structure or commitment to anything within the forward group.

I understand this, but the defense also needs to be able to get the puck to the net

 

[RangersFan1994]

Both him and Barron are players we'd trade for now. I said both were good players who needed development and never got it here. Something needs to change here and now.

You know that wont change with Drury and Dolan involved. No way. They dont even spend money unless you are a star or someone passed their prime

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Howden was legitimately the worst player in the league as our 4th line C, and last night he was dangling Draisatl as Vegas' 2nd line LW.

I don’t know exactly what the problem is. But it’s stuff like this that lets me know it is buried in the deepest core of the organization.

 

[bleedblue94]

I understand this, but the defense also needs to be able to get the puck to the net

i get that, but wingers dont collapse off the d (which is what often gives them that extra second to get the puck to the net) unless the forwards are working things low and making the opposition respect the play down low. it forces the wingers to play off the d and collapse down to prevent hard cuts to the slot off the wall. with a roster of forwards that refuse to cut to the slot the wingers dont have to collapse at all to seal that space off.

same thing as people acting like our d cant make a breakout pass but ignoring the stupidity that is our forwards and their lack of movement and spacing to offer pass options for those breakouts. our forwards put one on the wall past the redline for the tip dump, and two that kind of crisscross between the redline and the new blueline. where the help are the options to actually make a quality pass to?

 

[Dijock94]

I think you have to force one of these top six wingers to the right wing. And simultaneously infuse the youth into the top 6.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Trocheck - Lafreniere
Goodrow - Chytil - X
Cuylle - X - Vesey

Jones in the top 6 defense would probably help with breakout efficiency and also may need to be done.

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Jones - Schneider

Don’t know how to fill out the other forward spots if Goodrow isn’t traded for extra cap space.

 

[NYR Viper]

i get that, but wingers dont collapse off the d (which is what often gives them that extra second to get the puck to the net) unless the forwards are working things low and making the opposition respect the play down low. it forces the wingers to play off the d and collapse down to prevent hard cuts to the slot off the wall. with a roster of forwards that refuse to cut to the slot the wingers dont have to collapse at all to seal that space off.

same thing as people acting like our d cant make a breakout pass but ignoring the stupidity that is our forwards and their lack of movement and spacing to offer pass options for those breakouts. our forwards put one on the wall past the redline for the tip dump, and two that kind of crisscross between the redline and the new blueline. where the help are the options to actually make a quality pass to?


just look at our player development staff

Moving the puck high to low creates lanes for the forwards. That's what the team was lacking consistently. They do it with Fox because he's Fox.

 

[17futurecap]

Going to pass on bringing this mess to NYC.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He maybe got better in the O zone, but yes, I am talking about his transition. He is not good at passing the puck up the ice. Even in the O zone, his passing leaves a lot to be desired.

The whole team sucked at pinching this year and I will blame the coaches for that because the forwards were never ready to fill in for them.

Total lack of puck support was evident in the lineup this year. So maybe every player just looked horrible because we had to system or coaching in place.

Preach.

Put down the ps5 controller

More like the crack pipe.

 

[JimmyG89]

There were a few sets of lines that worked extremely well this season:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Trocheck-Vesey
Kreider-Zibanejad-Vesey

The kid line was basically a break even line in advanced stats, but was +10 in goal differential. This is really it since none of the other combinations actually were held together, which is an even bigger issue all in itself. Even the Panarin-Trocheck-Vesey line barely played. Kind of hard for anyone to develop chemistry when the lines get jumbled every other game.

With the cap the way it is, Vesey is going to be up and down the lineup and he worked well with two combos.

Something that I'm also finding interesting is that Kreider and Chytil almost never have played on the same line. In the last 3 years Kreider has played more with Kane than Chytil, and Kane was on the team for about 20 games. When they were together, they did very well. I would like to see lines like this:

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Trocheck-XXXX/Vesey
Kreider-Chytil-Vesey/XXXX

A RW with some speed, plays in a straight line, and is responsible defensively. I still say they should just try and bring back Jesper Fast. It's either that, or I'd experiment with Chytil as a winger and get a 3rd line center.

 

[bleedblue94]

Moving the puck high to low creates lanes for the forwards. That's what the team was lacking consistently. They do it with Fox because he's Fox.

teams are able to do it with more than just norris caliber players. you can stand along the boards and pass back and forth to the point and it accomplishes nothing unless you have movement towards danger areas of the ice that force the opposition to move and defend. fox is able to make something out of nothing bc of his deception which is elite elite. teams are able to do this with lesser defenseman than we have here. i think we are saying the same thing for the most part but i am just so tired of hearing virtually everything here is an issue with the defense bc it heard the same crap when torts was fired bc there was no functional breakout or offensive scheme and once av came in with mostly the same roster the same guys that people said couldnt make a pass were suddenly ripping the puck around the ice.

 

[The Gloaming]

The transition game reminded me of the Torts years this year. Just guys standing still at the blueline.

Also, we had to have led the league in missed NZ tips that lead to icings. Where can we find icing stats? We have to be the worst team at icing the puck. No team left in the playoffs does this kind of shit.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

People wanting Messier as a coach are ignoring the fact that he hasn't gone and coached at another level to get to the NHL, i know St.Louis did it but we aren't in that kind of situation. Imo if he had asked for the Hartford job a few years ago he'd be our coach now.

 

[bhamill]

I don't think that was that egregious. Taking out Dube obviously wasn't the plan.

I'd be happy if our defenders started standing up on the blueline. shit happens

That was on Dube.

 

[cozandeffect]

"This guy keeps getting worse" seems to apply to every player we have except like, Kreider and Vesey.

Even Vesey had to leave to have that happen because he was certainly getting worse in his first stint.

 

[NYR Viper]

Going to pass on bringing this mess to NYC.

I'll just say that more info needs to come out. It could be bad. It could be nothing he did.

 

[Kravtsov420]

It’s bizarre to me that we still haven’t heard anything about the coach and nothing from the GM

 

[CLW]

Fire everyone involved in player development immediately!!! Howden was the worst forward I've seen on the Rangers since Glass until Blais and Reaves came along.

Howden was amazing against Edmonton last night. I couldn't believe my eyes.


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100% this. Fire them all. Even in his first season with Vegas Howden immediately and noticeably improved and looked physically stronger, played more direct and understood his assignment.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Fire everyone involved in player development immediately!!! Howden was the worst forward I've seen on the Rangers since Glass until Blais and Reaves came along.

Howden was amazing against Edmonton last night. I couldn't believe my eyes.


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Will be “interesting” to see where Blais goes from here as well

 

[duhmetreE]

You cannot make offense from the point if the forwards refuse to go to the net. what did valley say, they had 7 rebound shots over 7 games!!! watch the game last night and the canes are all over the lanes and crashing the net, no view for the goalies. site lines for the goalies against us were so easy. there is no structure or commitment to anything within the forward group.

They refuse to score on the rebound. It's not pretty enough.

We must have the perfect passing play or perfect shot.

 

[CLW]

It’s bizarre to me that we still haven’t heard anything about the coach and nothing from the GM

I'm waiting for Drury to act decisively before the weekend. If it's crickets and nothing happens then yes, it's truly bizarre.

Then again, accepting a known injured player into his playoff squad basically shows there's no leadership to be counted on.

Yeah my whole point is we need more defenseman who move the puck. It's been twisted every which way by people wanting to sound like geniuses.

I also think they would look better if the forwards didnt fly out of the zone while forecheckers bear down on their D-men

Ranger forwards don't fly, they play arse first through the neutral zone offense.

 

[LannyMcdonald]

EdJovanovski's master plan

Hire Messier as coach
Trade Zibanejad & Schneider to Colorado for Byram & Nichushkin
Trade Lafreniere, 2024 4th to Montreal for 2023 1st (FLA) & 2023 2nd
Offersheet Zegras
Trade Goodrow, Vesey to Calgary for Zadorov
Trade Trouba to Detroit for 2023 3rd
Sign Kane & LTIR him until we need him
Sign UFAs Bertuzzi, Domi, Athanasiou & Hathaway

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Kreider - Zegras - Kakko
Panarin - Trocheck - Nichushkin
Bertuzzi - Chytil - Kane
Athanasiou - Domi - Hathaway

Byram - Fox
Miller - Zadorov
Lindgren - Jones

Shesterkin
Halak

extra: Othmann

kravtsov - kravtsov - kravtsov
kravtsov - malkin - kravtsov
kravtsov - kravtsov - kravtsov
Athanasiou - Domi - Hathaway

malkovich - malkovich
malkovich - malkovich
malkovich - malkovich

Shesterkin
kravstov

 

[Rangers in 7]

I think the team needs to take a step back and really think about rounding out the roster with players they could mold, not big names (not that they could afford "names"). I've been shitting on the kids a lot but they have to seriously put all 3 in the top 6 permanently, let them grow even if we have doubts about their ceiling (Laf). Definitely explore trading Bread and Trouba above all. Also got to explore trades for pretty much everyone. All those NMC NTC really hamper a lot but not impossible to get out them. Igor, Fox, and the Busts, build around them. Window, schmindow, we're not winning with the current core. Regular season doesn't mean anything, we know this. Build a team you could truly mold with structure. Too many slow deliberate puck movers like Bread, Fox, Kane just does not work. You only need 1, Fox. Fast puck movement, North South play and aggresive forecheck, with key goaltending wins if you've been watching the playoffs. The letter 2.0, tear it down again, well partially.

Agreed. You can always sprinkle in talented players as they become available later on

I don't disagree, although Lafreniere looked good for his short stint with Zibanejad and Kaako. I think that given some time, he can come along. I still saw a player who made good plays at times.

The lineup could easily be:

Kreider-Trochek-Garland
Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Chytil-Brown
Motte-Eller/Acciari-Vesey

I really don't see a consistent #1 line out of the top-3. Just ride whoever is playing the best at that time or evenly distribute.

Love that lineup to be fair

 

[tomobson]

Can Bedard force his way to the rangers?

 

[UnSandvich]

I don't disagree, although Lafreniere looked good for his short stint with Zibanejad and Kaako. I think that given some time, he can come along. I still saw a player who made good plays at times.

The lineup could easily be:

Kreider-Trochek-Garland
Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Chytil-Brown
Motte-Eller/Acciari-Vesey

I really don't see a consistent #1 line out of the top-3. Just ride whoever is playing the best at that time or evenly distribute.

To be honest, that whole line (Laf-Zib-Kakko) looked awesome together, and i have no idea why Coach Caveman gave it like...1 game then changed away from it.