Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[GoAwayPanarin]

Can't find one, but I can't forget this. Both @Oscar Lindberg and I remember it.

Podcast or article?

If I have time I'll try to flag it down.

 

[haohmaru]

Lopresti on The Broadway Hat podcast said that there were rumblings about a divide in the room that stemmed from playing short and the Lindgren non LTIR decision resulting (partially) in the Gallant and Ramsey dismissals.

Honestly, most hockey players want more ice time and I don't see why playing short to accommodate a Patrick Kane acquisition would result in the room being divided. You'd think the extra ice time would be appreciated after accepting how unorthodox it all was.

And did Ramsey lose his job over misdiagnosing Lindgren? I mean, I wouldn't think so.

 

[Daves a mess]

Podcast or article?

If I have time I'll try to flag it down.

If true, that Chris Drury was " banging on tables" vouching for and insisting on taking Odie the Imo, then he should be shit canned today. Like an hour ago.

The Pavel Brendl pick that I'd never thought would happen again happened again.

 

[haohmaru]

Podcast or article?

If I have time I'll try to flag it down.

I don't think they're getting it right. Drury was not a fan of the Kravtsov selection.

"Forever Blueshirts has also learned that Chris Drury was not a fan of his selection in the first place. It really should not be surprising since Drury came in an overhauled the scouting staff, including letting go of Head of European Scouting Nick Bobrov."

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I don't think they're getting it right. Drury was not a fan of the Kravtsov selection.

"Forever Blueshirts has also learned that Chris Drury was not a fan of his selection in the first place. It really should not be surprising since Drury came in an overhauled the scouting staff, including letting go of Head of European Scouting Nick Bobrov."

Forever Blueshirts isn’t a source lmao

McKenzie mentioned that tidbit about Drury scouting him on the draft broadcast at some point that weekend

I know who I’m trusting

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't think they're getting it right. Drury was not a fan of the Kravtsov selection.

"Forever Blueshirts has also learned that Chris Drury was not a fan of his selection in the first place. It really should not be surprising since Drury came in an overhauled the scouting staff, including letting go of Head of European Scouting Nick Bobrov."

I don't think so either but its entirely possible that we're wrong.

I would have dismissed it if it were Jovo but @I Eat Crow doesn't make shit up for the sake of making it up. Entirely possible there is misremembering going on but thats why I want to look into it.

Bobby Mac is wayyyyyyyyy more reputable than Forever Blueshirts so if he did say this, I would tend to side with him.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[haohmaru]

Forever Blueshirts isn’t a source lmao

McKenzie mentioned that tidbit about Drury scouting him on the draft broadcast at some point that weekend

I know who I’m trusting

I haven't found anything to support that with most articles stating that Bobrov was the reason the Rangers drafted Kravtsov and Gorton was on board with it. The fact that Drury handed him his walking papers a couple of years later also speaks volumes about who was responsible.

I'll trust that above a hazy recollection from five years ago. I mean, Drury might've "scouted" or watched him play, but I highly doubt the rhetoric of him pounding on tables demanding Kravtsov be drafted are true.

I don't think so either but its entirely possible that we're wrong.

I would have dismissed it if it were Jovo but @I Eat Crow doesn't make shit up for the sake of making it up. Entirely possible there is misremembering going on but thats why I want to look into it.

Bobby Mac is wayyyyyyyyy more reputable than Forever Blueshirts so if he did say this, I would tend to side with him.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I just don't think Drury played any kind of key role in Kravtsov ending up here.

 

[leetch99]

Not sure if it was mentioned....likely was , but it sure looks like Turk's last two teams are heading to the Finals ! LOL....I wonder how soon that will be us if he was holding the team back ?

 

[Vitto79]

Kravstov was so damn weak on the puck. Just getting knocked around so easily. I’m not saying he couldn’t have been a success, but he needed to hit the weights and get some calories in.

3 1st that Draft and 2 didn’t work out.

That’s why they stock piled 1sts
Hit on Miller , Chytil , Schneider and hopefully Othmaan

Lias and Kravtsov woof
Hopefully Cuylee salvages the Lias pick a bit

 

[haohmaru]

Not sure if it was mentioned....likely was , but it sure looks like Turk's last two teams are heading to the Finals ! LOL....I wonder how soon that will be us if he was holding the team back ?

It's our DENSITY.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We don't need any top 6 forwards, we need our top picks to play in the top 6 all year, we need 3rd line forwards and a ld.

 

[haohmaru]

We don't need any top 6 forwards, we need our top picks to play in the top 6 all year, we need 3rd line forwards and a ld.

We need a top 6 RW. Again.

 

[Do you want ants]

Forever Blueshirts isn’t a source lmao

McKenzie mentioned that tidbit about Drury scouting him on the draft broadcast at some point that weekend

I know who I’m trusting

Would make sense for why Drury went after him in Hartford if he was one of the ones pushing to draft him.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I don't think so either but its entirely possible that we're wrong.

I would have dismissed it if it were Jovo but @I Eat Crow doesn't make shit up for the sake of making it up. Entirely possible there is misremembering going on but thats why I want to look into it.

Bobby Mac is wayyyyyyyyy more reputable than Forever Blueshirts so if he did say this, I would tend to side with him.

I'll admit that I'm not 100% sure of this, but both @Oscar Lindberg and I remember something along the lines of Bobby Mac saying something on the draft broadcast about Drury going to Russia himself to scout him and the scouting staff falling in love with the player. Can't remember though if it was the "staff" or Drury that liked him.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Obviously the move here is Panarin and Goodrow for Anderson, Armia, Gurianov, and Evans

 

[bernmeister]

They wouldn't have done it prior to the trade deadline either. That's a big cap hit to a team like Florida. They have some cap this offseason, but adding Panarin would stop them from filling their backend, etc.

We should consider every option to induce bread to waive
part of that is obv finding a suitable partner

FL could be a fit, not sure, unless we retain like half!! Yikes!!!!!!

Again, what about
these 2 as principals:

bread reduced 2.6x to 9 per less yrs
for
Parayko 6.5 reduced 2.5 to 4 per for more yrs

There MAY be something there, not sure.
How long before we think Para falls apart?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We need a top 6 RW. Again.

I don't agree really, we need Kreider or Panarin(who is right handed) to move to rw if they don't think Lafreniere can play there, though we've seen so little of him on rw i dont know how theyd know.

 

[RGY]

Sign Kane 3 x $4. LTIR him.
Sign Vlad 3 x $5.
Trade Goodrow (unfortunately) to free up cap space.
Sign Motte 2 x $1
Sign Laf 2 x $2.750
Consider trading Miller for picks and avoid the contract extension.
Sign Mikkola 3 x $2.750
Promote Cuylle
Look for a cheap vet D or promote Jones/Robertson.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Sign Kane 3 x $4. LTIR him.
Sign Vlad 3 x $5.
Trade Goodrow (unfortunately) to free up cap space.
Sign Motte 2 x $1
Sign Laf 2 x $2.750
Consider trading Miller for picks and avoid the contract extension.
Sign Mikkola 3 x $2.750
Promote Cuylle
Look for a cheap vet D or promote Jones/Robertson.

Salary cap says hello

 

[Filip Chytil]

Thats what I remember.

Bobby Mac stated that Drury went to Russia in person to scout him during the KHL playoffs and gave glowing reports.

Carpiniello: Rangers' three first-round selections show the team's conviction to their rebuild plan

The choices of Vitali Kravtsov, K'Andre Miller or Nils Lundkvist showed that the Rangers were willing to bet on upside rather than prospects who might have a more immediate impact on the roster.

theathletic.com

Kravtsov left home when he was eight or nine years old, he said, to live with his grandparents so he could play hockey. He said it was “difficult, obviously.” His mother joined him a year later. The Rangers see him as a big-time NHL player eventually, and this is a team that really needs high-end skill up front, and hasn’t drafted a star forward type in decades.
“His skill level, his hands and his head, are through the roof,” Clark said. “He’s a very, very intellectual kid and he’s a great kid.
“Listen, he’s such a high-end hockey player,” Clark said. “We had him as our second best forward in the draft. Everybody was on board. We all went to see him. What he did, certainly in the playoffs, stamped (his legitimacy), but we’ve been on him since last November and followed him all year long, and what he did in the playoffs didn’t surprise us at all. It looked like he was just getting ready to break out, for an 18-year-old boy at that level.”

At 1:19:07, McKenzie says, "I will tell you this. The NY Rangers, Gordie Clark, chief scout Nik Bobrov, spent a lot of time, I mean a lot of time, in Russia. And there's a Russian still on the board in the top 12 in this draft. His name is Vitali Kravtsov, a scoring playmaking winger. I'll be curious to see if they take the plunge on Kratvsov here."

https://www.sny.tv/articles/rangers-gordie-clark-explains-the-2018-first-round-picks

Clark quote here:

• On him getting the opportunity, "It's no different than the other players we've talked about. Kuznetsov for instance, they play third line and had like 2 goals and 6 assists. They don't play very much in that league, sometimes it hurts them but down the road they are going to be good hockey players. This guy excelled in that next step and blew us away. I had a chance, while I was at the under-18 championships, Nick Bobrov found out he was picked for the National team, the B National team, he went in and they were playing three games against Norway and Belarus and I took off from the U-18s and the guy that I saw there in those games was completely different than the guy that I saw in December in Rochester at the Russian World Junior camp. The confidence is all he needed. I joke around and say that the coach thinks he should have played more in the regular season. He stepped on the ice and was dominating against Men. It's not Canada and USA, it's Belarus and Norway but they are very good teams and men and strong and his skill level, his hands and head are through the roof. He's a very intellectual kid an a great kid. Good people find a way to be successful an that is what it turns out to be with him."

That's all I found. So it appears they were on him since November 2017. I tried searching for all sorts of things regarding this time frame pertaining to a Rangers trip to Russia and who was on such a trip, but can't find more details. Can I subpoena Drury's passport records?

Edit: The U-18 Worlds were in Russia in 2018. So Bobrov and Clark were in Russia in April 2018. Drury, I'm not sure. Some posts and tweets here on the B National Team Clark was talking about above: RW Vitaly Kravtsov - Traktor Chelyabinsk, KHL (2018, 9th, NYR)

 

[duhmetreE]

There's no way Drury is responsible for Kravtsov. Stop. Just think about this. Sure, he may have scouted him.... This is Bobrov and Clark. It's their M.O.

We do not take Kravtsov without Clark and Bobrov here.

 

[duhmetreE]

Carpiniello: Rangers' three first-round selections show the team's conviction to their rebuild plan

The choices of Vitali Kravtsov, K'Andre Miller or Nils Lundkvist showed that the Rangers were willing to bet on upside rather than prospects who might have a more immediate impact on the roster.

theathletic.com

At 1:19:07, McKenzie says, "I will tell you this. The NY Rangers, Gordie Clark, chief scout Nik Bobrov, spent a lot of time, I mean a lot of time, in Russia. And there's a Russian still on the board in the top 12 in this draft. His name is Vitali Kravtsov, a scoring playmaking winger. I'll be curious to see if they take the plunge on Kratvsov here."

https://www.sny.tv/articles/rangers-gordie-clark-explains-the-2018-first-round-picks

Clark quote here:



That's all I found. So it appears they were on him since November 2017. I tried searching for all sorts of things regarding this time frame pertaining to a Rangers trip to Russia and who was on such a trip, but can't find more details. Can I subpoena Drury's passport records?

If this is true, it may be the dumbest thing I've read in a while and understand now why we took Kravtsov, Lundkvist and Lindbum. Our Euro scouts were dog shit.

They had Kravtsov as the 2nd best forward in the draft? Who was he ahead of? Svech or Tkachuk? Was @EdJovanovski a part of Bobrov's crew? They literally had Kravtsov ahead of Svech or Tkachuk.... MIND NUMBING STUFF

You want to say 3rd best? maaaaaaaaaybe. Don't see how you could logically put him ahead of Hayton or Zadina though.... but hockey is different here.

Thank God those bozos and their bozo crew are gone.

 

[duhmetreE]

Sign Kane 3 x $4. LTIR him.
Sign Vlad 3 x $5.
Trade Goodrow (unfortunately) to free up cap space.
Sign Motte 2 x $1
Sign Laf 2 x $2.750
Consider trading Miller for picks and avoid the contract extension.
Sign Mikkola 3 x $2.750
Promote Cuylle
Look for a cheap vet D or promote Jones/Robertson.

No.

and no to Kane.

I'd be OK with Tank but there's no money to sign him.

 

[Synergy27]

If this is true, it may be the dumbest thing I've read in a while and understand now why we took Kravtsov, Lundkvist and Lindbum. Our Euro scouts were dog shit.

2nd best forward? Who was he ahead of? Svech or Tkachuk? Was @EdJovanovski a part of Bobrov's crew?

You want to say 3rd best? maaaaaaaaaybe. Don't see how you could logically put him ahead of Hayton or Zadina though.... but hockey is different here.

Thank God those bozos and their bozo crew are gone.

I vividly remember their excitement drafting him, and the comment about him being #2 on their board.

All of that said, I’m glad to see the evidence is showing that I was right about Drury. VK is basically the antithesis of a Drury pick.