Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

A we need to find another Vatrano, not bring back Motte

B keep kid line together give mo mins as 2nd line

C do not penalize Kreid/reward bread.
CK - MZ - Oth or Brodzinski
kid line
bread to 3rd l

Othmann or Brozinski on the 1st line.

 

[duhmetreE]

I personally prefer othmann do a year down in hartford and come up for the 24-25 season but god damn does this kid compete. Hes always in everyones face and plays with a real edge.

Adding a 21 year old like this to the roster who outcompetes all the soft vets we have could really spark them and light a fire under their asses. If a 21 year old is very publicly displaying he cares more than you.

I love the effort but it's not that great of a play. The puck was long gone and he's there humping his leg LOL

I really hope we get the right coach and employ the right system.

If you throw Othmann into the freelancing bullshit we've been doing, his questionable skating is going to make him a non-factor. He needs to be part of a puck support system.

It's been so long I don't even know how to react if I see this team breakout and move the puck as a team.

 

[bigdog16]

Cool, he is 24. So we can trade him when he is 29.

My point is that he isn't getting any better. He has peaked. He probably peaked last season. Im sure by the time he is 29 most people here will be giving him the Marc Staal/Dan Girardi treatment.

 

[B17 Apricots]

I give Lindgren 5x5 all day.

Thats not his retirement deal as he will be 31 when it expires.

Maybe a little generous but plenty fair. Looking at the recent deals for stay-at-home types you have the higher end of the spectrum at Brodin, 6 million a year. Not sure I'd put Lindgren on that level. Then you have the next group that'd include guys like Chris Tanev (4.5$), Adam Larsson (4.0$), Artem Zub (4.6$), Brandon Carlo (4.1$)... those are good comparables. Between 4 and 5 is more than fair. Lindgren has yet to hit the 20 point mark, that'll limit how much he makes

 

[I Eat Crow]

I should clarify that I'm not adverse to bringing Lindgren back past his current deal. I would do something like $5 million for two years, three years the most to keep him while the Rangers have this current core of players.

I don't want to give him a long term contract for 5+ years and have his play decline 2 or 3 years into it.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I wouldn't say we should give up on him but he has really struggled to this point and it's fair to wonder how much he can improve.

The next time he has a good d partner for more than a couple weeks will be the first time. He's been saddled with our worst dmen since he got here.

 

[I Eat Crow]

The next time he has a good d partner for more than a couple weeks will be the first time. He's been saddled with our worst dmen since he got here.

I don't buy it. Mikkola isn't chopped liver.

He's young and can learn from mistakes, but I get and agree with what Rasp is saying. His mistakes are indicative of a fundamental misunderstanding of where he needs to be in certain situations. He isn't going to magically look better after just one offseason. This learning takes years. You could do worse for your bottom pairing, but it becomes a matter of how patient the powers that be are willing to be with him. I'd imagine that as a high pick that the team traded up for, that he'd have a bit more rope than Zac Jones for example.

 

[Machinehead]

As far as signing Lindgren, I'm all for it. Let's say it's around that $4.5 figure. We're weak on the left and he leaves a huge hole. Who are you getting instead that's saving us money at that price?

Maybe Jones or Robertson take over but they're on ELC's which gives us a nice wait-and-see window while we use their ELC savings to pay Lindgren.

As far as trading Lindgren for more of a need, that depends on what's coming back. LD is arguably the biggest need.

 

[Machinehead]

Also, don't make me tap the sign.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Also, don't make me tap the sign.

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Can’t both things be true?
Hank definitely declined but girardi lost a step and that also led to hanks decline.

 

[duhmetreE]

Also, don't make me tap the sign.

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[JimmyG89]

We have role players. We simply don't score enough. We need to do a better job of incorporating our role players and stars into one system. If we start playing a better system and Panarin just f***s off, then we'll cross that bridge when that happens, but it hasn't happened. He's basically done what he's been asked to do. Go out and play.

2nd highest xGA and 2nd lowest xGF. That series still went 7 games because Shesterkin posted the best 5v5 Sv% still in the playoffs.

They don't even need to be amazing at scoring 5v5, just average or slightly below, and have a system in place to get them where they need to go, especially in their own end.

The 5v5 scoring doesn't even need to get that much better, it's the defense.

 

[bobbop]

They are more of a Goodrow destination since they have cap space and could use a vet that’s won

Goodrow would certainly be a fit in Buffalo. He alone is not going to bring back a valuable young piece. Like Schneider and recognize his potential but on this team he is locked in for a long time as a third pair defenseman. Don’t tell me about. trading Trouba, it’s not happening.

 

[duhmetreE]

If Vancouver is serious about buying out Garland, it's a $839k hit the first 2 seasons... then a $1.8M hit for 4 seasons

IF they are really going through with it, tell them to eat $1M for 3 seasons and get a slight return instead. Makes more sense

 

[duhmetreE]

Goodrow would certainly be a fit in Buffalo. He alone is not going to bring back a valuable young piece. Like Schneider and recognize his potential but on this team he is locked in for a long time as a third pair defenseman. Don’t tell me about. trading Trouba, it’s not happening.

Goodrow for Peterka

Buffalo think about how strong your bottom6 will be... you dont need more scoring

 

[Machinehead]

2nd highest xGA and 2nd lowest xGF. That series still went 7 games because Shesterkin posted the best 5v5 Sv% still in the playoffs.

They don't even need to be amazing at scoring 5v5, just average or slightly below, and have a system in place to get them where they need to go, especially in their own end.

The 5v5 scoring doesn't even need to get that much better, it's the defense.

Our defensive metrics were decent over the course of the season. If we played offense and had the puck every now and then, it would be even better.

 

[Machinehead]

Can’t both things be true?
Hank definitely declined but girardi lost a step and that also led to hanks decline.

Even if both things are true, the idea is that Lindgren will decline and become a bad contract, and the name that always comes up is Girardi. He's nothing like Girardi at all.

 

[duhmetreE]

Our defensive metrics were decent over the course of the season. If we played offense and had the puck every now and then, it would be even better.

what do you mean? How can you forget the minute of possession along the boards/perimter only to turn it over on a cycle the wrong way with no shot attempts or scoring chances? That was our specialty.

That exemplifies our team not having a 'system' or 'structure' to generate offense.

It's also why I was 100% on the Sutter bandwagon. He addresses a lot, if not all of our 'weaknesses'.

 

[Profet]

Also, don't make me tap the sign.

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I'd argue that the team drifted away from Torts' defensive system and into that man on man BS that AV liked.

Having Girardi playing man on man defense was criminal.

 

[Machinehead]

what do you mean? How can you forget the minute of possession along the boards/perimter only to turn it over on a cycle the wrong way with no shot attempts or scoring chances? That was our specialty.

That exemplifies our team not having a 'system' or 'structure' to generate offense.

It's also why I was 100% on the Sutter bandwagon. He addresses a lot, if not all of our 'weaknesses'.

The 45-90 second possessions we have, where we end up doing nothing and we're simultaneously impressed/disappointed, is just how normal teams play and we wouldn't even notice them if we were good at offense.

 

[duhmetreE]

The 45-90 second possessions we have, where we end up doing nothing and we're simultaneously impressed/disappointed, is just how normal teams play and we wouldn't even notice them if we were good at offense.

I also forgot the alternate ending... with a defenseman throwing a muffin to the goalie with enough space to drive 3 zambonis in the middle of the ice.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Staal and Girardi also signed their last deals with us when they were 30, Lindgren is 25. The way he plays, having reservations about how long he'll hold up is normal but he's still plenty young

 

[duhmetreE]

We should put Lindgren on the 2nd or 3rd pair this season. Get a proper evaluation of him away from Fox. I do not think he's worth $5M per.

 

[Fitzy]

Staal and Girardi also signed their last deals with us when they were 30, Lindgren is 25. The way he plays, having reservations about how long he'll hold up is normal but he's still plenty young

The next 4x4 isn't the issue, it's the 5x5 that comes after that.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

We should put Lindgren on the 2nd or 3rd pair this season. Get a proper evaluation of him away from Fox. I do not think he's worth $5M per.

Hes not getting $5mm. Theres not a team in the league that will pay him that.