Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[effen]

The hive mind going in circles on trading Goodrow is nuts. They're running it back with a few Ryan Carpenter style signings.

They might trade Lindgren but they're not getting a top 15 pick for a guy who can't score. The Islanders are unique. Paid tons for a 4th line and Leo Komarov. Won't happen again.

 

[bobbop]

Buffalo seems like a “let’s make a deal” team as it relates to this imo

If Buffalo wants to make a trade, how about Schneider for Jack Quinn?

 

[2014nyr]

Whatever contract they give Lindgren after next year will be a mistake. He has finished the last 3 seasons with injuries to his head, ankle and shoulder. He’s a warrior but they can’t give him top 4 money with Jones/Robertson coming. Both guys have higher offensive upside too.

Also talk of trading Schneider is absurd. What do people want from a 21 year old defenseman? We deserve what we get as a fanbase being so impatient with these players development.

i get that argument for lindgren, and unfortunately i think he's likely to be a cap casualty no matter what, but personally i'd really like to keep him. will depend on him really, if he wants to max out we cant keep him, but if he wants to make it work to stay w/ fox / on this team, it will be worked out. but yes the injuries are an issue, cgy has had that w/ tanev. will say guys like him mean the world to a locker room, and it's no small thing to move them or let them walk when something could have been done. that's another part of my hesitation there.

as far as jones / robertson...i really like jones and hope the new coach is a guy who recognizes we could use a bit more zip back there. i hope he at the very least gets a long leash to make a lineup spot his. robertson tho...i thought he was getting healthbombed in hartford, no? he's obviously still young but hard to project him to the roster in the near future if he's not in an ahl top 6. having said that, that is a legit question, i don't know what his deal is. if he got hurt i missed anything about it. coulda sworn i saw he basically got passed over. i expect jones to def be an nhl dman, but if you're an org i don't think that either, at this point, qualify as guys you need to be making room for.

it's also not like you can't find guys if you put them in the right roles/systems. hell look at florida right now, their top 6 is like the island of misfit toys. montour was a journeyman who got going in the right direction w/ quenneville and now he looks like a norris winner...i had never heard of a gustav forsling...radko gudas has some good qualities but he's limited...and then of course marc staal who we didn't want in our rebuild lineup lining up w/ montour. ekblad is the only guy you'd "expect" to see on a conference finalist when you account for age and pedigree. so if you identify the right players it's obviously very possible to assemble a d core with cheaper spare parts. kinda cool looking at the top 6 of all 4 finalists tho...they're all very different.

 

[BBKers]

Robertson was injured for about 1,5 months. He was not stapled to the press box or benched

 

[NYRFANMANI]

This soft finesse roster won’t go anywhere. Can’t dangle and stick handle to wins

Where did you see dangling and stick handling? Lol

 

[The Gloaming]

Braden Schneider just finished his D+3 year in the NHL.

Where was Ryan McDonagh playing in his D+3 year?

Wisconsin.

Then he split his D+4 year between Hartford and the Rangers.

We have yet to see Schneider's D+4 year.

Way too early to give up on this kid. Most defensemen aren't even in the NHL yet at his age.

 

[Raspewtin]

Braden Schneider just finished his D+3 year in the NHL.

Where was Ryan McDonagh playing in his D+3 year?

Wisconsin.

Then he split his D+4 year between Hartford and the Rangers.

We have yet to see Schneider's D+4 year.

Way too early to give up on this kid. Most defensemen aren't even in the NHL yet at his age.

I wouldn't say we should give up on him but he has really struggled to this point and it's fair to wonder how much he can improve.

 

[Vitto79]

If Buffalo wants to make a trade, how about Schneider for Jack Quinn?

They are more of a Goodrow destination since they have cap space and could use a vet that’s won

 

[RangerBoy]

Dallas. Barclay Goodrow would be perfect for the Stars. They lose this series to Vegas and Jim Nill will look for more experience. Pete DeBoar coached Goodrow in Dallas. No state income tax. Dallas could fit Goodrow into their cap. The Stars have all of their key players under contract. I like Ty Dellandrea who is a group II this summer with no arbitration rights. Moving him in a Goodrow deal would save about $900,000 for Dallas.

Seattle. Yanni Gourde is a key player for them. Why not reunite him with his partner from TB? Ron Francis has the cap space. Another no state income tax state.

Detroit. The Yzerplan is entering the fifth season in Detroit. Derek Lalonde was an assistant in TB. He knows Goodrow. Steve Yzerman has the cap space. He added similar glue veteran players last summer in Copp and Chiarot.

Nashville. Goodrow seems like the perfect Barry Trotz player. Nashville has the cap space. Another no state income tax state. David Poile made those trades at the trading deadline but Nashville has too many big contracts to rebuild.

Goodrow has a 15 team no trade list. Most of the players do not want to play in Canada. High taxes. Too much pressure. Arizona is on the list. That is 8 teams right there.

These four teams would be fits for Goodrow.

 

[The Gloaming]

I wouldn't say we should give up on him but he has really struggled to this point and it's fair to wonder how much he can improve.

It's a huge jump from major junior to the NHL, especially for a defenseman. Let's see what he looks like under a coach with an actual system. One in which the forwards help and provide puck support down low for a breakout. We had none of that. You can't just send your 20 year old defenseman out there and tell him to go out and play. He's not Adam Fox. Our next coach will be so crucial for his and the other kids' development.

 

[RangerBoy]

Braden Schneider just finished his D+3 year in the NHL.

Where was Ryan McDonagh playing in his D+3 year?

Wisconsin.

Then he split his D+4 year between Hartford and the Rangers.

We have yet to see Schneider's D+4 year.

Way too early to give up on this kid. Most defensemen aren't even in the NHL yet at his age.

Too much impatience.

 

[Vitto79]

I may have fallen for a Facebook fake news article

Facebook is a horrible source

It’s just fan speculation . If he made a million less no one would say he’s a trade option the caps just tight

They probably should try and squeak in all the RFAs with bridge deals . Play Goodrow 3rd line wing with Othmaan and Chytil

 

[Raspewtin]

It's a huge jump from major junior to the NHL, especially for a defenseman. Let's see what he looks like under a coach with an actual system. One in which the forwards help and provide puck support down low for a breakout. We had none of that. You can't just send your 20 year old defenseman out there and tell him to go out and play. He's not Adam Fox. Our next coach will be so crucial for his and the other kids' development.

I think we're starting to expect too much of the next coach but that's just me.

 

[The Gloaming]

I think we're starting to expect too much of the next coach but that's just me.

Puck support and a coherent breakout is asking for too much? Maybe a nice Florida-style forecheck? I'm not asking for the Rangers to start skating like the Avs of last year.

 

[Vitto79]

Whatever contract they give Lindgren after next year will be a mistake. He has finished the last 3 seasons with injuries to his head, ankle and shoulder. He’s a warrior but they can’t give him top 4 money with Jones/Robertson coming. Both guys have higher offensive upside too.

Also talk of trading Schneider is absurd. What do people want from a 21 year old defenseman? We deserve what we get as a fanbase being so impatient with these players development.

Schneider is going to be a top 4 D on this team in like a year . His D partners have always been meh.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Facebook is a horrible source

It’s just fan speculation . If he made a million less no one would say he’s a trade option the caps just tight

They probably should try and squeak in all the RFAs with bridge deals . Play Goodrow 3rd line wing with Othmaan and Chytil

Laf - Zib - Kakko
Panarin - Chytil - X
Kreider - Trocheck - Vesey
Cuylle - Goodrow - Motte

No need to rush Othmann, sign a cheap 1 year deal on a speedy forechecking forward under the radar to fill X until he’s ready.

 

[Raspewtin]

Puck support and a coherent breakout is asking for too much? Maybe a nice Florida-style forecheck? I'm not asking for the Rangers to start skating like the Avs of last year.

It's not but the personnel is a significant part of the problem. This team is ungodly slow, like to play a certain way, and have probably a bottom 10 defense in puck moving. Fox himself rockets them out of among the worst. Also, coaches are almost all retreads for a reason, half of them have the same exact ideas and the other half only slightly modify it, or shout more. I really doubt a coach is going to make Schneider's hockey IQ go up and make Lindgren a good passer.

We will likely improve with a new coach I just don't think he'll be any sort of miracle worker. Also implementing a giant new system that fixes even half our problems is not realistic.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Dallas. Barclay Goodrow would be perfect for the Stars. They lose this series to Vegas and Jim Nill will look for more experience. Pete DeBoar coached Goodrow in Dallas. No state income tax. Dallas could fit Goodrow into their cap. The Stars have all of their key players under contract. I like Ty Dellandrea who is a group II this summer with no arbitration rights. Moving him in a Goodrow deal would save about $900,000 for Dallas.

Seattle. Yanni Gourde is a key player for them. Why not reunite him with his partner from TB? Ron Francis has the cap space. Another no state income tax state.

Detroit. The Yzerplan is entering the fifth season in Detroit. Derek Lalonde was an assistant in TB. He knows Goodrow. Steve Yzerman has the cap space. He added similar glue veteran players last summer in Copp and Chiarot.

Nashville. Goodrow seems like the perfect Barry Trotz player. Nashville has the cap space. Another no state income tax state. David Poile made those trades at the trading deadline but Nashville has too many big contracts to rebuild.

Goodrow has a 15 team no trade list. Most of the players do not want to play in Canada. High taxes. Too much pressure. Arizona is on the list. That is 8 teams right there.

These four teams would be fits for Goodrow.

Add Buffalo and Columbus to that list and that’s 10. It gives Goodrow and his agent a 5 team cushion to pick spots he probably doesn’t want to go to.

I agree on Dallas and Detroit as good fits. I think Nashville is going in the other direction. Buffalo, Ottawa, Seattle and Detroit are teams on the rise that could use a veteran presence and may value his experience.

 

[Vitto79]

Laf - Zib - Kakko
Panarin - Chytil - X
Kreider - Trocheck - Vesey
Cuylle - Goodrow - Motte

No need to rush Othmann, sign a cheap 1 year deal on a speedy forechecking forward under the radar to fill X until he’s ready.

I’m forcing Laf to RW. A new younger coach does that move.

Sure no need to rush Othmaan but he’s likely too good not to play a bunch in the nhl too. He’s a pain to play against which means he’s a good 3rd line option already

I hope Vesey is looked at as the 12/13 guy
Cuylee and resign Motte
Need a cheap faceoff 4th line C imo
Not a lot of cap space means little changes

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I’m forcing Laf to RW. A new younger coach does that move.

Sure no need to rush Othmaan but he’s likely too good not to play a bunch in the nhl too. He’s a pain to play against which means he’s a good 3rd line option already

I hope Vesey is looked at as the 12/13 guy
Cuylee and resign Motte
Need a cheap faceoff 4th line C imo
Not a lot of cap space means little changes

Some other posters brought up Panarin to RW. I kind of like that idea better because it may force Panarin to carry the puck down low or put the puck towards the net. Vesey is probably looked at as a top 9 fit on a 3rd line checking role. He’s fine there.

Othmann has top 6 potential, he’s better off playing 1st line minutes in HFD and forcing his way onto the roster than being buried in a checking role in the NHL

 

[The Gloaming]

It's not but the personnel is a significant part of the problem. This team is ungodly slow, like to play a certain way, and have probably a bottom 10 defense in puck moving. Fox himself rockets them out of among the worst. Also, coaches are almost all retreads for a reason, half of them have the same exact ideas and the other half only slightly modify it, or shout more. I really doubt a coach is going to make Schneider's hockey IQ go up and make Lindgren a good passer.

We will likely improve with a new coach I just don't think he'll be any sort of miracle worker. Also implementing a giant new system that fixes even half our problems is not realistic.

A good system will make players look better. These guys are in the NHL, they can make a fricken pass. But someone has to be open and another guy has to be driving the lane and opening up space. Lindy can make a good first pass when it's there. The problem was that it was never there this year. Everyone just chilling in the NZ, standing still with the opposition covering them.

Schneider had a rush in the Devils series where he looked like Bobby Orr flying up the ice. He's not slow. Miller can fly but was barely doing it, probably because again, no puck support and no created space to do so.

I think we have a bottom 10 defense in puck moving because Gallant had no system.

Unless you're going to tell me that Florida with Marc Staal and Radko Gudas in their top 4 somehow have more skill than we do, and that it's not the forwards and system making them look better and masking their problems. Florida's forwards skate hard and get open, create space for each other and that allows the defense to effectively move the puck to them.

 

[savebyrichter94]

A good system will make players look better. These guys are in the NHL, they can make a fricken pass. But someone has to be open and another guy has to be driving the lane and opening up space. Lindy can make a good first pass when it's there. The problem was that it was never there this year. Everyone just chilling in the NZ, standing still with the opposition covering them.

Schneider had a rush in the Devils series where he looked like Bobby Orr flying up the ice. He's not slow. Miller can fly but was barely doing it, probably because again, no puck support and no created space to do so.

I think we have a bottom 10 defense in puck moving because Gallant had no system.

Unless you're going to tell me that Florida with Marc Staal and Radko Gudas in their top 4 somehow have more skill than we do, and that it's not the forwards and system making them look better and masking their problems. Florida's forwards skate hard and get open, create space for each other and that allows the defense to effectively move the puck to them.

Nobody swings low in the zone especially the centers, no close support to initiate effective breakouts

 

[bernmeister]

Girardi was fine till he was 30, Lindgren is 24..So yea, we can talk about trading Lindgren in 6 more years, not when he is playing in his prime

Sorry but your logic just makes zero sense “trade a guy now because he plays a heavy and hard game, while in his prime, before he gets too worn down in half a decade”

first par is not accurate:
Girardi was fine til Torts instituted his every skater, esp every D, as a shot blocker, is another G.
He was a shell WAY before 30.

par 2 is wrong
bern's logic is correct here
you blindly ignore it and see what you want b'c this is a guy who has earned our love

but esp since we do not have so much surplus assets, particularly younger players, we need to deal/consider dealing assets that return desired profit of great picks = high upside prospects + cap space, and/or younger players which also slow pressure on cap.
Fact that guys like Lindy/Shesty are mid 30s, not 30s, is not excuse to reject considering guys 5-ish years younger IF IF IF they are quality assets being returned.

Stop repeating failure.
Build on youth

 

[bernmeister]

The hive mind going in circles on trading Goodrow is nuts. They're running it back with a few Ryan Carpenter style signings.

They might trade Lindgren but they're not getting a top 15 pick for a guy who can't score. The Islanders are unique. Paid tons for a 4th line and Leo Komarov. Won't happen again.

not a given he doesn't get 15 or just under, esp if NY adds
OR
other view is he def gets a 1st + additional pick(s)

 

[Machinehead]

The Lindgren and Girardi comparison because they both get hit with pucks is like comparing a fire truck and a strawberry because they're both red.